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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 20



cms neuf
8 Apr 2025  #1741

What is a crime in North Nigeria is completely arbitrary and decided by Putler or the local authorities if they decide they don't like you.

Always been like that - under communism many idealistic westerners were kidnapped and murdered after going to live in the UNNR

Novichok
8 Apr 2025  #1742

What is a crime in North Nigeria is completely arbitrary and decided by Putler

Fvck you, you stupid Polish azzhole...

That's for "Putler", you piece of shlt....Bobko and Velund are too nice for shltheads like you. I am not.

cms neuf
8 Apr 2025  #1743

Using that language about Putler in NN would get you imprisoned and possibly killed, whatever your passport.

mafketis
8 Apr 2025  #1744

You'd be fine with either - so long as you do not commit crimes.

Now for the Realpolitik version:

russia pretty openly occasionally imprisons Americans so they have a hostage fund to get valuable assets out of western prisons. this is spoken of openly in russian state media.

As for committing crimes, that's entirely up to the discretion of state authorities and they can always find a reason to keep you in jail.

And nb, they don't care about ideas like 'good will' or 'giving a foreigner the benefit of a doubt' at all. Last year an American youtuber resident in Beijing* was learning russian for 6 months or so before a visit and he was jailed for taking a picture of a bridge (and leaving his passport in his hotel).
How crappy does a country have to be for China to be more appealing?

russia does not care about its international image at all (if anything it wants to discourage foreigners).

Polish passport: They won't like you but you won't be a target (and everyone will expect you to be able to understand russian and supicious if you don't).

US passport: They won't like you and you could easily be a target of political blackmail and 'loving' russia will count for nothing at all

*youtube.com/watch?v=QPU70LcbIGc

bonus: dual national (US/russian) wanted to visit ailing grandmother.... gets sentenced to 12 years in jail because a group she donated money to is verboten in russia...

youtube.com/watch?v=itpVdA_Nsc4

amiga500
8 Apr 2025  #1745

What government did he set policy for again?

Just cause you think you're on the side of saintly halos doesn't make you any less of a scumbag propagandist.

mafketis
8 Apr 2025  #1746

Just cause you think

That's the thing.... I do think, I don't just respond with pre-baked responses that come from RT

Do I like/admire Bandera? No. He was pretty bad.

Should he be set alongside Stalin or Hitler? No. He had no political power (and played no active role in the worst crimes carried out in his name).

Lots of countries revere figures that others hate. Should this determine policy? Depends.... in the case of Ukraine and Bandera... not really because russia is the real enemy and Poland can't afford to forget that or delude itself that it can play russia and the west against each other.

There just aren't a lot of figures for modern Ukrainians to look to when it comes to questions of Ukrainian independence and sovereignty.

nb russia hates Bandera not because of any crimes carried out in his name but because he didn't support Ukraine being subservient to moscow. It's worth remembering that.

Bobko
8 Apr 2025  #1747

There just aren't a lot of figures for modern Ukrainians to look to when it comes to questions of Ukrainian independence and sovereignty.

Curious that.

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Some historic news today. The United States has announced that it will withdraw all military personnel and equipment from the Polish city of Rzeszów.

Source: europeafrica.army.mil/ArticleViewPressRelease/Article/4147621/press-release-usareur-af-repositions-troops-in-poland/

Bobko
8 Apr 2025  #1748

Another interesting piece of news, is that the only Ukrainian in the US Congress is calling on Ukraine to cede land to Russia and oust Zelensky.

Must cause substantial cognitive dissonance for foreigners whose entire sense of being is wrapped up in supporting Ukraine.

Source: telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/04/07/victoria-spartz-interview-republican-ukraine-war/


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Ironside
8 Apr 2025  #1749

There just aren't a lot of figures for modern Ukrainians to look to when it comes to questions of Ukrainian independence and sovereignty.

Here's what I find funny: I actually have some expectations when it comes to you.
I expected you to have some modicum of sense in your arguments.
I see you are ready to dish out some old excuses without hesitation.
Here is my response to it - So what, it doesn't make it right or wise.
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is that the only Ukrainian in the US Congress

God only knows who she is. Apart from this, she is in the US Congress, if you read it right the only important bit from that title (very informative) is - con.

Velund
8 Apr 2025  #1750

100 years ago, on April 7, 1925, the Plenum of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic decided to move to forced Ukrainianization of the Ukrainian SSR. They started with signboards as under Petlyura, when, having occupied Kiev, the future leader of the OUN (an extremist organization banned in Russia) Konovalets ordered to immediately remove all signs in Russian. Soon after the plenum, the nationalist academician Yefremov wrote in his diary: "How much mockery there was about Konovalets, and now we have ended up with the same thing ourselves".

But, of course, the matter was not limited to signs April 30, 1925 issued a decree "On urgent measures to carry out a complete Ukrainianization of the Soviet apparatus". State institutions and enterprises were ordered to switch to Ukrainian office work for 8 months, for this purpose all employees had to learn Ukrainian for 4 hours a week after work. Those who did not want to learn Ukrainian could be fired without severance pay".

However, the process was slow, the check conducted in April 1926 showed that in the Commissars (i.e. ministries) and commercial and industrial enterprises about 14% of employees had a good knowledge of Ukrainian, and almost half of them did not know it at all. If all those who did not know Ukrainian were dismissed, there would be no one to work. Nevertheless, by the beginning of 1927, 3.2% of all employees were dismissed only from the central authorities "for malicious unwillingness to learn the Ukrainian language". And it was difficult for them to find a new job - at that time there was still mass unemployment in the USSR.

The need to speak in a language that most city inhabitants did not speak created many problems. As the Kharkiv lawyer Berman wrote to his friend: "It's a real circus in court now. Listening to any defense lawyer, you roll with laughter, it's not a speech, but nonsense in an unknown language". According to him, neither the accused, nor witnesses, nor experts, nor people's assessors, and sometimes even the chairman of the court understood anything in court. And this lawyer had to order business cards in Moscow, because in Kharkov they were not made in Russian.

But the Ukrainianizers flourished. As national-communist Ivan Maistrenko, who later escaped with the Nazis, recalls, for teaching Ukrainian in two institutions he received a monthly salary of "the most qualified Kharkov worker", although he worked only 8 hours a week.

The atmosphere of Ukrainianization was beginning to give a legal outflow to nationalism. Khvylevy, the most popular Ukrainian writer of the time and a Bolshevik since 1919, issued the slogan "Away from Moscow" and called fascism "a successful and timely foray." This was too much; the party officially condemned Khvylevy, as well as Commissar of Education Shumsky, for their nationalist bias. But Ukrainianization continued: Shumsky was replaced by Skrypnyk, whose name is associated with the introduction of a new Ukrainian spelling, deliberately detached from Russian. Now such spelling has been restored and in general much of the then Ukrainianization resembled modern Ukraine. But still monuments to Pushkin were not demolished then, and the Russian language remained a compulsory subject in schools.

The process then stopped only in the late 1930s. In the post-war decades in the USSR about Ukrainianization tried not to remember. There were no articles about this phenomenon in encyclopedias. But in modern Ukraine the experience was in demand. Although it denies its communist heritage, Ukrainianizers like Skrypnyk are not subject to decommunization. Monuments to them continue to stand.

Bobko
8 Apr 2025  #1751

God only knows who she is

Born 1970s in Western Ukraine. Moved to US in early 2000s. Married an American.

Third term in Congress.

Trumpist.

Last year voted against $61B aid package to Ukraine.

Goes on livestreams with Ukrainian journalists where she blames Zelensky for being surrounded by thieves. Says if Zelensky is re-elected Ukraine will then lose its remaining 80% of territory.

Velund
8 Apr 2025  #1752

If so, do they take US credit cards?

AFAIK both VISA and Mastercard blocked transactions from Russia. I had few VISAs, and at some moment, all transactions processing of VISA/MC cards issued by Russian banks was intercepted by National Payment System (operator of MIR cards). So, same cards continue to work in Russia, but now processed locally, no international transactions was possible anymore.

I do not know if NPS will process US-issued cards.

Bobko
8 Apr 2025  #1753

I do not know if NPS will process US-issued cards.

All POS terminals in Russia (including those working with NPS) accept Visa and Mastercard.

There is a very limited problem with cards issued a long time by Russian issuers that have expired security certificates. For a person visiting from abroad this is highly unlikely to be an issue.

There are problems - however - with American Express. It doesn't work anywhere.

Novichok
8 Apr 2025  #1754

Using that language about Putler in NN would get you imprisoned and possibly killed, whatever your passport.

I can call you a Polish piece of shlt in Moscow all day long and nothing will happen to me with either passport in my pocket.

If I am lucky to visit Russia before my expiration date, I will do just that...Maybe some Russian will offer me a cup of coffee...

mafketis
8 Apr 2025  #1755

calling on Ukraine to cede land to Russia and oust Zelensky.

every country produces some traitors....

Novichok
8 Apr 2025  #1756

every country produces some traitors....

It's a lot worse when the traitor is a US president.

One of them gave away Panama Canal.

Another azzhole donated 200 billion bucks he didn't have to turn Ukraine into a "meat grinder".

cms neuf
8 Apr 2025  #1757

PolAms posts about the US not leaving Rzeszow have not aged well.

Still I can understand if they want to save a few bucks that could be spent invading Greenland

Torq
8 Apr 2025  #1758

PolAms posts about the US not leaving Rzeszow have not aged well.

Neither has the "Happy gulag b*tches!" battle cry, but such is life. I suspect similar fate awaits his "it will be over by June" prediction.

PolAmKrakow
8 Apr 2025  #1759

@Torq
FO
I said last week, Trump was going to pull 100K soldiers out of Europe. I still say its over at the end of June if the preliminary deals are done. But this move now, makes me believe Trump is going to say fvck it and be out completely unless a deal is done by Easter.

@cms neuf
I said the US would not abandon Poland. And it will not. The actual news is that the US is moving troops to more permanent locations and that Rzezow is not a permanent base and not designed to be.

I would rather be wrong and have this war end. All the PF blowhards just care about being right in predictions. So, I predict this board will die when two things happen. The war ends, and Trump is out of office.

Bobko
8 Apr 2025  #1760

every country produces some traitors

Indeed - Ukraine must be some kind of champion at producing traitors.

Torq
8 Apr 2025  #1761

@Torq FO

How dare you call me a Flight Officer! Scandalous.

I still say its over at the end of June

The end of June which year?

I predict this board will die when two things happen. The war ends, and Trump is out of office.

This board was here long before Trump was in the office and long before the war started, so I predict it will be here long after the war ends and Trump is out of office. Let's see whose predicition will come true.

mafketis
8 Apr 2025  #1762

Ukrainian armed forces capturedtwo Chinese soldiers fighting for russia on Ukrainian territory.....

It's a good thing the US has been so anxious to avoid 'escalation' and given the New Axis Powers (russia, china, iran, north korea) free run in Ukraine...

x.com/nexta_tv/status/1909583469878927451

WWIII is here and people are worried about zelenskyy not wearing a suit....

Ironside
8 Apr 2025  #1763

Ukrainian armed forces capturedtwo Chinese

There is another billion to go.

Crow
8 Apr 2025  #1764

Ukrainian armed forces capturedtwo Chinese soldiers fighting for russia on Ukrainian territory.....

hah, so that is the reason why Russia advance slowly but surely. No casualties of Russian army but Russia`s allies, Chinese and Koreans, while nazis and deluded ones dies in swathes like flies.

This also explains why Russia already didn`t use nukes. Why use nukes when no real casualties are inflicted to Russian army.

Putin, the chess master.

Bratwurst Boy
8 Apr 2025  #1765

Ukrainian armed forces capturedtwo Chinese soldiers fighting for russia on Ukrainian territory.....

I wonder what their price is.....for Peking their soldiers will be surely not much different than other trading goods.....if possible offered cheaper than anybody else!

Crow
8 Apr 2025  #1766

Long live Putin and Trump!

Alien
8 Apr 2025  #1767

Long live

How long?

Crow
8 Apr 2025  #1768

Long live Orban and Vucic!

How long?

As long as needed.

Alien
8 Apr 2025  #1769

long as needed

Who needs it?

Crow
8 Apr 2025  #1770

Who?

Americans, Russians, Serbs and other good people. Like during the Civil War in the States, Russia will help. States can`t be let sunk in bleakness. Later States helped when Civil War happened in Russia. Or when Soviet Union was reformed, by the plan, into new Russian Empire.


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