Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 21

Right...

newsweek.com/trump-reveals-russias-pretty-big-concession-peace-talks-ukraine-2063802

... an idiot or a Russian agent (or both)?

Nobody will, hardly anyone would support that idea. After all, Poland invested money, time, effort, and people into Ukraine for at least 500 years to receive a poor, ungrateful yield. On top of it, we lost our ancient territory, which is now part of Ukraine. Without Poland, there wouldn't be such a nation or notion about such a nation. Yet those a-holes don't even regionalize historical truth and historical facts.
Anyway, it would be very impractical and nobody is interested, except for some Americans with ideas.

Puerto Rico or US Virgin Islands are the US territories. Ukraine could be a Polish territory in a similar fashion.

If you don't like the idea, present a better one. The US is not interested in fighting the war. Is the EU ready to fight Russia in a nuclear war? Of course not. So their (and your) solution is just to wait for what Putin is going to do. Guess what, Kiev is not safe if you wait much longer.

No.

Just a US president who, like the rest of us, doesn't give a fvck about another Euroholes' war.

Go die...


I already said that nobody in the US gives a shlt...

Zelensky acknowledges Ukraine can't retake Crimea militarily
US President Donald Trump has said the peninsula that joined Russia in 2014 will remain under Moscow's control

Hey, Zhole, I knew it 3 years ago!

What an azzhole...it took him 500,000 dead Ukrainians to get into his stupid Jewish head what every homeless bum in NY knew from day one...

'He doesn't want peace': Trump blasts Putin after meet with Zelenskyy, warns of tougher sanctions

Did the US want peace on June 7, 1944?

Did the US want peace on August 10, 1945?

That's a lie. With the Ukrainian troops in the suburbs of Moscow, Russia's end is near.

That's what I am told daily here ...

Seriously, after all the post-WW2 ethnic cleansing this is pointless, it has been almost 4 generations since it was lost. Historical bellyfeels are not worth all the baggage requiring that territory would bring and it would likely always be a money sink due to no major deposits, conditions for industry or trade.

It has existed for centuries and has had a long struggle for independence.


Yes. Aside from the fact that Poland couldn't afford to do that (Germany's levelling up after reunification almost bankrupted them and this would be a much larger job) Poland is unlikely to favour the idea of decades' long guerilla warfare by Ukrainian partisans and would probably prefer for their buses, public offices and supermarkets/malls not to have nail bombs exploding in them.

Nor would the EU, of which Poland is a full member, allow them to absorb so much territory.

That comment shows your complete and utter ignorance.
If it wasn't for Ukraine, Russia would never have existed!
That is why Putin wants it so much, because he knows that Russia was born in Ukraine.
You really need to read up on your history before you make a fool of yourself on this forum where we will tear you to shreds for your ignorance.

Ok, so the solution is? Listen to France and repeat Napoleon?

Waiting much longer is not an option, either. Even if the EU decides to beef up military to the point they have a chance to defeat Russia in a few years, Putin will quickly annex the whole Ukraine in the meantime so that they have even more resources to win any war.


If it wasn't for Serbia, ... you know the drill. What can Serbia or Ukraine do to Russia now; how to resolve the conflict?

He's failed so far in doing that. Three years for a small amount of territory at the cost of half a million casualties.

Continue the war, put economic pressure on Russia, bump up European aid to Ukraine.
Ukraine is already winning this war...... they don't need to surrender anything.....

Russia's goal was not to take the whole Ukraine, but if they change their mind, they can and would.


Germany and the whole EU cannot sustain the war much longer (economically and socially - the whole EU is tired of the war much more than propaganda news show). Russia with an alliance with China can.

@Tlum
Poland isn't strong enough or rich enough to even think about Ukraine as a client territory let alone asking Ukrainians if they would want that. I must say it is an original idea but doomed to sit on the shelf. The only possible way it could happen would be as a confederation but the inevitable tensions wouldn't bode well. Everyone would know why this was happening and they would block the move.

Their stated goal was to take Kyiv and install a puppet government. They have failed utterly in that.


It's not only the EU involved (and Germany is not leading any initiatives) and European finances are not something for others to worry about.


The EU is a trading bloc. And support for freedom in Ukraine still remains strong. Perhaps stronger than ever before as the Americans are making such an ineffectual mess with their meddling.

Just as the Russians in Crimea and Donbass.

Say goodbye to both and eat shlt.


I agree. If you give me your email, I will send you the sign-up form.


Are you sad and cheering?

With weasels like you, one never knows...

No. They were recent arrivals, whose vile country ethnically cleansed the Crimean Tatars. May every last one of them perish in extreme pain and fear.

Euros are recent arri\val in North America. 600 years is "recent" enough.

The bigger the fist, the less recent the arrival must be to be permanent.

Poles arrived to Eastern Germany 80 years ago - aided by the Soviet fist.


Tatars can sue in the Hague. Ukrainians have no standing in the case.

Most r*SSians in Crime have settled there since 2014.
There have been Poles in Germany for hundreds of years.

Now go to bed; you're making a fool of yourself again.

Bullshlt! You lying POS...

Quoting:

Distribution of ethnicities in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (which doesn't include Sevastopol) according to the 2001 census. Ethnic Russians comprise a majority at 58%

Ukrainians - 24.3%

Tatars - 12.5%

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

The results:

The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation, with an 83 percent voter turnout, and from Sevastopol there was also a 97 percent vote for integration with Russia, with an 89 percent voter turnout.

You know what it means, dicksucker?

It means that even Ukrainians and Tatars voted to join the Russian Federation!

Want more, moron?

Here it is:

The United Nations Development Programme conducted a series of polls in Crimea between 2009 and 2011 about the status of Crimea and the question of leaving Ukraine and joining Russia with a sample size of 1,200:

Quarter Yes
2009 Q3[33] 70%
2009 Q4[33] 67%
2010 Q1[34] 66%
2010 Q2[34] 65%
2010 Q3[34] 67%
2010 Q4[34] 66%
2011 Q4[35] 65.6%

Eat shlt...

Also:

Gallup conducted an immediate post-referendum survey of Ukraine and Crimea and published their results in April 2014.

Gallup reported that, among the population of Crimea, 93.6% of ethnic Russians and 68.4% of ethnic Ukrainians believed the referendum result accurately represents the will of the Crimean people.

How is that shlt? Tastes good?

The EU can eat ****, they are in no position to allow or not allow anything.
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You are confusing issues here. Don't listen to propaganda and tall stories. Russia's origin is in Moscow, and medieval Kiev is only a cultural influence that ended a long time ago. Kiev and Moscow history diverged long time ago.
What you are saying sound bizarre. It is like saying that if it weren't for France, Germany would never have existed.
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That would make some sense if Ukrainians were clamoring for it. Demanding to be a part of Poland, there is nothing like that. It is a bizarre idea concocted by an American who has too much time on his hands.
On the other hand, even people like me who think that Poland lost an unjustly large chunk of territory to the Soviets and Ukraine has not right to it, don't want to extend Polish jurisdiction over the whole of Ukraine, no gain in it.
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No one cares about Russians anyway.
If they are dissatisfied, they can move back to Russia.
There is plenty of land there.
Once Russia recognized sovereignty of the Ukrainian state in 1991 in existing borders, any subsequent territorial claims are illegal and any acts that involve armed forces against Ukrainian sovereignty are acts of war.
There is no justification for the war of aggression.

In formal terms sure, but Russians wouldn't buy it. As they don't operate with formality. They use it to their advantage. (Criminal behaviour)

It would make more sense for Russia to let herself be "annexed" legally by a short declared war and propose a annexation of herself by Poland. Poland does not have the means of fully controlling Russian controlled lands and would de-facto remain in control and power.

It would automatically let Russia become formally part of the NATO defense and potentially blow NATO up as a organisation. But, it's not doable or possible cause Putin has the tantrum of a little baby and "I wants my Soviet Union back Beua Uah Uah!"

So both possibilities are to be excluded

Well, al least there would be an obvious capital city for such a state: Lviv.

This is a genius plan, Grunnie.

Day 1: Poland recreates the Warsaw Pact, but now as its leader and Russia as its only member. Belarus immediately applies to join, but is told to "wait in line like everybody else."

Day 2: Polish authorities mandate that all street signs be converted to the Latin alphabet. St. Petersburg is officially renamed "Święty Piotrgród," confusing locals and Google Maps alike. Kaliningrad, already unsure of its identity, applies for independence.

Day 3: Poland finally deploys its most feared weapon: Urząd Skarbowy. Confused Russian oligarchs receive 700-page backdated tax notices - written entirely in Polish legalese. Several billionaires voluntarily exile themselves to Siberia, declaring it "simpler."

Day 4: All Russian regions are instructed to apply for 30 years' worth of unused EU agricultural subsidies. Overnight, Chechnya is reclassified as a "strategic apple orchard," while Siberia claims to be Europe's largest strawberry-growing region. Brussels approves everything - out of fear.

Day 5: Despite Siberia's vast gas reserves, Warsaw mandates that every household must now heat with imported Polish coal "to support domestic industry." Gazprom is repurposed into a state-owned kielbasa distributor.

Day 6: Poland announces the restoration of a "historical union" - the Rzeczpospolita 2.0. Lithuania is informed by email and told it now governs Smolensk. Latvia, sensing danger, immediately declares neutrality.

Day 7: In a move to "modernize infrastructure," Poland dispatches its legendary road crews. Traffic cones appear across all eleven time zones. Russians are informed that roadworks will be completed "by 2085, weather permitting." Russians exhale with relief, as a sense of normalcy returns.

Forgot to mention:

* The Kremlin towers play the Mazurka at the top of every hour.

** Smolensk Airport is permanently closed, and declared a national memorial ground. The Pułk Reprezentacyjny Wojska Polskiego is posted there as an honor guard to "supervise fate".

Transplants from r*SSia, often ex-military and there for a bad purpose.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Your betters find it boring.

@Bobko

There is definitely a book in you--a novel that Sorokin himself wouldn't be ashamed of. :)

If your fist is big enough, you don't have to justify anything. You just do it. A nice story about "freedom and democracy" for the naive never hurts but it's entirely optional.

See the US in K, V, I, A, S ... and now Russia in Donbass...

Back to my friends...Hey, Russia, what the fvck is the matter...getting mellow? Why is it taking so long? Why is Z still around annoying Trump and Putin?

Even a dumb mongoose - my favorite animal for its bravery - is still smart enough to go for the head first...