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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 12



gumishu
11 Jun 2024  #91

adding that China is a neighbor that needs to be subjugated...

heh that's funny - Russians just gained so much trust in China, haven't they

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jun 2024  #92

My ten year rule is proven right again

Definitely a good and true rule!

It should be part of the basic law in every democratic country....a limited time in power!

Novichok
11 Jun 2024  #93

It should be part of the basic law in every democratic country.

All you have to do is have a referendum. Simple. So what's the problem?

gumishu
11 Jun 2024  #94

All you have to do is have a referendum.

I never heard of a single nation-wide referendum in Germany to be honest after the WW2

Novichok
11 Jun 2024  #95

You mean to tell me that Germany is not a democracy? I am shocked...

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jun 2024  #96

Nobody's perfect!

At least we have the chance to show our betters what we think of them....now and then....like last Sunday.....and nobody falls out of a window because of that.

That is to be appreciated, believe me!

Ironside
11 Jun 2024  #97

Definitely a good and true rule!

on the other hand, there is a monarchy.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jun 2024  #98

....yeah....rulership shouldn't resemble a lottery for the people....gambling if they get a good one, or not!

gumishu
11 Jun 2024  #99

You mean to tell me that Germany is not a democracy?

I have a theory about Germans: they always do as they are told by the authorities a never ask questions - until **** hits the fan - look at the German geopolital/economic strategy of relying on Russian fossil fuels (gas and oil) - the rulers decided it's good for the nation and nobody asked questions - until Russia invaded Ukraine, then shut off NordStreams, them somebody blew up NordStreams - this ties in with their decision to phase out nuclear powerplants - it worked out reasonably well til Russian gas kept pouring in - now they need to import electricity from France when a day is bleak and there's little wind - but I never heard asking questions in Germany about the soundness of the strategy

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jun 2024  #100

but I never heard asking questions in Germany about the soundness of the strategy

You never read surveys and polls asking Germans?

Well, then you would know....a majority was and is against the phasing out of our nuclear powerplants....even to power them on again.

spiegel.de/wirtschaft/atomausstieg-mehrheit-der-deutschen-haelt-entscheidung-fuer-falsch-a-159b483a-ec16-47b2-ae10-a6c1ab687ff7

There is also a clear majority PRO stricter immigration policy....less rights of asylum....to stop feeding them the same social support like german longtime taxpayer....

merkur.de/politik/ampel-regierung-scholz-obergrenze-nachrichten-fluechtlinge-anzahl-asyl-gipfel-umfrage-zr-92871563.html

There even is a clear majority for our official media to stop using their infamous woke gender speech...

infratest-dimap.de/umfragen-analysen/bundesweit/umfragen/aktuell/weiter-vorbehalte-gegen-gendergerechte-sprache/

It's just that these opinions are ignored from the top, either not even acknowledged or reasoned against with lotsa law stuff or climate or anti-discrimination, human rights and such.

That brings you to the actual rising successes for our rightist opposition parties! *shrugs*

gumishu
11 Jun 2024  #101

for our rightist opposition parties

I thought there is only one of them (AfD) - are there more?

You never read surveys and polls asking Germans?

no, I don't - my German is not fit for the purpose, sorry - I know some basic German and that's it (sometimes it is enough to understand an overheard conversation but complex matters are mostly beyond my reach)

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jun 2024  #102

Just saying....the Germans are the same quarreling people with differing opinions as everybody else...

To stereotype them as unified bloc which just waits for its orders is just not realistic, you know?

gumishu
11 Jun 2024  #103

spiegel.de/wirtschaft/atomausstieg-mehrheit-der-deutschen-haelt-entscheidung-fuer-falsch-a-159b483a-ec16-47b2-ae10-a6c1ab687ff7

the article is quite recent (2024) - maybe I'm wrong but to me it looks like Germans are against phasing out of nuclear power only now (probably because energy prices have risen) - I haven't heard about social movements, oppostion parties etc, in Germany protesting it when it was being decided upon - but it is from a perspective of a Polish person with very little interest in German internet and no access to other German media - so feel free to correct me

To stereotype them as unified bloc which just waits for its orders is just not realistic, you know?

well, yeah I can be accused of that, can't I - and yeah it's probably at least a little unrealistic

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jun 2024  #104

Merkels decision was founded in another "Zeitgeist"....she followed the Greens even as she was actually the leader of the conservative CDU (the same with the refugee invasion 2015).

That means she made these decisions with full support of the parliament and the media. There was no longer a real opposition.The usual fights and exchanges of arguments and having choices as usual between the conservatives and leftists and greens was not working anymore! Disagreeing voices had no way to be heard!

Now we are all regretting these decisions and this green-leftist-woke age is fading.

And yes, Putin starting the war against Ukraine, the end of the cheap gas from the East, the base for alot of our industry, changed also everything in Germany! The aftershocks will be felt here for a long time to come!

Crow
11 Jun 2024  #105

People, you heard Vucic. Man who knows. We are all to be thankful to God if sh*t does not hit the fan in three months.

Have your prepper supplies ready.

Miloslaw
11 Jun 2024  #106

This is quite a long video at 24 minutes, but if you are interested, explains why Russia will not succeed in Ukraine and will actually be very much weakened when this war ends.



gumishu
11 Jun 2024  #107

Disagreeing voices had no way to be heard!

this would have been unheard of back in the day in Poland (2011-12) - people were vigorously debating politics on the internet back then in Poland - each main new news portal allowed to comment their articles and critics of the government were very active (this is in part why PiS gained power in 2015) - this is not so much the case as the media outlets (most of mainstream media outlets oppose PiS) "learned their lessons" and don't allow commenting under their articles anymore (people not only shared opinions but more importantly shared news which mainstream media tried to hush/ignore)

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jun 2024  #108

this would have been unheard of back in the day in Poland

...in today's Germany neither!

Merkel could act like this because Germany had a long good run! The country looked great, most people had it good, we even won the football world championship! And hence they didn't care so much about the shenanigans from the top, they trusted the gov to keep Germany on that good way, even if some decisions did look questionable...

Well...now....that all has been turned on it's head! Not many trust our gov anymore with anything...

gumishu
11 Jun 2024  #109

that corroborates my initial statement here that Germans usually trust their authorities untill **** hits the fan - and it also corroborates my belief that for at least two last decades Germany (your leadership)have been acting very much like it was "Germany first" even if it was a taboo statement in the public discourse - yeah I'm biased and even I can see my bias but I just had to vent

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jun 2024  #110

that Germans usually trust their authorities untill **** hits the fan

Erm....and that is a special german behaviour? A stereotype???

have been acting very much like it was "Germany first"

If so it would had spared us the refugee crisis in 2015....and our powerplants would still be up!

gumishu
11 Jun 2024  #111

A stereotype???

not a stereotype only my personal observation

pawian
11 Jun 2024  #112

yeah I'm biased and even I can see my bias but I just had to vent

Like every rightist from PiS or nationalist from Konfederacja. Nothing new.

Yaaaawn......... Gumi, it is your fault. hahahaha

Goodnight.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jun 2024  #113

not a stereotype only my personal observation

What observation exactly?

That a gov has better chances to be re-elected if things are perceived as running well?

Okay....have to leave it here too....'night all! :)

gumishu
11 Jun 2024  #114

That a gov has better chances to be re-elected if things are perceived as running well?

an observation that Germans (I repeat myself) trust their leadership until **** hits the fan - if you ask me in Poland there is a much different mentality these days (probably because of the communism and later political divisions among the populace fuelled among others by corruption even at the top of governments - so yeah Poles don't trust their governments since long ago

Novichok
12 Jun 2024  #115

so yeah Poles don't trust their governments since long ago

That's the first step to democracy.

The second step is being able to overrule the government - immediately and on specific subjects like immigration.

If you are not legally allowed to do it you are a dictatorship, not a democracy. Who you elect means very little or nothing. They are not contractually obligated to vote later as they promised, they lie, change their minds, and there is nothing you can do about it.

We are fvcked just as badly...

Novichok
12 Jun 2024  #116

Ukrainian troops selling fuel on black market - media
In some cases, up to 50% of gasoline allocated by Kiev ends up in private hands, Strana.ua has reported


It's because "private hands" have a better use for it than to run tanks that will be blown up anyway....

Nearly $500 million given to Kiev for the construction of defensive fortifications to repel Russia's advance has been embezzled or stolen, media reported on Sunday, citing Mikhail Bondar, a member of the Ukrainian parliament.

I guess the guys in Ukraine didn't know that "freedom and democracy" doesn't include freedom to steal from US taxpayers...

Novichok
12 Jun 2024  #117

Russian Navy ships train for long-range strikes en route to Cuba
The Northern Fleet mission included drills in the Atlantic Ocean, the Ministry of Defense reports


Oh, fvck...the FSB must have read my posts where I was wondering how the US would react if Russia deployed some nasty shlit in Cuba or Mexico...in return for the pleasure of having NATO as a neighbor...

I am soooo sorry...I didn't know Russians could read my lame English.

cms neuf
12 Jun 2024  #118

The US has already said they are relaxed about it - those crappy ships are unarmed and North Nigeria already rang them to ask permission

Would of course be unfortunate if some Ukrainian special operation sunk them in harbor when the sailors were ripped off their tits in Cuban brothels

Tacitus
12 Jun 2024  #119

Rheinmetall to launch production of Lynx IFVs in Ukraine

mil.in.ua/en/news/rheinmetall-to-launch-production-of-lynx-ifvs-in-ukraine/#google_vignette

Who knows, maybe the KF51 Panther will follow later.

Rheinmetall's bold expansionist strategy seems to be paying off. Just a few days ago they opened a maintenance hub for the Marder in Ukraine.

Novichok
12 Jun 2024  #120

After each post of yours, I feel warmer and warmer about the Red Army and the fun they had with your women...

I am actually surprised that they didn't execute every German who visited the USSR without a visa...You know that they broke the law...Right?

If just being Jewish was a capital offense to the German barbarians, being an illegal alien in the USSR was a lot worse...


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