Germany. SPD coalition with CDU/CSU leaves party youth out? What it means for Poland?

@Ziemowit

We did not attack roman empire. Rome attacked german lands and got its own medicine.

The whole story is more complicated. Arminius [Herman] tricked Romans and lead Roman Legions into a trap so they could get slaughtered by savage Teutons in Teutoburg forest. That battle has also contributed to the fall of Roman Empire, which was on many levels the greatest empire ever known to humankind.

Arminus was accepted and trusted by Romans and he became a Roman knight, yet he betrayed them. Germans have lost a historical chance to become a civilised nation under Roman ruling and they are still savages since then.

Arminius....my hero! :)

He kicked the mighty Roman Empire at its height...without the victory in the Teutoburger Wald Europe would look and feel differently today....one of the most important battles in european history, definitely in the Top 5!


Oh Spikey, he and his brother came to Rome as hostages. The positions and rank in the roman army he achieved was despite not because of his background.

Just imagine he would had been a polish freedom fighter against the invading Germans, how would you gush over him. But as German fighting for the freedom of his own people makes him now a traitor.....your anti-german bias gets ridiculous!

Interesting! Till now I pegged you as someone who wanted his people free of every overlord, of every foreign influence, no matter who, no matter the price....I guess I was wrong.

But it seems it's only the german one you disapprove of. If it would be another powerful foreign empire you would probably offer your services gladly to help to chain your people and let them be ruled (aka becoming a civilized nation).

Not such a proud independent Pole anymore....what a shame!

No excuse, though Milo!

You don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, do you? There were plenty of valiant Poles during WWII along with plenty of stinkers! There were scores of

Jews who were truly innocent, others, who (Holocaust or no Holocaust) were criminals, just as with any other people.

The reality is that the Jews had been deemed by demagogues throughout Germany, from Stoecker and Ahlwahrt up through Hitler himself, as some foreign host body invading the host organ and other assorted bilge.

The Enlightenment failed in Germany to take root as it had in France or England, thus, the soil was rife for foul-mouthed haters to spew their filthy message of survival of the fittest, eliminating the "weak", and muscling their way into communities like a human juggernaut, destroying everyone in their path, truly like heathens, barbarians without a scintilla of human conscience, worse even than the most savage animals.

Sorry there, Milo. No rationalizations justified.

For that we had Luther and the Reformation....

@Spike31

Why you start in the middle of the story? Romans slaughtered their way up to Rhein River and oppressed 1/5 of german lands. Arminius himself was taken hostage by the romans as a child.

Rome was a tyrannical regime.

And beside tgat, Germany is the only civilized country in Europe. Ever visited Italy?

The word "Polish" should be capitalized.


And you were right, but we are not talking about Poles right now. We're discussing a subject of a clash of Roman Empire with Germanic tribes. It's always interesting to discuss alternate history timelines and scenarios.


Poles are already a civilised nation :-) And the only one in Europe which refused any offers from Germany to form an SS division and collaborate with Germany during WWII.

Right, B.B. and the whole concept of "secular piety" (Weltfroemmigkeit) mixed in with Kantian reason were among the ingredients in that whole toxic brew which made a Hitler possible in the first place.

@Weimarer,

You do like to revise history and play victim, don't you!

Well...we wouldn't communicate in English now for one, had Arminius supported the Romans to do with Germania what they had done before to Gaul.


And that's why is your judgement of Arminius such an unbelievable one.

Instead of being objective (and you can only admire the man for his achievement), only the fact that he was a German is for you reason enough to downtalk him.

That's just incredible small minded, petty and unworthy of you, sorry!

At the rate we're going, if Germany had won, we'd still be speaking Chinese!
lol

Sounds good to me. Latin is a beautiful language. My mother speaks Latin and I'm very fond of it.


If you're trying simple shaming techniques to make me start admiring Germany your efforts will go in vain I'm afraid :-P

Latin is dead....seems you would need a time machine or another Dimension to be happy.

Maybe an omen for your other plans you have for Poland? Heh:)


Nah, that was the Treaty of Versailles....


Nope, I think everybody reading your post will see that first hand.

I had my thoughts about you but now it has become clear....you have a chip with all things Germany on your shoulder. Everything you say or plan is founded in that.

You are neither objective nor do you have the best interests of Poland in your mind. Only your hate for all things Germans.

I can't help you with that as arguments and facts fall on deaf ears. You have to overcome your obsession yourself....good luck!

@Lyzko

Revise history?

You denie that the romans conquered German lands?

You denie that they made Germans slaves and took german children as hostages?

You kmow what? The fact that it was our people who crushed rome makes me proud.

Here we can agree! :)

@Spike31

Explain to me why i should celebrate my people enslaved?

What good would it be when romans take me as a 8 year old, away from my family and bring me to rome?
Why should i support romans insulting my people, my culture. Destroying families and robbing evrything of value?

You know that the romans died a horrible death in the forest? It was no open battle. The romans feared the forest. There was dense fog. They called it the sea of trees. For days they got silently killed one by one.

After few days some if them managed to reach an open place and build a camp. The germans did not follow. They waited in the forest. The romans knew they were there. As they had to move on, our ancestors started attacking again. Until no one was left alive.

You don't understand...when Germans do this to Poles it's horrible (and rightfully so), when its Romans doing it to Germans its good and brings civilization to Germany. And in no way are Germans allowed to fight against such civilization-bringer....all traitors!

Welcome to Spike's world! :)

Actually, there are few German things which I like J.S. Bach, Beethoven, Goethe, Schiller, Nietzsche...

And now you name a single Polish composer and a single Polish poet (without checking the internet first)


And what if in the best interest of Poland is to shed off German domination in Central Europe. Just like for the best German long term interest is to shed off American presence in Europe. Have you ever thought about that?

What makes ot so sad is...that Germans dont care about Poland...while you are crazy about us and wish us to be enslaved.

Dude you have issues.

We are getting somewhere. That's exactly how Germans behaved in Poland during WWII but worse and on a much greater scale.

Over 200 000 Polish childrens were kidnapped and never returned. Millions of citizens were killed. The culture, and anything of value, was not only insulted but also robbed and destoyed. And just yesterday you wrote that Poles are a beggars [for expecting compensation].

I'm a Pole on Polish forums. You are a German on Polish forums who claims that he doesn't give a damn about Poles and Poland. I've got issues?


Some things needs to be said straight and clear. It clears the atmosphere and puts things into right perspective and gives it right proportions :-)

Mate,without you posting a link to what I posted,I don't have a clue what you are talking about....
And therefore can't respond.....cheers mate!

@Spike31

Oh really? You know how many people were killed by rome in their attempt to conquer Germany?

And yes, you are beggars if you want money from us.

Or do you say we should demand compensation from Italy?

You did not answer my questions.

Explain to me why i should celebrate my people enslaved?

What good would it be when romans take me as a 8 year old, away from my family and bring me to rome?
Why should i support romans insulting my people, my culture. Destroying families and robbing evrything of value?

By the same logic I can call Germans thieves and murderers. How does that sound? And it's not just my empty accusation, it's all documented.

Because of this German arrogance there isn't, and it won't be, good relations between our nations.

I have posted before about this German Arrogance and had vitriol from,mainly German,posters.
But it is there and definitely exists.Even though Germans can't see it.

@Spike31

I dont care what you call us.

Also what worth have your documents, when i look on it, laugh and bite into a apple while turning around and move on?

Dude...i dont care about your history, what happened to your people. It does not touch me in any way.

You either grow up and act friendly or stay a beggar and thats it.

Your problem is that you hate us, but you are powerless to get revenge. So you stomp on the ground like a little dwarf.

Look comrade, honesty is important. You can show me some massacre pictures and i will tell you, that it touches me not the slightest.

Seeing it creates same feeling for me like reading the telephone book. It doesnt bother me, doesnt impress me and i simply dont care.

Once you accept that, things will get easier for you.

Yep it does , I was once in a nice restaurant in Austria and as we left no one (Apart from the wife) put their chairs under the table, suddenly a guy pipes up from across the isle (They had been ear wigging our conversation all night) what about the chairs?, I said what do you mean about the chairs, he said you should put ze chairs under ze table, I could'n help myself and said "We won ze war so it's your job to put ze chairs under ze table"

I apologise profusely to my German friends here on the forum, I couldn't help myself, but they were stuck for words after that.

Yes, it's unbelievable. And on top of that they are thinking that they are doing us a favour. Impudent krauts :-)

Thinking of it, in a long run Britain will be better off after Brexit. The EU "elites" are trying to scare Brits with this whole "no deal Brexit" but that just a hoax.

All that Britain needs is a politician with a strong will, some kind of modern Margaret Thatcher, to make few radical changes.

Let's say Britain leaves the EU with "no deal" in 2021. Which means no more EU rules and restrictions. London regains power over its taxation system and considerably LOWERS taxes (including VAT), basically making a whole country a special economic zone. The biggest one in Europe. The one that others cannot bully and easily influence since the UK has considerable army and nuclear capability.

In a half of decade the UK would have 3x economic growth compared to eurozone. Once the others would observe positive changes for Britain the idea to leave the EU will grow more popular.

The biggest concern of those EU neo-marxist is that Britain would do that and attract investments at a cost of dying eurozone. They are the ones afraid of no-deal Brexit for a good reason.

The biggest mistake that Britain could make would be leaving single market and not changing its economic system to a more competitive one.

Arminius is a deeply fascinating subject because there are so many different ways how you can interprete his actions. The fact that we only have heavily biased (Roman) sources over him (and to make things worse, historians can not even agree on how biased they are), yet he left a very significant mark in history.

Personally I think that he was a very gifted politician and general, and that there is little point in moralizing his actions. The Romans were incredibly brutal in their conquest, but from what we know, the Germanic tribes were hardly different when they fought each other. The Romans had every reason to think of him as a traitor, (because from their point of view, he owed allegiance to them) and Arminius had no doubt little problem to justify his betrayal.

Define beggars? I think you are have problems with your vocabulary. Beggars are people begging for money random passerby's. Those who take you to the court and claim money from you are not beggars as they do not beg random people, they demand money in the court of law from the people that are not random. Spot the difference.

By the way such a lose use of the world beggars can easy backfire into your face. As an Ossie you are a son of the beggars, aren't you? If you receive any sort of support from a state, you're a beggar too.

As you see your usage of the world make no sense.


Depends on a definition of civilization.