European News and Poland Thread 2

Which country elects its civil servants? Good luck "freeing" yourself from that.

Not everyone who voted for Brexit was a racist but every racist who voted voted for Brexit. There is no point rerunning your referendum, I saw enough posters and newspapers with "hoards" of immigrants on them, to do me a lifetime.

You didn't free yourself from anything. Brexit was about erecting barriers to trade hence the new red tape that wasn't there before. The only thing that is being cut is regulations that protect the consumer and the environment. That is what it was all about, the sleight of hand to remove protections you could never achieve openly. Employment rights are in the process of being removed, Brexit is a race to the bottom.

The crazies in other European countries who talked about leaving the EU have all gone quiet.

Britain made a catastrophic mistake leaving the EU and when they try to get back it will be on EU terms...no opt-outs and no sterling. The paper thin TCA can be changed anytime with notice.

Using immigration to get Brexit done was a mistake.

There will be no going back, neither of the major parties have the will nor the stomach for it.And I don't think it was a mistake either, as the future will prove......


I think you are wrong, because I don't think immigration was the main reason for Brexit at all!But let's agree to disagree......

I think it was precisely the reason. Had the Brexit vote taken place at a time other than not long after Merkel decided to admit one million refugees to Germany, I think the result would have been very different. They played on people's fears in that the UK would soon be swamped with those making their way from Germany.

Posters like this only served to propagate the idea:

bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48244663

I know it's early days but if you think that Brexit has been successful so far then have a read of this:

ft.com/content/e39d0315-fd5b-47c8-8560-04bb786f2c13

Barney is spot on with his comments about the erosion of rights and regulations btw. Now Sunak is considering pulling the UK out of the ECHR.

Brexit was sold on lies, there was no plan, and many people I know who voted leave have all regretted their decision.


Sadly, I have to agree with you here. No-one wants to admit to being wrong.

Because UK migration policy is better now? Rational? Not horribly dysfunctional after all?

Why are British elites so determined to bring in people who have no hope of every making any kind of positive contribution to the country?

Because they have agreed with the US and other English-speaking countries, that they must include diversity and inclusion at all costs. They are not interested in stopping illegal immigration. It costs the UK £7 million a day to put the small boat people in hotels while they wait, about 2 years, to see if their asylum claims are successful. The whole world has changed a lot since the death of GF, although some just can't see it.

At least there is some good news! Nicola Sturgeon the Scottish PM has resigned.

'first minister' of the Scottish devolved assembly.

And it's good news indeed!

Good riddance to bad rubbish..

It just occurred to me. Have a look at today's Guardian. Particularly the special investigation. If you prefer a more conservative source, it's also in Le Monde in French.

I wonder if she'd used that company's services in the referendum or other elections.

That isn't the point I was trying to make, but no, it isn't.

The whole situation is a mess. The UK lost a significant number of EU workers due to the uncertainty surrounding Brexit and we now have a huge shortfall of workers in the transport, care, hospitality, warehousing and manufacturing industries. The government, being stupidly short-sighted, then tried to extend temporary visas to get these workers back. Absolute joke.

If you're talking about the people coming in boats, clearly we are unable to control our own borders. Other countries are not doing enough to help and I certainly don't think that it should be up to the UK to take in all these people when they are travelling through safe countries specifically to get here. I might sound harsh but it's just not possible for the UK to keep accepting people in these numbers. As Vincent pointed out, the cost of their accommodation is staggering and unsustainable.


I think they are at the moment but only because the horrendous living conditions that were exposed at Manston migrant centre became headlines, plus, more importantly, we're not that far away from away from a general election.


Great!

The UK had exactly the same powers before Brexit as they do now. Migration is a nothing burger with respect to Brexit apart from illegimately conflating the two issues to convince people to support it.

The UK had and still does have full control over its borders.

oh, yeah, that stream of illegal immigrants flowing into the UK through the English channel is just a temporary leakage - it will surely go away

@gumishu
Its for the UK government to develop and implement policies to control this issue. It is nothing to do with brexit

I never said it has things to do with brexit - you said the UK is in controll of its borders while it clearly isn't (for those daring enough to cross the English channel in a dinghy)

When any rando in a dinghy and no ID and a sob story can float into UK territorial waters and be given room and board for two years (before disappearing into an ethnic ghetto)..... no you don't.

I agree it has nothing to do with Brexit since the UK government clearly wants to bring as many non-western migrants (without much education or practicaql knowlege of western ways) into the UK as possible.

It's completely dysfunctional and bad for the country yet the government insists.... this is a far bigger problem than Brexit (though disgust with that system was clearly a factor in Brexit winning at the polls).

It's Tory incompetence. Plus of course they secretly like asylum seekers coming and being settled in poorer areas in order to split the working class vote to their advantage.

It won't work though.


It very much is, and this is the degree and of control the Tories choose.

@gumishu
On paper they are, no one else is especially not the EU. Of course people always break the law etc.

the most common practice with dealing with illegal trespassers on Polish-Belarusian border is push-back, maybe the UK should try it too (I don't know the details of the procedures of these push-backs: I read that some time ago those who managed to cross into Poland were asked whether they want to seek asylum in Poland - those who didn't were loaded back into Belarus - I have no idea whether it is still true and how true it was back then (I mean Idk whether they were actually offered an asylum in Poland)

There are so many videos of people who say they have been sent back,one even claimed to have been sent back over 20 times but they keep on trying,until finally successful to go to Germany.They even claim that even if they ask for asylum still they are pushed back.For I care its good.

@gumishu
States used to war other countries to gain control over ressources, women or population in general for taxational purposes, prestige or shifting focus from internal issues to buy more time or appease home population.

It practiced to a huge degree and formalized/ritualized in the Roman Empire (Rome was built on the premise of a group of young men who escaped the clutches of a tyrannical King of Etruscan's and kidnapped women after killing all the tribes men)

Nowadays states like U.S.A, U.K, France and Germany has no need to expand militarily. Only need to perform propaganda and invite people over due to reach of technology and media, be open for differences so that as many potential tax payers come over and join it's system.

Their Achilles heel would be to get neglected or image tarnished to such degree that nobody would want to travel there anymore.

States like Russia has very little appeal, little security nor inviting to most low-class/middle class. Only for certain upper class/artists who have no clue of the Russian life.

Which is why you see countries who experience brain drain to be as closed or closing as possible to avoid emigration, and expands militarily to increase it's tax paying population.

U.K has no incentive expect it's own native population's future in mind to close it's own borders. Even tho U.K has certain democratical traditions (parliament etc) it's still a monarchy.

A monarch will not be swayed or terribly hurt or concerned if his/her subjects speak non-English language as long as his/her representatives on the ground do and get's it's work done.

Great news!


Great news for Britain that this toxic and divisive individual has seen for herself that she is counter productive.

I don't think.you understand the mentality of British people.

British people are less racist than most of Europe,let alone America!The prime reason for Brexit was the rule from Brussels and Strasbourg.....

In general, yes, I would agree with you. The overwhelming majority of Brits are fine. However, at the time of the Brexit vote, the immigration issue was really being pushed by the media, especially with regard to Farage/UKIP. As you know, there had been a lot of immigration to the UK between 2004 and 2016 and I think people were concerned about increasing numbers arriving.

In my opinion the media did an excellent job in exploiting people's fears, dividing the nation and exposing the resentment simmering just beneath the surface in those people that do have racist tendencies.

I don't think that it's any coincidence that hate crimes surged during and after the Brexit vote:

independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crimes-racism-eu-referendum-vote-attacks-increase-police-figures-official-a7358866.html

irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/brexit-result-triggers-wave-of-hate-crimes-in-uk-1.2706032

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/559319/hate-crime-1516-hosb1116.pdf
( pages 17-19 are relevant to the referendum)

Anyway it's done and dusted now.

Don`t be stupid. You are saying it to a British person. :):):)

Exactly!


Really?
Think..........

Ha,ha,ha,ha, no one had as many exeptions as the British.

I thought Europe does not have mass shootings.
At least six people are dead and seven people injured after a shooting in the northern German city of Hamburg.
You need tighter gun control in Europe.

We do.
Just nowhere near as many as the USA has......

And remember that Europe's population is far larger than the USA.


True, and it was not enough.
I thought you were an Aussie.
If you are, you should understand our love of freedom.

Doesnt anyone want to talk about the mass shooting in Germany?

Hey, where do you obtain guns when they are banned in Euroland?

6 killed in shooting at Hamburg, Germany, Jehovah's Witness hall, including an unborn child, police say

cbsnews.com/news/shooting-germany-kingdom-hall-hamburg-jehovahs-witness/

When this happens in the USA the PF squad comes out of the woodwork to vilify us.. Now its crickets.....

We still know to little. We need an update.

...but never when a dozen blacks are killed in Chicago - one black at a time - on a typical weekend.

The problem PF a-holes have is when black thugs kill blacks. Damn...How do you hang this on me for the slaves I never had...Crap...Got to wait till ...

1. Black thug kills a white guy. Payback for slavery!!!
2. White guy kills a black thug. Racism!!!
3. White guy kills a white guy. Too many guns!!!
4. Black thug kills a black kid on the way to school. ....................

I don't see another combination so I guess I covered it pretty well...