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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it



Harry
6 Aug 2014  #2041

Other possibilities:
a) they were kept in the largest Ukrainian weapons stash, which the rebels captured... or maybe they didn't, no one knows it exactly

The Buks captured by the terrorists were not operational, as both the terrorists and the Ukrainian government agree.

b) they were stationed at Ukrainian barracks, which the rebels captured

The Buks captured by the terrorists were not operational, as both the terrorists and the Ukrainian government agree.

c) Ukrainian soldiers changed sides with their equipment

No Ukrainian soldiers equipped with Buks changed sides, as both the terrorists and the Ukrainian government agree.

d) the equipment was bought on the grey market

There is no grey market for Buk missiles. If there was, AQ or other terrorist organisations with large funds would have used them in the past.

e) the Ukrainian army shot down the plane

If there was even a shred of evidence to support that, the Kremlin's propaganda dept. would have made sure it was all over RT, Itar-Tass, RIA Novosti, etc. But there isn't, so they haven't. Instead reliable sources say that the missile came from terrorist-held land.

f) the plane wasn't shot down by a surface-to-air missile but by something else, like a jet figher

If there was even a shred of evidence to support that, the Kremlin's propaganda dept. would have made sure it was all over RT, Itar-Tass, RIA Novosti, etc. But there isn't, so they haven't. Instead reliable sources say that the missile came from terrorist-held land.

FlaglessPole
6 Aug 2014  #2042

encore :)

The country imports more than 40 per cent of its food. Russia, with vast areas of arable land, has the potential to be a net food exporter but the lack of policies fostering investment in agriculture ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union has left the sector fragmented, under-equipped and financially weak.

Magnit, Russia's largest food retailer, said there was little scope for replacing Polish apples with Russian ones because domestic suppliers lacked the storage and logistics facilities for bringing theirs to market across the vast country. "Consumers are likely to opt for calorie substitution - that means they'll eat more bananas and pears when the price of apples goes up," said Timothy Post, director of investor relations at Magnit.


  • putinapple.jpg

Harry
6 Aug 2014  #2043

another 438 ukra soldiers asking for asylum

And yet another of gregy's lies gets nailed, this time by the OSCE

The OM enquired about the transfer of the servicemen from RF to Ukraine and learned that 192 were already on their way by bus to Ukraine and that the others would follow in the next bus. The Observer Mission also enquired about any asylum request and none was reported.

un got rebels on terrorist list?no

That would be because the UN doesn't keep a list of terrorist organisations, it only has a list compiled pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1267 of persons and entities it has determined to be associated with Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. You fail yet again gregy.

Palivec
6 Aug 2014  #2044

It was available to all. Though the Putinists in the east and in the Crimea voters intimidated . Nevertheless, the election was judged fair by observers.

Many people in the east couldn't vote, and as far as I remember observers already judge elections unfair or illegal if much smaller problems appear, like opened ballots boxes or shortened opening times.

BTW: you probably don't know this, but right-wing groups in the Western Ukraine intimidated voters (and politicians) too, but strangely the West doesn't care too much about these groups...

You can say that about most politicians. At least he didn't flee to Russia with millions in cash like his predecessor.

No, his millions are probably in Austria.
The Ukraine is a oligarchy, and he, just like all other oligarchs, used the political system to increase his wealth.

Plenty is known and all possibilities point very heavily to the Putinists being behind it.

Really?
online.wsj.com/articles/mh17-pieces-with-shrapnel-like-holes-osce-says-1406230555
How exactly do shrapnel-like holes for example support the missile theory? The Russians mentioned a second plane on their radar.
Sorry, but nothing is known, you just blindly believe one side. I can't believe that people, after the babies in Kuwait, the the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and Operation Horseshoe, still trust our governments in these situations.

jon357
6 Aug 2014  #2045

Many people in the east couldn't vote

Every single Ukrainian citizen was entitled to vote.

as far as I remember observers already judge elections unfair or illegal

They judged it fair.

The Ukraine is a oligarchy, and he, just like all other oligarchs, used the political system to increase his wealth.

That's a matter for him and the voters who chose him.

Really?

Yes really. The murder of the airline passengers by the Putinists has been subject to intense scrutiny. Your theories are irrelevant.

johnny reb
6 Aug 2014  #2046

f) the plane wasn't shot down by a surface-to-air missile but by something else, like a jet figher

Yup two of them because some of the shrapnel holes from the same side (left) of the planes cockpit are going in and some are coming out of it. (Bullets from two different directions)

youtube.com/watch?v=7ze9BNGDyk4
Looks like they were aiming directly at the pilots with great accuracy as rittled as it was.
A missle would have hit the plane any place.

Velund
6 Aug 2014  #2047

Putin bans agricultural imports from sanctioning countries for 1 year

rt.com/news/178484-putin-russia-sanctions-agriculture

FlaglessPole
6 Aug 2014  #2048

saw this one in Warsaw today:


  • achtung.jpeg

Crow
7 Aug 2014  #2049

Interview of the internationally famous Serbian filmmaker, actor and musician Emir Kusturica to the RT, in time before started conflict in Ukraine - point at the new form of the Drang Nach Osten

MUST SEE

Kusturica: Why does NATO still exist? To fight terrorism? It's laughable!

youtube.com/watch?v=Q9nM2cHmbjk

Emir Kusturica
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir_Kusturica

saw this one in Warsaw today:

Its abominable. Warning to Poles in German language in the middle of Warsaw, against Russians.

But, that is NATO. EU even more. What is EU if not Germany

gregy741
7 Aug 2014  #2050

criminal units of fascist junta tortured 3 Ukrainians reporters,cus they refused to hand over bottle of whiskey:

3 Ukrainian(!) journalists were kidnapped by one of the NatGuard battalions, tortured, str.ipped from clothes and all possessions, and were let go naked in the field.

After that all Ukrainian media reported that they were kidnapped by separatists.

jon357
7 Aug 2014  #2051

criminal units of fascist junta tortured 3 Ukrainians reporters,cus they refused to hand over bottle of whiskey:

Do you actually believe all that sh1te from youtube?

gregy741
7 Aug 2014  #2052

errrrrrr...its ukrainian 112 tv speaking live with one of those jurno by phone.
o my god!!!! Ukrainian tv is invaded by gru,fsb and specnaz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh no!!!! Ukrainian jurno is lying probably poisoned by Putin himself..we all know its impossible right sector Nazis would never beat anyone.
oh,must resist,,,quickly watch CNN and avakov twitter,,must resist Putin propaganda...ukra nazis are good vegetarians,love animals and help elders cross streets

i give you one example how western "independent"media is working.
some time ago some ukra soldiers crossed border,some asked for asylum saying they were betrayed by Kiev.
Kiev denied and said soldiers only retreated cus of saving life and no asylum applications were made.not to mention soldiers reported horrible conditions and starvation in ukra army. Kiev denied so

Russian authorities invited all western media to rostov to talk to soldiers about it...all of them save bloomberg refused.
they dont want to report truth,,only if suits them

youtube.com/watch?v=5f7jw5j1ACw

June 4th. Soldier of National Guard tells his story about war in the Eastern Ukraine. His unit was sent to Lysychans'k, Luhansk Republic. In the end he was left behind by his own men. His unit was executed by Right Sector for refusing to shoot civilians and for retreating.

man i watched maybe 50 those kinda interviews,interrogations,ect.
try sometimes,or stick to CNN ,SBU and avakov ****...

Harry
7 Aug 2014  #2053

saw this one in Warsaw today:

Isn't that the corner of Solidarnosci and pl Bankowy, right by Kino Muranow? I'm pretty sure I saw the same poster on the corner of Nowogrodzka and Parkingowa, in between Kufle and Piw Paw a couple of weeks back.

Its abominable. Warning to Poles in German language in the middle of Warsaw, against Russians.

Good to see that your utter ignorance of all things in Central Europe extends to languages. Here's a hint for you: 'Russia' is not a German word.

gregy741
7 Aug 2014  #2054

dunno why mod removed this very very important information about mafia like behavior of major Ukrainians politicians,so here we go again:
Kremenchug mayor assassinated,attempt assassination on Lwow mayor..now Kernes(kharkiv mayor) says Avakow behind assassination attempts,nazi methods,criminal mafia like ruling Ukraine. oligarchs killing each others:

kh.vgorode.ua/news/232221/?009

Kernes gives "honorary citizens of Kharkov "to two citizens of Russia.at his first council meeting after assassination attempt ..
don't remove this.this is very important to understand what we are dealing with in Ukraine...criminals at highest offices

Harry
7 Aug 2014  #2055

some time ago some ukra soldiers crossed border,some asked for asylum saying they were betrayed by Kiev.

The OSCE has already nailed that lie gregy, you need to find some new lies to tell.

Szalawa
7 Aug 2014  #2056

730,000 Ukrainians seek safety in Russia
cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-conflict-730-000-have-entered-russia-to-escape-fighting-1.2727574

FlaglessPole
7 Aug 2014  #2057

and so it begins:

Two major state-controlled Russian banks have turned to the government for nearly $4 billion to shore them up after they were excluded from Western capital markets last month as punishment for Russia's support of Ukraine's separatist militias.

Gazprombank and Rosselkhozbank, Russia's 3rd and 5th largest lenders, have requested the aid, business daily Vedomosti reported Thursday, citing unidentified state officials and bankers.

themoscowtimes.com/article/504730.html

Crow
7 Aug 2014  #2058

Ukraine could support idea that Serbia mediate between Ukraine and Russia dispute, indicates Ukrainian diplomat Oleksandr Kirichenko. Ukraine accept neutral stance of Serbia in case with sanctions to Russia, thank to Serbia for support of Ukrainian territorial integrity. Also, Kirichenko confirms that Ukraine won`t change its stance in case with partition of Serbia- Ukraine won`t recognize Kosovo. Serbian president coming to Ukraine.

Peace to Slavic children!

Thanks to God for this news from Ukraine. Seams that we Slavs aren`t totally incompetent. With Mother Slavia in our hearts and minds we shall found scent. Slava!

BELGRADE -- Ukraine cannot ask Serbia to impose sanctions on Russia "due to the fact that it is not a member of the EU," says Ukrainian diplomat Oleksandr Kirichenko.

He pointed out that it was encouraging to hear that Serbia supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine, adding that it was also expected, because Ukraine has always supported the integrity of Serbia.

Kirichenko claimed that Ukraine will not recognize Kosovo, "despite the neutral stance of Serbia related to the EU position towards Russia."

Commenting on the fact that President Tomislav Nikolić offered to mediate peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, Kirichenko said that they heard this not only from the Serbian president, but also from Daèić.

"The role of Serbia is very important because of its presidency next year over the OSCE. To us such support of Serbia would be very important so that Ukraine can find a real way out of a very serious crisis, on the basis of international law, and preserve the territorial integrity and wholeness," said Kirichenko.

He added that "President Nikolić is expected to officially visit Ukraine by end of the year."


The OSCE has already nailed that lie gregy, you need to find some new lies to tell.

Next year Serbia taking things in its hands, when take presidency over OSCE. Timing can`t be better. Non-Slavs should just f*** off and let Slavs deal with problems within Slavdom.

Harry
7 Aug 2014  #2059

Ukraine could support idea that Serbia mediate between Ukraine and Russia dispute

Given the fact that your Chetnik scum have taken part in Russia's illegal invasion and occupation of parts of Ukraine, it is more than slightly unlikely that Ukrainians would accept Serbia as a neutral mediator.

Crow
7 Aug 2014  #2060

There are people of Serbian origin Harry, in Ukraine. You know that. In chaos that occurred, anybody who tried to threaten or molest those Serbs would be penisized by Chetniks. Now, those people are safe.

As for Serbian mediation in talks... why Ukrainians wouldn`t accept it? You heard what Oleksandr Kirichenko said. Kirichenko is wise.

Seams to me Harry, that you simple can`t accept fact that Ukrainians, Russians and plus Poles trust to Serbs. Reason is obvious. Non-Slavs such are Germans, Brits, French,... historically aren`t trustworthy. Serbs are.

Harry, next time you sit in some cafe-bar and drink, please think about me. Imagine that we sit and drink. After you pay the drink, imagine that i paid. Will you :)

Harry
7 Aug 2014  #2061

There are people of Serbian origin Harry, in Ukraine.

Stop lying: the likes of Milutin Malisic are Serbian, not Ukrainians of Serbian origin.

anybody who tried to threaten or molest those Serbs would be penisized by Chetniks.

Interesting that you admit Chetniks think that raping people is legitimate warfare.

Harry, next time you sit in some cafe-bar and drink, please think about me. Imagine that we sit and drink. After you pay the drink, imagine that i paid.

I don't drink with people who defend those who commit genocide.

Crow
7 Aug 2014  #2062

Harry, i am shocked and appealed by that what you just said. i now clearly see that are you totally deluded by media propaganda of EU/NATO leading powers. You are victim Harry, of their spin doctors, trust me. i would pray for you... to put cross on myself.

4 eigner
7 Aug 2014  #2063

Harry, i am shocked

of course you are, Crow.

Crow
7 Aug 2014  #2064

sure i am. i sensed some reason (tiny but wtf) in Harry and then he attacked me that violently.

4 eigner
7 Aug 2014  #2065

then he attacked me that violently.

yep, Harry can be pretty darn violent when he faces nonsense, I know ;-)

gregy741
7 Aug 2014  #2066

look at this guys...unbelievable..and its everyday like that army beating and torturing civilians,hows that not a war crime?.:

youtube.com/watch?v=JOZko3JLmCYjqf2gVDm2BU

banderist sadists..nothing changed

Harry
7 Aug 2014  #2067

You got that one right, Gregy, that is impossible to believe, and for a very simple reason.

gregy741
7 Aug 2014  #2068

look at this lier:

The OM enquired about the transfer of the servicemen from RF to Ukraine and learned that 192 were already on their way by bus to Ukraine and that the others would follow in the next bus. The Observer Mission also enquired about any asylum request and none was reported.

nd yet another of gregy's lies gets nailed, this time by the OSCE

and now osce full statement:
The Observer Mission also enquired about any asylum request and none was reported. The cell phones of the 72nd brigade commander and border guard commander were not reachable to confirm this information.

harry just "forgot" second part of this sentence.
they didn't nail **** harry,you lies failed as usual.there are no osce in Rostov lier.
" total of 437 servicemen (including 147 border guards) crossed into the RF "
" learned that 192 were already on their way by bus to Ukraine"
what happened to rest of them???looks like they not in hurry to come back to fatherland..cant blame them,nazi **** doesn't even feed them.

gregy741
7 Aug 2014  #2069

geeezzzzz
how is that not a war crime???????ppl are living there ffs!!!!


  • nazi pigs job in donetsk

Velund
7 Aug 2014  #2070

I don't drink with people who defend those who commit genocide.

You drink only with those who praise persons who committed genocide as national heroes ?

youtube.com/watch?v=oAggZDvNFMg


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