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AntV
24 Jun 2021  #241

Poor Hungary...sad to see them go--Germany was lucky to stay alive. Germany is flat, but they're like a mild rash that won't go away.

Even sadder that Poland exited...maybe more time under Sousa will yield better results in the future. I'm beginning to understand Polish pessimism more and more with each passing tournament.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jun 2021  #242

Germany is flat, but they're like a mild rash that won't go away.

We have seen three Germany's so far.....against France, against Portugal, against Hungary, it has always been like a totally different team.

I have no idea which team comes out to play in Wembley!

I'm beginning to understand Polish pessimism more and more with each passing tournament.

I truly don't!

Poland has all the same mental and physical qualities Germany has...with first class players (Lewandowski).....they even lend some to us (Klose, Podolski, heh:).....but they somehow never make it big....WHY????

Miloslaw
24 Jun 2021  #243

I have no idea which team comes out to play in Wembley!

Me neither, it will be interesting.

.but they somehow never make it big....WHY????

Interesting question.They did have some very good teams back in the seventies though and did well.

mafketis
24 Jun 2021  #244

they somehow never make it big....WHY????

The pattern I noticed years ago that they might play very well up to the point where the other team scores.... and then they completely fall apart. Is that related to a culture of pessimism? I dunno, mebbe. It's a pattern I've noticed more in Poland than in the US: put in a pretty good effort and then quit the very first time anything goes wrong.

On the other hand I read somewhere that there's a pretty direct (not perfect but still pretty consistent) of hours of sunlight a year and quality of soccer teams (since it's best learned and perfected on outdoor fields) which is why smaller countries in the south of Europe often punch well above their weight and why Russia (for example) despite a distinguished sporting culture and a large population is consistently pretty mediocre. They usually qualify and maybe make past the group stage and then crash out.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jun 2021  #245

culture of pessimism?

But.....why?

They didn't lose the last World War! ;)

of hours of sunlight a year and quality of soccer teams

...hmmm....I would guess western Poland should have the same kind of sun hours like eastern Germany at least....

mafketis
24 Jun 2021  #246

But not the euros.... financial investments can make up some for the sunlight deficit (like Germany, Netherlands or teams from the UK)

gumishu
24 Jun 2021  #247

They didn't lose the last World War! ;)

there is a Polish saying: kpisz czy o drogę pytasz?

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jun 2021  #248

financial investments can make up some for the sunlight deficit

True dat! :)

kpisz czy o drogę pytasz?

....definitely asking!!!

AntV
24 Jun 2021  #249

We have seen three Germany's so far.....against France, against Portugal, against Hungary, it has always been like a totally different team.

You could even say within a single game we see three Germanys.

Poland has all the same mental and physical qualities Germany has...with first class players (Lewandowski).....but they somehow never make it big....WHY????

Hence, the pessimism. Quality, but still fall flat. It begins to feel like you're cursed. Few months back I read an interview with Sousa, and he made the point that his first order of business is to get the team to believe they can win. I liked some of things I've seen from this team, so I'm optimistic about 2022.

play very well up to the point where the other team scores.... then they completely fall apart. Is that related to a culture of pessimism?

But, they didn't fall apart yesterday when things went bad, they kept their composure and fought hard until the end.

there is a Polish saying: kpisz czy o drogę pytasz?

Is that translated as: The war we lost twice?

But not the euros.... financial investments can make up some for the sunlight deficit (like Germany, Netherlands or teams from the UK)

But does financial investments give national teams that much better an edge? It certainly does with the clubs--you can buy talent from all over the world. But, not so with national teams.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jun 2021  #250

financial investments give national teams that much better an edge

I think so yes!

More money can buy better players, that brings clubs high into the national and international competitions = so also the homegrown players can gain invaluable experiences at the highest levels, play with and against all the famous hot shots and bring all that knowledge back to the national team!

Lewandowski for example has won it all on the club level with Bayern München...

transfermarkt.com/robert-lewandowski/erfolge/spieler/38253

Crnogorac3
24 Jun 2021  #251

euro

Whoever wins the match between England & Germany at Wembley has a pretty much clear path all the way to the final!

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jun 2021  #252

I wouldn't discount the Swedes!

AntV
24 Jun 2021  #253

@BB

So, it's more about the national teams that have more players who play in the best leagues?

@Crno & BB

I also wouldn't discount the Dutch.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jun 2021  #254

So, it's more about the national teams that have more players who play in the best leagues?

It's only logical, isn't it?

A talent is forged in the fire, against the very best.....

....just in....in the worst case there will be barely any german fans in Wembley! All guests need to be in quarantine first (till up to 10 days!!!) + a negative QCR test...

And the travel back won't be any easier...till up to 14 days quarantine before they can enter Germany again (even with negative QCR test, also for already vaccinated people)

Crazy! 😒

AntV
24 Jun 2021  #255

It's only logical, isn't it?

Completely logical!!! Also means it's not a matter of the financial resources a national team has at its disposal, because players develop at the club level not the national team level, correct?

Crazy! 😒

Very!

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jun 2021  #256

Absolutely!

The clubs make the player, the calling into the national team is after all only the cherry at the top. A player wouldn't be chosen without having made a name for himself already, and where does he do that? In his club of course.

Of course, if the national team has some money it can invest in the whole training environment, in specialists, clothing, busses, hotels and all that, it won't hurt! :)

AntV
24 Jun 2021  #257

..in the worst case there will be barely any german fans in Wembley!

So, you're predicting your countrymen to make it, at least, to the semis?

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jun 2021  #258

I think we will go out....

AntV
24 Jun 2021  #259

Maybe you should go out, but I'm thinking it's you Deutschers and the Dutch in the semis. You Deutschlanders have a football horseshoe stuck up your a$$es. :D

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jun 2021  #260

We lost that "horseshoe" in 2018.....and this time it's not exactly a "dreamteam" either.

At least it's the last game for Löw, after him we have a real chance for a new beginning!

Na ja....lets wait and see :)

AntV
24 Jun 2021  #261

We lost that "horseshoe" in 2018

Nah, you simply misplaced it. :)

Have they already named Löw's replacement?

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jun 2021  #262

Yup...Hansi Flick! He is already poised and ready to take over! :)

(He was there 2014 in Brazil as Löw's assistant....and later chef coach by Bayern Munich)

Novichok
24 Jun 2021  #263

How much do they pay to watch a bunch of multimillionaires running after a round ball? With all that money, can't they get one each and be happy?

AntV
24 Jun 2021  #264

Sounds like the type of pedigree and results to make German fans content...for now.

Miloslaw
25 Jun 2021  #265

Whoever wins the match between England & Germany at Wembley has a pretty much clear path all the way to the final!

I was thinking the same thing.

AntV
25 Jun 2021  #266

I would too, but the Dutch occupy the same path--that makes the path less clear, IMO.

Lenka
27 Jun 2021  #267

Poland fighting for gold in volleyball Nations League. First set for Poland :)

Joker
27 Jun 2021  #268

First set for Poland :)

I hope they win! Powozenia!!

Lenka
27 Jun 2021  #269

2-1 fir Brazi and the last set really didn't look good for us :(

Miloslaw
27 Jun 2021  #270

I hope they win!

What Poland lack in football skills, they make up for in Volleyball :-)


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