Should Poland face its moral responibilty for taking part in NATO and Islamic league`s attack agains

Only Serbian Vuk Jeremic as UN secretary general can prevent rain of sh**.

well, when Arab mujaheedines were uploaded in the game, Serbians little bit lost their nerves. Then, sh** happened. Lesson- never side with mujaheedines against Serbians.

You tend to over-idealise Serbs and selectively recall only those incidents that support your stereotypes. This is how it actually was:

At the outset of the Bosnian War the Serb forces attacked the Bosnian Muslim civilian population in Eastern Bosnia. Once towns and villages were securely in their hands, the Serb forces - military, police, the paramilitaries and, sometimes, even Serb villagers - applied the same pattern: Bosniak houses and apartments were systematically ransacked or burnt down, Bosniak civilians were rounded up or captured, and sometimes beaten or killed in the process. Men and women were separated, with many of the men detained in the camps, where many were tortured and killed. The women were kept in various detention centres where they were mistreated in many ways including being raped repeatedly.

wrong Poloniuse. Again wrong. Serbians were first attacked in Bosnia, same as in Croatia, Kosovo.

But we shall prevail. Southern gates of Sarmatia won`t fall.

Maybe Serbs shouldn't be in Bosnia in the first place. Slavs once lived up to the River Elbe but no-one in Poland is demanding that Germany abandon those lands and hand them over to Poland. Over time, things change.
If the post-Yugoslavs had had any sense, they should have first of all corrected their internal borders to eliminate or minimise ethnic enclaves such as the Serbian and Croatian Republics of Bosnia -- always a source of potential trouble. Instead they started attacking one another. Everybody sinned, but the Serbs were the guiltiest of all. No other post-Yugoslav nation had perpetrated an atrocity comparable to Srebrenica.

Serbians are native people in Bosnia. Its their fatherland. After all, if there was no Serbians of Bosnia, Polish Jadwiga wouldn`t be born, because she originate from Bosnian Serbs.

This isn't the Middle Ages! Think of all the lives destroyed, the suffering and destruction just because ex-Yugoslavs succumbed to their primeval, barabric instincts rather than using their brains. Each of the bigger nations was out to create a Greater Serbia or Greater Croatia at the expense of the rest, And what did it achieve? More death, mutual hatred, distrust and suspicion and no guarantee it won't repeat itself in future. Notice that Poland after 1989 did not try to reclaim Lwów, Grodno, WIlno or Żytomierz. The Balkan peoples were apparently not that bright, had an obsession about what went on 500 years ago and paid a high price for their folly.

Polonius3 " Notice that Poland after 1989 did not try to reclaim Lwów, "

You make a fair point there Pol, After all the USA gifted that part of Poland to Stalin after WWII as part of the Yalta agreement, Who in their right mind would stand up against the will and might of the USA, after all the bill of rights stops at the US border, the rest of us are fair game to be traded to the highest bidder, in Lwów's case it was Stalin who was the beneficiary

The sick, senile and enfeebled FDR did. He thought being nice and accommodating and making jokes about Churchill would dsiarm, tame and soften Stalin -- a major mistake, Had it been Truman and Churchill, things would probably have turned out quite differently.

No matter who much you try to downplayy, sidetrack or minimise what actually happened and regardless of who was first attacked, no other ex-Yugoslav nation perpetrated a genocidal crime to match the Serbs' Srebrenica.

why would you as English desire that and even dare to tell it publicly, while i who live in Serbia such a thing wouln`t tell neither to Bosnian Muslim, neither to somebody from Croatia. For a Bosnian Muslims i even feel compassion, considering that we Serbians see them in their reality- as Serbs of Islamic faith (some of them admits it, some not- those who are completely consumed by universalism of Islam). i may fell that they have wrong religion for this part of the world but, it would never be reason for me to hate them or to desire their killing. For somebody from Croatia, i would feel even less hostility because they are Christians. For them i have confusion in myself. Many today`s Croats just generation ago were Serbs, no matter Orthodox or Catholic. So, i can`t decide to hate Croats when i know reality of situation- most of people there just fear to exist as Serbs, due to their deeply germanized ruling elite. Even those who are real ethnic Croats are pumped with hate by their pro-German elite.

What i want to tell you, your English brain is totally brainwashed by your own government, since your birth and your entire life (while you have absolutely wrong perception of Serbians, again exactly thanks to your criminal government). But, not only Russians. It is same mechanism that triggering hate on Poles, on everything Slavic. That is because you English have words such is `slovenly` for example that is used to describe less worthy people, insulting word.

Only true historical mistake of Serbians is that we believed in alliance with England. At that same time when we believed in England, English lords were selling us to the Turks, Germans and communists. Everything to cut our progress, to cut us in minces and destroy us.

and you dare to giving advice to the Ukrainians?

Look, i would support if Russia one day come to liberate Scotland from English yoke. i would consider that as something natural.

In any case, when comprehend situation in all its magnitude, it sadness me when see what happened and still happening to our civilization. From the culture and people spread on inter-continental level we are reduced on separated islands of resistance to the foreign invasion, as well as resistance to each others. Its hard to tell what would be final outcome. Shall we all extinct and fall to assimilation and extermination or shall we prevail? But i know one thing. That is, we have duty to endure as longer as we can, with confidence that we can win. Any civilization have that duty. We owe it to humanity.

In universe, everything have its end. Also, its beginning. What warms me, seams to be even hard to tell what is the end and what is the beginning.

same Greater Serbia that was suggested by the Polish Prince Adam Jerzy Czartoryski? That one? Poloniuse3, when you open yourself enough and learn what needs to be learn, best years of your life would be behind you.

Anyway, rise of Vuk Jeremic, his candidacy for top UN position and diplomatic rise of Serbia is best proof that motor strength of Slavic civilization live in Serbia. Its that old healthy core that won`t allow final destruction of Slavdom. We don`t see that health neither in Russia, neither in Poland. Nowhere among Slavs.

So, Ukraine would be under the Serbian influence. That would work.

We all know about Germany. BVut insatiably land-greedy and aggressive Muscovy -- whether tsarist, bolshevik or Putinesque* -- has long been known for its Drang nach Osten, Western, Norden and Süden. It has subjugated one nation after another under the tsarst scepter or the hammer and sickle. Forutnately some of the -stans 8includign Kazachstan) are now nominally indepedent but still controlled by Moscow economcially or via behind-the-scenes blackmail and pressure. Others like the Chechens have the misfortuante of being part of the Russian Federation which will not let them go. Slavdom is no miraculous panacea that makes Slavic nations anymore prone to cooperation and mutual consensus than any others. It is still national self-interest, dog eat dog and the stronger and cleverer wins out in the end.

*This term always reminds me of "spaghetti alla puttanesca", an Italian pasta dish "in the style of a prostitute"!

Yes, Russia also needs more of Serbian influence. You, too.

You mean you want me to dance with males in a circle to wailing Turkish-style music, hate Croats, Slovenians, Macedonians, Albanians, Bosnians, Kossovars and Montenegrins, regard war criminals as national heroes and glorify and glamourise Serbia much beyond what that obscure little Balkan country deserves. Dziękuję, postoję! (No thanks!)

No hate in Serbian influence. You still react by the instincts as you were programed by western European and USA spin doctors.

Still I think Greater Croatia would be better.They have a nicer country with a beautiful seacoast, a less Turkic culture (they don't dance in male cirlces do they?), are Catholics and are closer to general Central Europe vibes.

Just for example. Let us presume that you are Polish. Now, let me give parallel example of what are Serbs and what are Croats.

Imagine that some foreign power wants to weaken Poland, to divide Poland from within. Imagine that Protestant Poles (or Silesians) or maybe better example- Orthodox Poles declare that they aren`t Polish but some other people with new name, similar to Polish but still different. Imagine that they at the same time keep using Polish language. Then, considering that they want (and that some foreign sponsor pushing them) even more to differ from Catholic Poles, imagine that those Orthodox Poles declare that language which they using isn`t Polish but some other language (by the name of their new nation).

When Catholic Poles respond and say- ``wait, some people among you still are Polish but you forcing them to have new identity`` - comes the accusation that Catholic Poles wants Greater Poland
When Catholic Poles respond and say- ``you using our Polish language and label it as some other language. You stealing our language, our culture`` - comes the accusation that Catholic Poles wants Greater Poland
When Catholic Poles respond and say- ``listen, after all, be what you want, go wherever you want, just let us talk about borders between us, so that we can live in peace and coexist as good neighbors`` - comes the accusation that Catholic Poles wants Greater Poland
When Catholic Poles respond and say- ``why did you ally itself with foreigners and committed genocide on us Catholic Poles`` - comes the accusation that those are Catholic Poles who are aggressor

All those accusations backed by foreign power, backed by media pressure that demonize Poland and Poles in mass media so that complete truth looks reversed.


That seacoast was attached to Yugoslavia thanks to Serbian efforts (not a single Croat died for liberation of it from Germanics or Italians) and because at that time Dalmatians were ethnic Serbs, no matter Catholic or Orthodox. Then comes the foreign pressure and delusion.


Serbian circle dances (kolo) isn`t Turkic but Celtic influence. Actually, Serbians are Celts (ie Sarmatians, ie Slavs).


There are Catholic Gypsies, too.


Rather, closer to Germanics.

I wonder if Atch will agree. Of course, if you go back far enough we are all part of the human race, even Kossovar Albanians. But your exaggeratedly glorified view of Serbs reminds me of a joke about how the Soviet schools under Stalin taught kids that the mototrcar was invented by Fordov and the light bulb by another Russian inventor -- Edisonsky.

you are influenced by Anglos. That is why you joking with identity of other people. Its that corporate view of thinking. Put on your back and chest corporate badge and walk around, brainwashed from any other identity. See, that is why Eurabia coming so natural.

Maybe for you. You don`t live in Poland. But in Poland, let me inform you, right winged Catholic Poles giving greatest support to Serbia. Its because they have absolute and truly absolute confidence in Serbians. They know that there is no any historical reason not to trust to Serbians.

Yes, they are aware of ``Catholic`` dimension of Croatia but, if you ask them with whom would be their children safer, with Serbs or with Croats, they would tell you, with Serbs. Who would sane among Poles trust to deeply germanized member of Croatian society. But Serbians. They are fanatically loyal to Poles over Sarmatian connection. Its for us above religion. Not to mention that Serbian Orthodoxy tolerate our pre-Christian universal Slavic customs dedicated to ancestors.

You know nothing Poloniuse3.

I have always been an anti-WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant). WASPs wer resposnible for America's worst features -- bringing and keeping Negro slaves, importing, underpaying and maltreating Chinese coolies to do back-breakng railway construction, killing off the Indians, destroying the bison population and the environment in general in a rampage of uncontrolled industrial expansion....

Who told you that? Sounds like yet another Harryesque lie!
You may find a handful of hobbyists who meet and pray to Śwaróg, Śiwatowid or one of those, but most Poles are totally uninterested in Slav or Sarmatian myths and know and care little about Serbia. And certainly do not hold such thigns above Catholicism. Have you ever been to Poland?

i got impression.


no, they don`t.

Just, they tolerate Serbian feelings because history convinced them that are Serbians trustworthy, that our feelings bind us to Poles. For me as a Serbian its a great honor by the Poles, consider that i know their deep connection to Catholicism. For us Serbians is important that Poles quite well balanced their Slavic (Sarmatian) tradition with Catholicism. We don`t ask for more.

Since when have the Russophilic "heroes" of the Srebrnica massacre been trustworthy? They can be compared only to PF's chief liar.

Pardon. You are brainwashed behind repair and its not alright from you to speak about Srebrnica. As for Russophilic, i can inform you that my penis speak all Slavic languages, not just Russian. Many ladies of our Slavic White Garden can confirm.

Maybe Dreamer Girl or Dozy Mae (aka Delph) is Slavic. Check it out!
But Srebrnica is an everlasting stain on the Serbian soul just as the genocidal Wołyń massacre was an act of Ukrainian infamy.

A lie can`t become true just it suits to Britain. Genocide in Srebrenica happened on Serbians. Genocide committed by worse Arab and Bosnian mujaheedines supported by NATO. Then, General Ratko Racow liberated area but later chaos occurred and sh** happened (but not to Muslim woman and children who were saved thanks to Ratko`s orders). Sh** woulden`t happen if mujas didn`t try to escape in NATO bases.

How many Serbs did Bosnians or Croats or anyone else massacre in one place such as Srebrnica? What was the body count?