Germany. SPD coalition with CDU/CSU leaves party youth out? What it means for Poland?

Two sentences, four errors. Please, never tell another guy that his English is bad.

@Tacitus

Arminius was taken hostage as a child and taken away from his people. He did not betray anyone. Its like saying Natasha Kampusch betrayed Priklopil, when she ran away.

Absolutely!

How he unified the higly independent tribes to leave their squabbles with each other behind to fight a much stronger enemy together is nothing short of a miracle! (Even only a shortlived)

We could need someone like him today, heh:)

PS: About the betrayal....look what happened to Vercingetorix! He tried to beat the Romans at their own game with their own means and rules and he lost. Gaul lost and became romanized!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vercingetorix

Arminius didn't and he won!

His father swore allegiance to Rome, which was standard procedure at the time. The weak submited to the strong, and the strong could expect loyalty for sparing them. Modern morales do not apply in a situation like this.

Thats not "modern morals". Basic morals never change.

The romans were foreign invaders who brought a brutal tyranny. Arminius was taken as a hostage, take away from his own family and people.

He obviously was too old when the romans took him. Apparantly he always knew, who is has to be loyal with and remembered his people, when they needed him.

Taking germanic sons as hostages proved to be the romans big failure. It turned against them and saved Germany from the fate all the others suffered that were destroyed by rome.

The best thing is, how Varus died a horrible and shameful death.

Spike - you seem to ba a smart guy. How can you say such a thing? No other country has helped Poland so much since 1989 as Germany has.

We had their full political support in our attempts to join the EU and NATO, we received substantial amount of money in structural funds, and other economic help. In 2002 they have given us 128 Leopard tanks with full equipment and ammunition; they were 15-year old, but they came from their military reserve, so they weren't used up or neglected - the market value of the equipment back then was over a billion zlotys, and we paid symbolic 1PLN for them. It introduced a whole new quality into our panzer forces. Everyone expected the tanks to be in very bad condition, but they were practically as new. We also got 23 MiG-29 fighters for a "symboliczna złotówka". Our farming in the west of Poland practically depends upon German new/used agricultural equipment. We get 50 billion euro surplus in trade exchange with Germany every year (they could very well buy those trains, gas turbines, engines or furniture elsewhere, but they get it from us - partly for economic reason, but partly as a part of their unwavering politcal/economical support). Just a couple of examples off the top of my head. I don't even want to imagine what would happen if our relations indeed turned bad one day.

Of course, there is the issue of Nord Stream, which is difficult, but apart from that Germany has been our most stable and dependable ally for the last 30 years (and I can't say that about ANY other country in the world). Surely that must count for something!

It's all political. The master in Nowogrodzka says that there must be poor relations with Germany, so therefore he proclaims relations to be poor. There's a distinct lack of critical thinking and plenty of propaganda from him.


I'd argue that Poland would never have joined the EU in 2004 if it wasn't for German support, especially in the late 1990's and early 2000's when it looked like Poland wouldn't be part of the 2004 wave. There were some huge questions then, and let's not forget about how Germany pushed and pushed for Poles to be given visa-free access to what became the Schengen zone in 1991 even when there were issues with Poles working illegally in Western Europe.

Nowogrodzka has nothing against good relations with Germany. They are not idiots -- they realise how important those relations are. The only centre of political power that sees its vital interest in weakening German-Polish ties (and the EU in general) is Kremlin, and there is an entire army of internet trolls (I'm not saying Spike is one of them) hired to undermine the EU and bilateral relations between Poland and her neighbours, on top of all the official propaganda (RT News, Sputnik etc.).


Spot on, Delph. As I said -- our most reliable ally for the last 30 years. Thank you, Germany!

Maybe not on a personal level, but on a political level, they've used Germany to further their political aims.


Oh, for sure. They've also got plenty of useful idiots, like Korwin-Mikke and his teenage supporters.

They use anti-German sentiments still present in the older generation to score some brownie points in hope that it will earn them extra votes, but in real politics they won't do anything to weaken our ties with Germany. If they do, it will mean that they indeed ARE idiots (but I don't think so).

I hope so....I really do....

A Germole till death! :)

A Polger till I die! :)

....yeah....we still have to work on the naming! :)

It does seem so. The subject of war reparations from Germany comes and goes. For instance, I have not heard anything on that for several months. Last time the Polish media were talking about it, it lasted for a very short period and then the issue suddenly evaporated. One may perhaps expect it returning before the Polish parliamentary election this year (between 12 October and 12 November).

Even the issue of the Polish bison who recklessly swam across the river Oder to the other side one day and was subsequently killed by hungry Germans somewhere around the town of Lebus (this medieval Polish town of Lubusz called "gate to Poland" was effectively lost to Germany in 1250) emerged once again some time ago (shouldn't the cost of the meat be included in future reparations?) beacause some lawyers in Brandenburg declared the killing illegal which was contrary to what was declared earlier on.

True, Ziemowit, but ohhhh' so entertaining, if one is mature enough NOT to take it at face value! Who among us is perfect anyhow?

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That only proves that Germany and Germans are incapable of holding a dominant role in the European politics. The real test of a character comes in the moments of crisis.

Indeed. And where other countries failed, Germany passed with flying colours. When other countries were more concerned with scoring some easy domestic points with cheap xenophobia, Germany acted to keep the EU together.

When the other countries have defended their cultural integrity and safety of their citizens, Germany has carelessly invited over a million of illegals, some of them of unknown origin and without any documents.

And when the damage was done the officials have admitted that it was a big mistake right from the begging.

reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKBN15D0CO

Germany should have shot them at the border....then Spike would be happy!

Start vetting them.
Do DNA tests on these people and send them back to the country they came from if they don't have proper documentation.
It's going to take awhile to clean this mess up that Merkel made.
It can be done though.
A DNA test and a one way air ticket is a lot cheaper then the welfare and crime these "opportunists" are threatening your country with.

I would be happy if Merkel didn't invite them in the first place with an "open borders" policy.

And then if Germany didn't try to send them to other central EU countries under a threat of the EU sanctions.

It was a disaster, but let's look at a bright side: it weakened dominant German political position within the EU, it consolidated the V4, it gave patriotic and nationalist right-wing parties fuel and opportunity to grow, it woke up a Polish society to a dangers of multikulti policy.


It going to be very costly and time consuming. And I don't believe that the whole problem will ever be solved in 100%. The government will probably just make few 'spectacular' moves, like some deportations of the most radical element, to fool the society so they could be elected again.

I knew you would come around...

That's what you do with Invaders...

You are waaay behind in tracking libs' madness. Now, even convicted criminals are not deportable.