European News and Poland Thread 3

In Scotland, families used to boil up a huge vat of porridge once a week, put it in a porridge drawer and let it set hard, then cut a lump off every day and heat it up with water. People have done that even in living memory there.

Wow....never heard of that....have to try it out!

Nobody forced Western "democracies" to start an economic war with Russia and blow up the pipe.
If I were your chancellor, Germany would be first, and nothing even close behind it. Not my war. That's what millions of Germans feel now.

....and nobody forced Putin to start a real war.

Everything what happened after "day zero" is the consequence of that decision....not the reason for it!


I doubt even a Chancellor Novi could stop that hurt...Putin with his war against Ukraine kicked also Germany in the nuts mightily....if Ukraine wouldn't had destroyed the pipes, someone else would. And there is nothing you as a Chancellor could do to change that...

There is a rule in law: The last one who could have prevented the event is most responsible if not entirely. For example: If I park my car the wrong way and you run into it but could have stopped if you obeyed the rules you are fully responsible for the damage to your car and mine.

Russia started the shooting part. Nobody forced Germany to become part of the Western coalition against Russia since Russia didn't attack the West or Germany. It was entirely your choice to participate in it. If Russia was at war with Mongolia, you would not impose sanctions on Russia or Mongolia.

Well....it seems we are talking about different things here.

1.) The western sanctions! I don't think they are really that problematic for Russia...meaning they are not that succesful!

2.) The gas delivery stop by Moscow since the September 2, 2022.....before that Germany satisfied 51% of it's energy demands from Russia!

PS:
...On 26 September 2022, the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines, which connect Russia and Germany, both ruptured in the Baltic Sea. Nord Stream 1 had been operating at a significantly reduced capacity and then closed for weeks, and Nord Stream 2 was not operating, but both still contained gas.[62] As of 7 October 2022, Swedish investigators said evidence pointed to sabotage....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%932023_Russia%E2%80%93European_Union_gas_dispute

That too is a consequence of that war, not a reason for it and surely not a choice by Germany!

You can say anything about the war in Ukraine but definitely not that it was a German choice. Germany is one of the countries that will be hit most severely by the economic consequences of it.

That's why PiS putting forward war reparations claims now is so stupid (not per se but at this particular moment). It only creates division within the EU and strengthens anti-democratic forces in Germany. Maybe PiS thinks that they will be able to be more successful in their foreign policies with AfD in power but I wouldn't be so sure.

Of course, I wouldn't demonize AfD. I simply think that PiS is making a mistake by playing on strengthening them and weakening the current German government; because that's what it is: Germany supports Tusk and wants to facilitate government change in Poland, so PiS indirectly supports AfD.

I wonder if Putin ever wasted a thought about that....



....there are Wessis who state in some forums that they would give Eastern Germany to Poland, that the Ossis would prefer it in Poland under PiS (anti-foreigner...anti-woke etc.)! That way the reparation question could be solved once and for all and Germany would get rid of the AfD-problem! :)

Yeah....the mood in Germany had been better....

Geez, that's "a bit" extreme solution! :)

However, I suppose it mirrors the general mood in Germany to some extent. Hopefully, in 6 weeks PiS will be gone and things will start going back to normal. *fingers crossed*

...well....our current gov won't be gone till in two years...so....

*fingers crossed*

Latest forecast in Saxony - AfD 36% 🤮

What an excellent idea, perhaps PiS should suggest a referendum to be held in Eastern Germany... though we are definitely not taking Berlin though! You can keep that!

Nonsense. Just create East Germany again, and sign Friendship and Security Agreements with Russia and China.

As Russians, we will pump you so full of cheap energy it will be coming out of your ears. The Chinese will open their entire market to you, with minimal barriers only enjoyed by the likes of Russia and Mongolia.

Within twenty years, the emaciated West Germans will come begging for you to admit them.

We would ask, only, that you provide some of your machine-building know-how, and excellent expertise in complex optics.

Ha ha, not going to happen. Why don't you give up Królewiec and Belrous and you can keep Smoleńsk!

If you do that, we could think about making East Germany great again..

Nun ja....if that goes on here you should find this know-how and these experts elsewhere as they are leaving Germany....

But should the AfD ever come to rule interesting times could be waiting ahead! (If they are not all only loudmouths)


Oh please do!!!! :)

Belarus is a sovereign country, we cannot gift what isn't ours. So it seems we are giving away Kaliningrad to the Poles, so that the Poles can give Silesia to the Germans. What exactly is the interest here for Russia?

You have to admit, to us Slavs the East Germans are a much closer people to us than the Wessis - who are essentially complete strangers. With Prussians we lived together for nearly a thousand years. Now these poor people are in trouble - it is our Christian duty to help.

....yes....we poor Prussians.....HELP! *makes big puppy dog eyes*

(Do we get our flag back???)

There you go East Germany, Putin or PiS make your mind up.

And PiS if you are reading, please come and takeover England, we'll do anything you want!

.....hmmm.....Putin is not really trustworthy and PiS hates Germans.....what to choose....

Sure, only the crown would be down as it used to be..


stop supporting our dear potato moose, Bielorusy would want Poland not Russia..


You can stop being poor under German rule and become once more a proud, rich and free Royal Prussia.

@Bobi, @BB, @Iron

Guys, are you insane? Prussia was the main spiritus movens behind the partitions of Poland. Let them remain in history books and nowhere else!


Oh, you mean Königlich-Preußen - a vassal of Poland. Uffff... for a moment I thought you lost your mind there. *huge sigh of relief*

Come on...

A Pole as intelligent as you, has to admit - this was a special country.

They were very special. Not a country with an army but an army that had their own country.

Russia would still be a great empire without the lands of Polish partition and Austria would still be an empire without their piece of Polish cake. Prussia, however, would remain only a local power without the lands they took from us, so they pushed for partitions like crazy. Forgive me if I don't think about them with my usual tolerant kindness. ;)

Truly, they clawed their way to greatness, by tooth and nail.

eh? That wasn't that diffcult, given vaccum of direction and political drive in IRP./

.....starting out as a small, sandy state without any resources to speak of, besides their people....not bad at all....

And partitioning was a thing till 1945, you know.....I doubt future Prussia will do it again, promise!

Well, if that's a promise - where do I get this Prussia Fan Club Membership Card? ;)