Poland - Serbia etc. thread

Very simple. Decent means a patriot who felt cheated and betrayed when Russia annexed Crimea and aided the rebellion in Donbas. Most of Ukrainians are like that today and to control Ukraine like the Kremlin wishes, it would have to launch an open invasion. That means war and an Afghanistan style trap for Russians. Ukraine is lost for Russia and denying it is senseless.


Do contemporary Ukrainians divide themselves into such categories? What are you talking about?

there was no 'rebellion' in Donbas, it was an invasion by non-Ukrainians (that the feckless locals didn't put down in time as happened in Kharkiv and Odessa).

That is how two different ukrainians with family in the area described it to me.

As far as I know, local pro Russian Ukrainians formed militias which overtook government and other public institutions. Foreign aid came later.

Did you ever visited Ukraine in person? There is large difference between Russians of East and South, transkarpatian Rusines, and Galitians who pretend that their local dialect is "real ukrainian language". And "Cossack blood" mentioned in anthem, while there is zero such "blood" in Galitia (Austro-Hungarian slaves not intermixes with Cossacks of East).

Donbass never speaked so called Ukrainian in history, and was a province of Russia, as well as Crimea. And, please, do not call Russians from Donbass and Novorossia "pro-Russian Ukrainians". There is nothing Ukrainian, except Lenin decree, that transferred that lands to newly created Ukrainian republic "to dilute conservative peasants of central Ukraine with progressive proletariate of eastern industrial regions".

Hmm, I would like to do that but some facts raise my doubt, e.g.,According to the Russian Imperial Census of 1897, ethnic Ukrainians comprised 52.4% of the population of region, whilst ethnic Russians comprised 28.7%.[12] Ethnic


I see. Quite possible.

Before using something from Wikipedia as a argument, look at source closely. Highly politized book written by Japanese author that probably not even know that first imperial census DOES NOT had questions about ethnical descent at all. There was questions about religious confession and native language. And all three major dialects (Belorussian, Malorussian and Great Russian) listed together as Russian language.

There was no word "Ukraine" at all, and "Malorossian" is not translated directly into "Ukrainian".

these were like the "ukrainian" guys in green uniforms in Sevastopol.... I've heard this from two ukrainians (who don't know each other) with family in the area (one of which still has a cousin who crosses the front line two or three times a week...

They almost told you truth - most of population of cities in Donbass is ethnic Russians.And this land was Russian province before ~1918.

As for that Japanese author, I don`t know what you mean.

There is nothing about it here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire_Census

Secondly, no question about ethnicity, only language and faith in the census. And you suggest that polled people who spoke Ukrainian were Russian, right? OK. Then it means that the 7 million speakers of Polish were not Poles but Russians speaking Polish. Right?

Actually, you copied your quote from "Donbass" Wikipedia article, and reference 12 there is "Hiroaki Kuromiya (2003). Freedom and Terror in the Donbas: A Ukrainian-Russian Borderland, 1870s-1990s. Cambridge University Press. pp. 41-42. ISBN 0521526086."

Now about relation "Malorossian" to "Ukrainian". Malorossian dialect of that times was quite far from modern "enforced" ukrainian language based on polonized galitian dialect (Galichina was in Austro-Hungarian empire at that time if memory serve me correctly, not even yet taken by Poland).

There was quite weak edge between Malorossian and southern sub-dialects of Russian (Great Russian or Velikorossky). Same spoken phrase may be classified as Russian and Malorossian by different people.

And once Central Rada declared Ukrainian Authonomy in 1917, Kerensky government declined Central Rada "authority" over 5 regions where population were predominantly of Russian descent (including newly populated from central Russia former Wild Field areas, after threat from Crimea was ended). Later Lenin decided that it may be beneficial to "inject" some pro-Bolshevik population to Ukraine (a form of so populqr now "election meddling", just like dems do with illegals now) and Donbass with Novorossia was connected to new Ukrainian republic.

This is not related to poles living on territory of modern ukraine at all.

I see.
As for that link with Japanese context, yes, now I know why.

I think it is time to get back on topic, Crow will be angry that we hijack his thread. Sorry, Crow.

Go to genesis of this. Genesis since maiden. It means that Germany and Co. outplayed Russia in Ukraine. See, Russia won`t like it and there would be respond and there are many in Ukraine who do know that Russia was born in Ukraine.

So, to shorten this, we again coming to possible solution that includes formation of three new states in what is now Ukraine. Or two.


Not at all.

Place of Poland and Polish troops is side by side with Serbia and Serbians. Any other option is just pollution of sacred ground of Poland, shame and corrosion on the venerable face of Poles. With us Serbians Poland was greatest and will be greatest again.

Racowie wait for Poles!

Poles will never stand side by side with murderous Serbs.
You can forget your genocidal dreams Crow.

Most of Plastic Poles will never stand for Poland anymore - you are tied to another country and have severe conflict of interests. Just like Canadian Ukrainians that prefer to love their utopic Motherland from another hemisphere.

You are completely deluded with anti-Serbian propaganda. You would rather trust to one mujaheedine, ustasha, German Nazi or imperial English then to one Serbian.


Exactly. He don`t give a sh** for Poland.

I would rather trust a Croat,German or Brit than any Serb.

Of course you would trust them when you aren`t Polish.

My blood is 100%;Polish.
Do you have a problem with that?

Spot on!

Only 100%??? You worm.

And my blood is 300% Polish.

Plus, being Polish is a state of mind. Your mind deeply faltered here and you publicly aren`t recognizable as Polish.

Collapse of NATO alliance will start from Crna Gora, rather sooner then later. Ongoing turmoils.

Rejoice Poles. Serbian lands will reunite and Serbia will be strong again. New Golden Age of Poland coming.

Sarmats awake!

Why should NATO collapse/break up because of Montenegro? I didn`t hear any worrying news from the region.

Should Russia prepare one more spare Patriarch and build new tower in Kolomna Kremlin?

I understand the nice allussion to Kolomna Kremlin but this patriarch is ambiguous - do you mean "Lie-Dimitri" ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_Hermogenes_of_Moscow

Crna Gora would be first to abandon NATO and all set of other NATO members such are Albania and Greater Croatia would be first to be kicked properly. NATO failed to recognize reality in the region.

Now, NATO maybe won`t collapse because of all that but will get lesson that non can police the world without consequences.

And guess what, Trump knows this already and don`t give a sh** for imperialistic German, British and French projects that using NATO as coverage, while milking USA to pay for that. So we had Corey Lewadowski here and consolidation of Serbian control of Bosnia and Herzegovina and as I heard, Serbian Milorad Dodik- President of Bosnia and Herzegovina spoke yesterday and today with Hungarian Orban. Milorad is person capable of talking to Serbian Vucic, Russia`s Putin, Chinese Xi, representative of US Trump and Polish US diaspora- Lewandowski and Hungarian Orban in 3 days.


You lost me there. What new Golden Age of Poland have with spare Patriarch by Russia? Yes, indirectly Russia helping by resisting to NATO and western Europe but, Russia isn`t in control of lines that connects Poland and Serbia and Poland`s Geo-strategic situation that would result when Serbia fully consolidates. Its absolutely out of Russia`s domain. Polish-Serbian relationship always took in account lines of interests from Baltic to Balkan, while Russia profited on it historically because Russia couldn`t ask for better obstacle to western Europe then it is united front of Poles and Serbs. Still, Russia can live without that united front but we can`t live without it. In history, Russia learned to respect common Polish-Serbian projects. Sometimes, unfortunately, learned it harder way. Sure, not that we didn`t pay the price. We did.

On insistence of Polish company Intechplasta, special protective boots for NATO will be from now on produced in Serbian company Tigar.

Looks like you have to read more history books, Crow. It is good idea anyway, literacy in history greatly helps to read between the lines. ;)

When Serbs say something, Russians understand it perfectly clearly. That I know.

And I see that you Poles needs brotherly punch in the face to stop to look at Russia and think of Russia when you talk to Serbians. We have OUR business to do and no time for distractions.

better than the brotherly serbian snipers in bosnia, I guess...


Serbia has no business