Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 12

Bastard Russians escaping and giving up Ukrainian soil.

Germans have been a nuisance in Europe but the Russians have been a constant pestilent for over 100 years!

Europe needs to obliterate Russia.

1. Who is going to make Russians "escape"?
2. Who and how is going to "obliterate" Russia?

Thousands deserting.


Germans haven't quite learnt to behave in terms of trying to dominate neighbours however they have redeemed features like the rule of law and are possible to control and are unlikely to come out of the current crisis in a strong position.

r*SSia though has been a problem for 400 years and needs putting in a position where they are unable to form meaningful alliances with rising authoritarian states outside Europe.

Don't take it personally. We're talking about countries and the way governments behave, not people.

Looking at the broader picture, there. have been a number that d threats to safety and stability in Europe over the years; the one that started first in modern times and which has persisted longest is r*SSia. This threat must be rendered into a situation where it is no longer a threat and unable to become one again.

Maybe that isn't possible?

I recently watched a history doku/whatever where the thesis was put up that the rift in Europe, the millennia of war and strife in Europe, begun with the battle of the Teutoburger Forest in the year 9. Where the new border of the Roman Empire was put back along the Rhine...which split Europe forever into the romanic and germanic peoples.
That was the beginning and the EU was the first try to undo that split, to heal that age old rift....more or less successful but no guarantee for a peaceful future!

Interesting take on that, IMHO....

We have to figure out what is possible. It won't be easy however the consequences of not doing so are not in the interest of any western country.


Basically centuries of 'Game of Thrones'.


An interesting idea however essentially another empire.

...especially because that would mean that Russia would need to become part of the EU to really achieve lasting peace.

Only with all parts together something new could worked out, not with one such big and important part left out forever !

Even as I can hardly imagine how the EU would look like afterwards, that is....well it's all only speculation anyhow.

An utterly dreadful idea. r*SSia, most of which is outside Europe, having a say in the way other countries run their affairs and a veto on decisions continent-wide would be a nightmare.

And their human rights record is among the worst in the world.


Big and important part of what?

Good question....old question actually....

Just mentioned that because the end of the wars in Europe might not be achievable if the reason for it goes so deep....far deeper than governments can change actually.

(If that historians theory holds any true at all that is)

Certainly the problem will still be there if r*SSia remains in its present form.

According to Nuclear Doctrine of Russia, you will have no ANY further problems if Russia cease to exist in its present form.

Returned here to look if there is any signs of IQ increase, but none...

It is only possible if Russia ceases to exist in its historic form which is rather unlikely. However, if it happens there is no need to include them in the EU membership.
Do you understand?
If they are as they are membership in the EU doesn't help nobody except maybe Germany believes that will be dangerous for them - which I doubt.
If Russia changes there won't be a need for its membership in the EU. They could join or not but it wouldn't make much difference over to the situation in Europe. Is that clear now?

Normal orc BS. Nobody is afraid of you.


It would be a dreadful idea. They must be neutralised.


As mud. A long term answer to the problem of their 'federation' must be achieved.

It is what I said.

There is a case to be made that such changes had been and could be again rather fragile, instable things....depending on personalties and moods, as the last decades in Moscow have shown.

Something a membership in such a union would rather help to solidify....with laws and treaties and commitments and dependencies other strings and bonds in place regardless of the current leadership.

Worthy a thought, no?



....any ideas?

This is a very faking important thread, we have thread about shoes, finally something different, but it is not as popular as this asswipe thread. Who cares about aid to Ukraine, has Ukraine done anything to help Poland to help Itself at the same time? No, It hasn't , quite on the contrary.

It's not necessary. The fearless a$$hole is as mortal as the last coward.

But unfortunately, a sane person is just as mortal as a fearless a$$hole, and there is no means of separating the two in the kill zone.

Personally no, having the luxury of not having to deal with them. I'm sure the free world's strategists have gamed every possible outcome and done so many times over the decades and are now doing it with Quantum AI.

It will probably implode; sponsoring the various thugs and warlords who control parts of their 'federation' would be a good bet. r*SSia is starting to implode already. When they start making threats, you know they're terrified of their current plight.

Kim really enjoy



And spot Biden. He also enjoy. And Macron runs around. I have no words



Brate these are the last times

and you my brotherly Poles wants to die in Ukraine?

I want russian invaders and any who help them to die in Ukraine.

EU and NATO invaded Ukraine with maiden. Later came Russia.

So you say you want EU, NATO countries and Russia to die?

You want Poland to die?

Lokk is a fantasy land. In reality, it won't work unless Moscow is going to suffer a major loss. Germany had to lose big time in two major wars before they changed and not by their own devices, they were forced to do it.
Germany is not like Russia, Germans like to be the best or the first more in no matter what competition. When the fad was anti-Semitic and racist they became the world champions in that, now there is liberal democracy and a welfare state they become (until recently) the world champions again.
So the Allied powers changed your programming and there you are marching like plush toys on Duracell batteries.
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To think that Russia will succumb to the EU's liberal democracy ways without losing major wars completely is pure fantasy and wishful thinking.
The only reason Germans enjoy that thought is because it would bring you a market and ores suppliers. That is all there is.
Russia is a different civilization than Europe even more than you think and they are proud of it;

@Ironside


I'd suggest that Russia would benefit all of Europe, most of all its' direct neighbours who would not be forced to live in fear and who could direct their defence spending to other areas.

But as you say, it is just not realistic at this point in time.

Germany is in crap. Mother of the crap.

You people even don`t wish Biden to help you. God forbid. Better let Russia urinate you. But if Biden help you, well, I don`t know what to tell you. Truly, mother of the crap.

Why then are you not in Ukraine fighting Russia?

Why is Poland not in Ukraine fighting Russia?

Why are the UK, France, and Germany not in Ukraine fighting Russia?

600,000 Ukrainians tried because they were not afraid and look what happened to them...Would you like to be one of them?

Debating morons is so tiring...

Velund, I will remember that brilliant line...

@Velund

Brate, you are here? They said you escaped from the pussy talks.

I detect that you are losing patience with Nazitus, too...

These idiots have no shame and are hell-bent on repeating their past crimes against Russians. This time they will not get as close to Moscow as in 1941.

In their situation I would suggest they just let Russian penis fall on them and in them. One can survive penis. But crap. Nobody survives mother of the crap situation.