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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 24



amiga500
2 Sep 2025  #961

Mathematically impossible, and the few local government places

yep you stamerites get lost in the maths, and you don't even see what's happening in front of your noses. the forest and the trees. you don't even see the grassroots revolution infront on islegton trees. hey wher corbyn at?

jon357
2 Sep 2025  #962

stamerites

No such thing.

the grassroots revolution infront on islegton trees

There's no 'grassroots' or any other sort of revolution, least of all in Islington, one of the most expensive places in Europe.

hey wher corbyn at?

On his allotment digging turnips and trying to avoid Zara Sultana.

amiga500
2 Sep 2025  #963

least of all in Islington,

are you sure?

mafketis
2 Sep 2025  #964

There's no 'grassroots' or any other sort of revolution

Do you support 5 armed police meeting Graham Lineham at the airport to arrest him..... for tweets?

jon357
2 Sep 2025  #965

That's noting to do with the Iran/r*SSia fundedCorbyn that we wre discussing, and that terf knows full well that we have tons of other terfs, including in government, all of them free to spew their filth without persecution. Should they break laws however, especially laws about inciting violence against members of the public, (and this highly funded activist and his team of lawyers and PR agents know the law very well) they will obviously need to answer for that. Otherwise, any waster could encourage violent attacks against you me or anyone else.

5 armed police

Normal in any airport, as that terf's PR team knew well when they staged that.

It is worth noting that he has not been charged with a crime, and the matter is under investigation.

Anyway, this is nothing to do with r*SSia and there is an existing thread to discuss that issue in. Is one thread about it insufficient for you?

mafketis
2 Sep 2025  #966

nothing to do with r*SSia

And Islington does?

jon357
2 Sep 2025  #967

Sadly yes, since the multimillionaire politician mentioned who lives there and largely has his power base within an hour's walk of it has received payments from r*SSia Today. Many over the years. The Iran state broadcaster too.

Meanwhile, Glavset does its best to stoke culture wars that most people don't care much about.

amiga500
2 Sep 2025  #968

has received payments from r*SSia Today. Many over the years. The Iran state broadcaster too.

haha that's real tomato throwing!

anything more substanstial to say about the far left or the far right?

jon357
2 Sep 2025  #969

tomato throwing

Or propaganda on behalf of the pariah state r*SSia.

anything more substanstial to say about the far left or the far right?

Ask yourself that question.

And ask who funds the activities of both.

Novichok
2 Sep 2025  #970

Or propaganda on behalf of the pariah state r*SSia.

What is your state? State-confused?
The one on the left is from Russia. The other one from Jonia...


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jon357
2 Sep 2025  #971

The second is of course from the place that the geriatric lives and perhaps he thinks there are no beautiful women in his country or that men don't ever get it on with each other in r*SSia.

This is irrelevant though.

What is important is that Xi Jinping's recent comments and Rocket Man's presence on the podium underline that this is a proxy war waged by China.

r*SSia and Putler have failed to achieve their aims, however pushing on with a war they cannot win is a testing ground for Chinese tech, as well as a way of killing off surplus r*SSians and North Koreans.

This war will last for a very long time.

Novichok
2 Sep 2025  #972

Russia achieved Crimea and four other regions.
That is a lot more than stoopid Brits did in Iraq.

jon357
2 Sep 2025  #973

This is quite interesting.

The worse it goes for r*SSians, the more they lie and exaggerate.

"The influential Russian war observers known as "milbloggers" have rounded on the defence ministry and the army chief Gen Valery Gerasimov for exaggerating battlefield progress in Ukraine, according to the Institute for the Study of War (ISW). Gerasimov claimed on 30 August that Russian forces had seized 3,500 sq km of territory and 149 settlements since March 2025. "ISW has observed evidence to assess that Russian forces had gained only roughly 2,346 sq km of Ukrainian territory and seized 130 settlements" in that time, said the US thinktank.
The ISW said Russia's "territorial gains remain disproportionately limited and slow relative to the high losses incurred", and because of this the Kremlin was intensifying a propaganda campaign to influence western decision-making: accusing European states of prolonging the war, making nuclear threats, and claiming that Russian victory in Ukraine is inevitable
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theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/02/ukraine-war-briefing-pro-russian-observers-call-out-exaggeration-of-territorial-gains

cms neuf
2 Sep 2025  #974

What they call settlements captured are often just individual farmhouses or a collection of buildings.

Truth is the North Nigerians haven't moved at all for 6 months - two reasons for this

1. When they break trhough they don't have the logistics to support it
2. They are permanently drunk on paint stripper

jon357
2 Sep 2025  #975

the North Nigerians haven't moved at all for 6 months

Just as China wants.

To make trouble for the west to distract from their adventures elsewhere and of course some technology involved too, as well as making r*SSians their client state which it is in every sense already.

PolAmKrakow
2 Sep 2025  #976

@cms neuf
The truth is, Ukraine has been pushed out of Russia and is not only running out of men, but running out of time. Stop with the cheerleading and face actual facts.

Korvinus
2 Sep 2025  #977

Ukraine has been pushed out of Russia and is not only running out of men, but running out of time

Ukraine is very likely going to win. Russia and Russia' enjoyers have always claimed Russia is winning, and Russia's theory of victory involves convincing the rest of the world that Russian victory is inevitable.

If the US were fully committed to supporting Ukraine, at least to the levels they were during the Biden administration, then Ukrainian victory would be almost certain. Trump's retarded stances are the reason Ukraine's chances have been downgraded from almost certain to very likely.

And to define Ukrainian victory, I am talking about their positions of:
1.) Effective security guarantees for Ukraine that will prevent further Russian aggression.
2.) Control of territory being roughly around the current lines. No significant territory conceded to Russia in a peace agreement.
3.) Not acknowledging any formal Russian ownership of occupied Ukrainian territory. This is important for continuing Ukrainian efforts to regain those territories in the future via political and economic pressure.

The war is still primarily attritional and is basically a stalemate in terms of territory control. Russian advances are still minuscule despite Russian and Russia western supporters efforts to blow them out of proportion. Russian advances have no ability to force a surrender. Sadly, attrition is the determining factor for how the war will end, which is why it has been a long war and will not be ending in the immediate future.

But Russia's offensive efforts come at immense cost in terms of Russian manpower, time, and military equipment. Russia's ability to bear those costs are very likely to run out before Ukraine's ability to defend against them.

And Russia cannot currently afford to back off some and slow down the offensive pace to one they can sustain for longer, because them slowing down the pace will allow Ukraine to better counter-attack and otherwise contest the initiative. Which gravely threatens the extremely important "inevitable Russian victory" narrative. Russia's effort to convince the US and others to not support Ukraine are critical to Russia's theory of victory as the level of support Ukraine receives is a critical factor in how long Ukraine can sustain their war effort.

cms neuf
2 Sep 2025  #978

One actual fact I can face is that the North Nigerians are still 6km outside Pokrovsk - sat hungover in their own **** and ****.

I'm happy to be a cheerleader for that

Novichok
2 Sep 2025  #979

Ukraine is very likely going to win.

Even Zhole burst out laughing when he read your post...

It sounded something like this: ...hahahahahahahahahaha...what a moron...hahahahahahahahahahahaha...

You made him laugh...it's a good thing...

...Nigerians are still 6km outside Pokrovsk...

It's Russians, azzhole...

Anyone who counts kilometers rather than the dead is a piece of human excrement and a military idiot.

How many kilometers from Tokyo were the US Marines when the Japs decided to surrender? Nobody knows and nobody cared...

It was the stench of decomposing Jap civilians that did it...Women and children included...That's how you win wars...

How is "Oh, fvck..." in Japanese...

No significant territory conceded to Russia in a peace agreement.

Germany didn't concede any territory to Poland. They were just informed to get out...

That's the theory behind the big fist.

Novichok
3 Sep 2025  #980

I know that Poles have zakute lby and that things sink in slowly - if ever...

So just to make it easier on you, I simplified things as far as I could...

Three things are non-negotiable to Russia:

1. Crimea and 4 other regions. Putin is just as unable to give any part of these 5 as Trump to negotiate Alaska, Cali, Arizona, or Texas.

2. U will never be in NATO, just as Mexico will never be a military buddy of China or Russia.

3. Any agreement with Ukraine must be signed by a democratically elected Ukrainian president. Z is a dictator who conveniently cancelled elections.

The above is so simple that even Polaks should be able to understand. Trump most certainly did and that's why the Alaska meeting went exactly how I predicted...The mystery: Why they needed all that time to go over the above three points.

Memo: to Western Europe: You are powerless and irrelevant. Go away and take care of your Muslims before they rape more of your defenseless girls and women.

Novichok
3 Sep 2025  #981

Trump comes shockingly close to conceding defeat on Russia-Ukraine peace after boasting it would be 'easiest' war to solve

Simple...Trump wants the Peace Nobel Prize...Join Russia just as the US did in 1941 and attack Ukraine from the East and the West. Hang Z, make U neutral like Austria, and celebrate...

No World War 3!!! Nothing else matters...Mr. Trump...The prize is yours...

mafketis
3 Sep 2025  #982

Russia's theory of victory involves convincing the rest of the world that Russian victory is inevitable

They've been trying to manifest victory by repeating (and having their dupes and shills repeating) that russia has won, is winning or is about to win.... they've been doing that since 2022

Meanwhile, Ukrainian soldiers show up from the Sevastopol direction (!) dressed as russians (!) blow up some stuff and easily escape...

russians are confused and have a sad....

x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1963085910238470606

PolAmKrakow
3 Sep 2025  #983

@Korvinus
Please show everyone where there is one section of the front line that Ukraine is taking land back. The US will not commit to Ukraine because it is not the US war to be involved with. Soon, Trump will put it all on the EU, and the EU will then be buying more weapons from the US for Ukraine. Just as it happened last week, and as it should have been from the beginning. This is not a US problem, it is a European problem. The only reason the EU is so upset is because it is used to the US riding in an rescuing Europe. Wont happen again.

Ironside
3 Sep 2025  #984

Graham Lineham at the airport to arrest him..... for tweets?

The UK is slowly turning into some Orwellian dystopia where elites and govermnat actively working against the people of the country.
Hopefully, the Brits will wake up and solve that issue.
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The EU will then be buying more weapons from the US for Ukraine.

Hmm..I don't see it happening. I mean, you have all kinds of losers as politicians, but if you assume there is a proper statesman at the helm, there is no country that would do that. Trump can keep dreaming; I've figured him out-he's a chancer. He tries different approaches to see what he can get. If he manages to gain even a little, he his happy; if all he gets is a finger, he backs off.
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the front line that Ukraine is taking land back

Neither Russia is making much progress.

jon357
3 Sep 2025  #985

Trump can keep dreaming; I've figured him out-he's a chancer. He tries different approaches to see what he can get

You've figured that out correctly. He certainly has deeper issues as well. Nevertheless, I wish him well healthwise; he may well be a toxic clown however the alternative (and the money behind him) is more dangerous.

some Orwellian dystopia

Bullsh1t. If I tell a million people to violently attack you, I'd get in trouble anywhere.

Neither Russia is making much progress.

Zero progress. That is exactly what their nasters in China want.

mafketis
3 Sep 2025  #986

If I tell a million people to violently attack you, I'd get in trouble anywhere.

Answered in another thread...

Bobko
3 Sep 2025  #987

Legally binding agreement signed with China, to develop the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline.

This - after 5 years of reading Bloomberg and WSJ articles about why this will never happen.

An additional 50 billion cubic meters of gas annually, in addition to already existing Power of Siberia, and LNG shipments.

This is the same gas that made Germany into the world's number one export powerhouse, and allowed Italian manufacturing to be competitive around the world.

Hope your Green Revolution is going well - European friends.

mafketis
3 Sep 2025  #988

Legally binding agreement

When has either russia or China ever felt legally bound to any agreement?

same gas that made Germany into the world's number one export powerhouse

And was pumping money into russia too.... but russians want war more than they want prosperity. So....

PolAmKrakow
3 Sep 2025  #989

@Ironside
You dont see more purchases like the 350 million dollars worth of missiles bought last week? Specifically for Ukraine, paid for by the EU, paid to the US. A proper statesman would have never gotten involved in Ukraine. But Biden was not a proper statesman. He had a son to protect from legal prosecution, and he owed Zelensky something for making sure evidence from Ukraine just disappeared. Oh, and the "big guy" and his family including Hunter made tens of millions in Ukraine, so he felt the US spending money there was a good idea. Bad idea, bad results.

Ironside
3 Sep 2025  #990

You dont see more purchases like the 350 million dollars worth of missiles bought last week?

Those who agree on that are just scum that need to go. The whole idea that the EU needs to chip in to buy junk from the US for Ukraine is pure idiocy.

would have never gotten involved in Ukraine

Why not? Supporting Ukraine is a good idea; it's a form of investment.


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