European News and Poland Thread

Africa is Germania and Germania is Africa. And Francia and Anglia. They are all Africa.

WTF???????
LOL!!!!!!!

Not yet but it's a matter of time. It's a mathematical fact that eventually the countries that brought in hordes of Muslims and Africans will be a minority. For England it'll be around mid 2040 early 2050. In France it'll be sooner

It must be a bi*ch to watch those curves intersect in their lifetime. But, that's what they want, so what's the harm? That was sarcasm.

Not that they didn`t do everything to reduce number of Blacks in Africa itself, as they already reduced native Americans. Slavery, genocide, economic exploitation thru colonies, ebola, AIDS, bloody Civil Wars, ...

But still, they themselves would become Africans. Is that by the hand of God?

And what would remain of true Africans? Would any of them prevail those locusts from western Europe?

I think you have your crayons mixed up again.......


The swarm of locusts have already devoured Yugoslavia and spit it back out.

Fine. Fine. But now we don`t have international order and we have situation of legitimate grabbing. So locusts themselves aren`t safe. He, he.

Lemme guess... Sub saharans are sarmatians too....

I nicely said all Whites are of Sarmatian (ie Slavic) origin.

Lol yeah because the Greeks, Italians, Irish, etc are all sarmatians... Even though nationalities like Greek and Italian had a distinct identity well before they even made contact with ancient sarmatians

Adrian, he is nuts...........

While you're a "bloody fruitcake"...

At least fruitcakes are incapable of commiting mass rape and genocide.
Unlike Serbian nuts.

Don't generalize here, Milo!

Josip Broz "Tito" was a Serb and a proud patriot, yet fought against the Nazis, albeit, as with many "anti-Nazis", he was also
an anti-Semite:-)

Tito? He was half Croat, half Slovene.

I've been to the village (which is now a museum) where he was born.

Wiki is a bit dodgy, but the Britannica has variously described him as at least partly Serbian.

no, croat slovene (he even spoke slovenian passably well according to one person I knew from there)

I see. Always pays to verify, even from the most unimpeachable sources:-)

He was not a Serb, but he was the only person capable of holding Yugoslavia together.
Something The Serbs mistakenly thought that they were capable of.

Yup, he definitely spoke Slovenian. His village was only 2km away from the Slovene lands, and he spent a lot of time with his Slovenian grandparents.

This might interest you - he also spoke English - youtube.com/watch?v=pYSe08OtrHE . You can really see his immense charisma in this video, much more so than most. Apparently he was also quite capable in German, and could even get by in Czech and Hungarian.


Yup, it was never going to work as a state without a strongman in control. I always wonder as to why he created that insane structure for Yugoslavia before his death, rather than grooming a deputy. Although, I've seen it mentioned in many places that people were loyal and faithful to Tito because of his immense leadership during WW2, and that no successor would have enjoyed the same respect.

I've also been to one of his 30-odd villas in Igalo, Montenegro. It looks exactly how you'd imagine Tito's villa to look, even down to the massive personal swimming pool.

Many of the Communist leaders were fluent in other languages. The Russians almost never, although Brezhnev managed a few
words of greeting when he first arrived in Washington, and Andropov too spoke German too, I believe. Gomulka? Not sure and
Gierek spoke only Polish, I read in a book written by his personal interpreter:-)

This was certainly part of the problem. Everybody respected Tito, even those who disliked his policies. He was known to not view other citizens as Croats or Serbs, but Yugoslavs, and in return was not reduced to one nationality. However no matter who followed him, his successor would always be considered e.g. a Serb by all non-Serbians. Yugoslavia could work as long as Tito was alive, and it could benefit from its' unique geopolitical position as bridge between East and West during the Cold War.

But once Tito was dead, the domestic issues tore the country apart, while the end of the Cold War meant that nobody outside had any interest in preserving it. Not to mention that the West could not have done so without invalidating its' moral stance, and Russia who might have wanted to was in too bad a shape.

And I don't think there's a hard linguistic border at village levels..
Once in Zagreb at a table with a Slovene and Croat overhearing a conversation near by.... "A Croat trying to speak Slovenian always sounds hiliarious" said one and the other said no... they're speaking Croat and then they listened some more and finally decided they couldn't tell if the person was Croat or Slovene short of asking (which they were understandably hesitant to do).

Another time a Croat could not believe that when two Poles meet outside of Poland neither can tell where the other is from (unless they tell each other).

I have the idea that Croatian (like Greek) is still poorly standardized (and like Czech there are large differences between official written and everyday spoken forms).

AFAICT there's an emerging spoken standard mostly based on Zagreb and an official spoken standard which everybody agrees sounds nicer but which... people aren't anxious to actually use.

Polish is extremely standardized which is good for beginners but the price comes later... a speaker doesn't have to use many dialect terms before I have problems understanding cause I just don't hear them often enough.

My former teacher once told me that dialect Polish, at least in the major metropoli, is exceedingly rare! Foreigners such as I therefore would have to venture into the Zakopane region, for instance, to encounter actual "gwara".

Other than that, were I to go almost anywhere in urban Poland, I would have zero difficulties understanding the locals.

Even though I was only in two cities and not for long, she was right:-)

This is true, the only major accent difference is in Zakopane.
But there is some local slang to contend with.

It's fairly easy to tell if someone's from round Poznań, from Katowice or from Podlasie.

@jon357
How?

I've heard that people from Warsaw pronounce "taKze", whereas those from Krakow might say it more like "taGze".
Something like that.

By the accent. Poznań has a slight nasal sound, Katowice vowels can be quite distinctive and the very typical Podlasian singsong catenation.

The most distinct aspect of Poznań is the singsong accent compare Warsaw która goDZIna with Poznań KTÓra godziNA (roughly dzi is accented but on a lower rather than higher pitch and the voice flits up at the end)

the pronunciation of word final -ą as -om is also endemic among the less educated (And not at all rare among the more education)

there's also the ubiquitous tej at the end of many sentences (corresponding to no in most other varieties)

In Toruń and north jo instead of tak is the norm