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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 12



Korvinus
20 Jul 2024  #1021

would recognize that this symbolizes a Ukrainian defeat

LOL , I know such as you can't wait to see Ukraine defeated, but hold your horses Orc, we're not there yet. Actually, we're very far from there.

Crow
20 Jul 2024  #1022

Serbian president Vucic supposedly told Zelenski `Why did you fu*ked up Serbians of Ukraine?`



Novichok
20 Jul 2024  #1023

I know such as you can't wait to see Ukraine defeated,

No.

We just want you to have the pleasure of beating the crap out of Russkies. We like sharing...

Bratwurst Boy
20 Jul 2024  #1024

....I think lots will depend on the chemistry between Zelensky and Trump. I estimate Trump as a guts-and heart-guy....rather than a coldblooded head-guy! Making decisions after feelings and going with instinct rather than rational "global" reasons. So...if Zelensky is able to bond with Trump he could get his support!

Novichok
20 Jul 2024  #1025

Anyways, as for Trump saying that he will end the war in Ukraine

Let me translate...

Trump said he would end our involvement in the war and promised to send Z a "Wish you well" card. Once Z reads it, the war will be over before the sun goes down.

The other way to end this war is by sending a US special ops team to Osama Zhole.

mafketis
20 Jul 2024  #1026

....I think lots will depend on the chemistry between Zelensky and Trump.

There is no relationship between Trump's campaign rhetoric and what he does in office.

There won't be any drastic turn in US policy... more a slight tweek.

Zelenskyy has shown he understands Trump's need for praise and is willing to do slobber over him to get what he needs while putain wants people to slobber over him (and Trump won't do that).

Bratwurst Boy
20 Jul 2024  #1027

Zelenskyy has shown he understands Trump

Frankly, I hope he does....he needs to do it....if he does it right that could save Ukraine!

On the other hand, I agree totally...I don't see Putin "slobbering" Trump....being rather used to be the one "slobbered" by the foreign high and mighty....but something Trump will never do....interesting times ahead! :)

Imagine these two enormous egos butting heads instead of slobbering....

Novichok
20 Jul 2024  #1028

There won't be any drastic turn in US policy... more a slight tweek.

...because US "opposition" parties are actually friends united in opposition to the rest of us.

cms neuf
20 Jul 2024  #1029

I dont understand the assumption that Ukraine will do whatever some moron like Trump instructs them to do.

These days the US is rarely able to enforce its preferred outcomes. Gaza proves that.

If North Nigeria wants bits of other countries they must be prepared for a long lasting conflict.

The rest of the developed world will support Ukraine while the US fights its own moron v moron battles

Bobko
20 Jul 2024  #1030

I dont understand the assumption that Ukraine will do whatever some moron like Trump instructs them to do

What exactly do you want Ukraine to do without American aid?

To resource last year's failed offensive, Europe largely drained its own stocks of weapons. Some countries did it in exchange for American promises to make up for those transfers, by supplying new equipment in the future. Others did it without waiting for assurances regarding replacements.

So much equipment was transferred to Ukraine, that it's military quickly became larger than any NATO army, with the exception of Turkey and the United States.

More tanks than France, Britain, and Germany combined. More artillery systems than exist in all of Europe. More armored combat vehicles than exist on the balance of any European army. More MANPADS, more ATGMS, and so on and so forth. The only area where Ukraine is still behind is aircraft. However, 100+ F-16s have already been committed.

America chipped into the effort through drawdowns on their demobilized stocks, but didn't leave itself bare like many European states did. In fact, when the topic of transferring something to Ukraine from active inventories would come up - America always decided against it.

It will take years for Europe to build back up what they gifted to Ukraine. Without American aid, there is simply not a whole lot Europe can provide in 2025-2027.

Zelensky can ignore Trump, but only for so long. Sooner or later, without sufficient supplies, Ukraine will have to transition to trading men for time (some argue they are already in this state).

Novichok
20 Jul 2024  #1031

I dont understand the assumption that Ukraine will do whatever some moron like Trump instructs them to do.

I don't understand morons who assume that Trump has to do anything to end this war.
Just like with alcoholism that can be "cured" by doing nothing, this war will end when the US does absolutely nothing...
The rest of the developed world will support Ukraine

Please do!!!! I beg you!!!!

Later, you will be able to write books and make movies about the fallen heroes. We don't like "fallen heroes". We like our heroes to work as cops and firemen.

BTW, I wrote "firemen", not firepersons, deliberately after this Secret Service bullshlt a week ago.

Novichok
20 Jul 2024  #1032

Zelensky can ignore Trump, but only for so long.

The question is if Trump will be able to ignore the US MICC.

When one of his sons gets shot, US supplies will magically start flowing again.

Never underestimate the swamp. Last Saturday was a reminder...

cms neuf
20 Jul 2024  #1033

It will indeed take years to replace European stocks, but those years have already started.

North Nigeria has no way forward in this war, nothing they have tried will enable them to conquer Ukraine.

It is an American fantasy that moron Trump will tell the world what to do and hold us over a barrel

Novichok
20 Jul 2024  #1034

nothing they have tried will enable them to conquer Ukraine.

Russia doesn't want Ukraine. It wants CDL. Check. Done.
It also wants Ukraine out of NATO. Check. Done.

If you think that the US will agree to Ukraine in NATO while Russia is talking nukes and bombing U daily, you are a bigger moron than your wife thinks.

Crow
20 Jul 2024  #1035

Serbian anti-material rifle >

Serbian engineers perfected cutting edge high tech anti-material rifle > World experts agree this to be best heavy weapon at the moment > All world powers wants it and, considering its military neutrality Serbia bringing law that weapon must be in equal number exported to all world powers or to non of them.

Some of this on youtube >

Unveiling the SARAC 99: The Ultimate Anti-Material Weapon



Spot also this >



Bratwurst Boy
20 Jul 2024  #1036

It also wants Ukraine out of NATO. Check. Done.

I thought about that one....for once Ukraine was out of NATO as Russia invaded....so becoming a member of NATO and customer of it's famous Article 5 might be part of a deal for Russia to get to keep the conquered territory....with a new hard, cold border between Russia and the rest of Ukraine in NATO.

Frankly I doubt Russia will get ALL it wants, neither will Ukraine. A peace treaty will be about some wins for Russia but it NEEDS also some reassurance for Ukraine to nod to it, and just a promise or Putin's signature on some piece of paper won't do it, will never do it again!

So...a smaller Ukraine in NATO, that's my end-guess...

Korvinus
20 Jul 2024  #1037

Ukrainian army is growing stronger:
pap.pl/aktualnosci/minister-obrony-ukrainy-wzywamy-naszych-obywateli-w-europie-do-wstapienia-do-legionu

Do you want to join? Poland covers the cost of training, weapons and equipment. I seriously consider it. I'd like to kill a lot of Russkies before I die.

Novichok
20 Jul 2024  #1038

So...a smaller Ukraine in NATO, that's my end-guess...

No way. Think Florida in the Warsaw Pact.

Crow
20 Jul 2024  #1039

This Zastava M93 Black Arrow: Serbia's .50 Cal Anti-Materiel Rifle is for regular USA commercial market.



Novichok
20 Jul 2024  #1040

I seriously consider it. I'd like to kill a lot of Russkies before I die.

You just made Katyn look less bad.

I wasn't there but if those Polish officers were as stupid and verbose as you are, it's hard to blame the NKVD.

Killing them was the only logical thing to do from the Soviet POV.

Alien
20 Jul 2024  #1041

Zastava

Zastava used to build cars under an Italian license, now, as I see, it builds rifles under a French license.

Crow
20 Jul 2024  #1042

They produce everything in Zastava. Its a gargantuan factory.

Some suggest production of auto-gun with Ai capable to separate human from animal heat, kind of Gatling, for automatic border protection.

Crow
20 Jul 2024  #1043

This is M93 30 mm automatic grenade launcher produced by Zastava

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Next is auto-gun heavy turret, essentially autonomous sentry unit, heat vision, with high level voice warning system on various languages for those who crossing border illegally or approaching protected object

mafketis
20 Jul 2024  #1044

Locals in Mariupol delivered watermelons to russian soldiers in gratitude with a note: "Take it, boys! Thank you for "protecting" us"

only problem is they were poisoned.... 12 dead russian soldiers (so far) and a few in the hospital....

they didn't have to go to Ukraine, they went to hurt and/or kill Ukrainians so I'm glad they're dead.

x.com/TVPWorld_com/status/1814646448526414010

Alien
20 Jul 2024  #1045

12 dead russian soldiers (so far) and a few in the hospital....

Any method is good. 12 fewer occupiers.

Bratwurst Boy
20 Jul 2024  #1046

I wonder how the Russians will react?

During the bad old times the civilians got punished for stuff like that....

mafketis
20 Jul 2024  #1047

I wonder how the Russians will react?

You think russians care about dead soldiers? Their own families don't care... beyond getting a payout... it's not a culture that values human life.

Bratwurst Boy
20 Jul 2024  #1048

Well...that was par of the course for occupied territory....to keep the control and the resistance in check....you can't get the culprits but you can get the innocent civilians to show them all who is boss!

Miloslaw
20 Jul 2024  #1049

This video is 22 minutes long which may be outside of the attention span of some of the members of this forum.... but for those of you that have a longer attention span than a beetle, please watch and post your thoughts afterwards.



johnny reb
20 Jul 2024  #1050

post your thoughts afterwards.

I only got through the first ten seconds and heard that dreadful British accent and said, ENOUGH !
Now if you really want an interesting read on Poland, give this one a try.
Paulina can now train and go fight in Ukraine instead of just talking about how she is equal to a man. 🙄

Details of Poland's 'Ukrainian Legion' program

msn.com/en-us/news/world/details-of-poland-s-ukrainian-legion-program/ar-BB1qiAX0?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=73cd05663ae6403591813789213b8ef2&ei=26


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