Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

i know. But, let us remember. In any case, THOSE people don`t represent Ukrainians.

probably you right,tho i am yet to meet a single west Ukrainian who condemn it.even their government doesnt

people are now disoriented and confused in Ukraine. In agony. They had right to resist to Russian domination (point on people who feel ethnic Ukrainian) but, they now founded themselves manipulated by west of Europe and USA, that plays with Ukrainians as with pawns, for their own selfish strategic interests.

Russia should help to that people. Russia can and should do more. Must found way. Same goes for Poland. i am absolutely disappointed with Polish leadership in this matter. Stance of Polish leadership proved that is Poland itself victim of manipulation by the EU/NATO leading powers. But again, Russia has its share of responsibility in this situation.

As for Serbs. i don`t know what to say. In one hand i am satisfied with stance of Serbs, even proud. Serbians seams to be last free Slavs, capable to tell truth to the Russians, as well as to the hostile non-Slavs. Still, it also proved what i already knew about my people... that is very suicidal.

Here are a few (exact # of coffins was 31 sent back to Russia at the end of May) you didn't take into account. Actually Russia didn't want initially to take them either. They even disrespect whomever they sent, their dumb citizens:





Here is Cargo 200 (aka dead bodies) of Russians going home:



Crossing Ukrainian border into Russia:



And this is just one trailer that was followed by a journalist.

lol...so now SBU working for Putin,spreading propaganda about those number of russians in captivity.lol
and what you stupid excuse of response suppose to mean?wow
big thing,you show some images of 15 coffins and 7 bodies,not even certain they are of Russian citizen.and even if so,no one here claimed that Russian citizens don't take part in this conflict.

the evidence i posted was they are(Russians) small minority,and most seps are locals...your stupid few images doesn't proof nothing,but that you are delusional

what a FAIL again..pathetic

Here is an excerpt from a report made by a Russian journalist from Moscow and the full article in the link below:


atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/direct-translation-russia-s-fighters-in-ukraine

Donetsk airport disaster was vostok battalion,this were most "Russian" battalion in DPR. not sure it still exists after this disaster. there were few Chechen s there,but most got killed .

at beginnings of this conflict true,there were many Russian citizens,quite significant by %maybe 30-50%,but now,even tho volunteers are still coming from Russia,most rebels now are local based people.

to think,after several months of this conflict,SBU detained only 11 Russian citizens,even i was surprised of how small number.

Could the downed Malaysian plane be another gulf of Tonkin?


eurasiareview.com/04082014-malaysia-flight-17-shot-oped


"The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile."

macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25843/53

This is the hallmark of everything the Putinists are doing.

yes i know that about this osce statement,also those account of this German aviation expert,Haisenko.he also claim that those holes are from jet 30mm cannon.

tho i didnt take this serious since SU 22 cant fly so high to use cannons..it could by someone sprayed wreck with some gun on ground ,after it was downed.

need to wait till investigation finished.but in the other hand,Ukra has some flankers who can reach 10k easily
wonder why British haven't revealed stenograms from voice recorded cockpit..i was hoping to hear from pilot what tey saw..for some reason it take long to reveal any details from black box

That's just about the limpest conspiracy theory I've heard about this. Not even the Putinists are so daft. Then again, they did suggest that the plane was the same one that vanished near Australia and was flying packed with corpses...

well,if the wreck wasnt damaged by bullets on the ground,then the only option is Ukrainian jet shooting it down,those bullets holes were not made by bad weather..unless osce is lying and working for Putin.

man those kiev fanboys are funny.now jon 357 actually support Russians finding without even realizing it.lol


i see more insults again....why da ******** allow this...ffs!!!!!this is 3-th day today him and flagless insulting people here...over and over
if you have nothing to add here but insult,go post some other threads.

U.S. media refused to fly to Rostov on a meeting with Ukrainian military:
camps are being build for Ukrainians military refugees in Rostov. more to come,seeking asylum and shelter :

ria.ru/world/20140806/1018955396.html

Here's an example of that, one of your fellow Putinists dealing with an old woman in Crimea who wants to express her view about Russia invading Crimea.

youtube.com/watch?v=dJgV9HWbL1Y


This particular thread was much better than it has been, specifically between 24 July and 3 August. But then gregy's family came back from their summer holiday and now this thread is clogged up by ranting about Nazi Junta apes from a child who doesn't know what the words Nazi or Junta mean and appears to be dedicating himself to giving credence to the Polack jokes he hears told in his country.

That pretty much sums it up. What I don't understand is the idle stance of our moderators, because this is not the case of me having issues with someone's contrasting views and opinions. Even though I do not agree, for example, with f-stop, barney or polson, I don't mind their contributions, on the contrary, they provide a welcome platform for a discussion, that may or may not, at times, become somewhat heated yet tends to stay within the norm. However what gregy does is nothing short of flushing this thread down the toilet, evidently with the full bessing of our moderators.

death to murderers of donbass and volhynia: unknown people vandalized illegal monument of UPA in Poland:

Why is it that Polish neo-nazis so love to vandalise graves and monuments?


Stop lying gregy, that monument is not illegal.


I have no idea why they allow it either.

Probably because they know people feel compelled to challenge the lies and so the site keeps as active as possible. I myself tend to leave when people like this start spewing their bile all over the forum. It's impossible to argue with them, and the more their nonsense is exposed, the more lies they find to propagate.

Absolutely. Even their dead they treat like garbage.


Yes, this is certain. Unless you consider Cargo 200 to be part of Ukrainian produce exports to Russia.


When in one day 31 terrorists who are Russian citizens are killed in a Ukrainian airport, it means the minority is not that small.

Oh please. The last president was a oligarch, just like the curent one. But the current president, who won a "election" which no democratic country would accept in other circumstances, does what the West wants, that's why we support him.


I still live where I always lived, and I didn't say that one side is better or worse than the other. This conflict isn't about the Ukraine, it's geopolitics and both sides are guilty.


According to my sources the West sanctions Russia because Russia "had not fulfilled the conditions laid down by foreign ministers last week, to stop the supply of arms to the rebels and provide full cooperation in the investigation into the shooting down of flight MH17".

This is as wishy-washy as the sanctions against Poland. Neither can Russia or the EU prove that Russia supplies, or doesn't suppy, the rebels, nor is it clear how this "full cooperation" should look like, since the disaster happened in the Ukraine and not in Russia. It's just blabla to find reasons to intensify the conflict.

The present leader at least won an election that was considered fair, and I don't see crowds on the streets of Kiev screaming for his removal. The last 'president' poisoned one opponent, jailed another and then did a runner with millions in cash.


Sounds pretty clear to me. No spurious rubbish from the Putinists about apple hygiene. (they've done this sort of thing before with Polish imports, in case you hadn't noticed).


That's the last thing they want.

That is neither wishy nor washy: it is a concrete statement of why the west is acting, not a blatant and patently obvious lie such as the one which Russia used when banning the import of Polish apples.


Let me guess, the terrorists bought their surface-to-air guided missiles at the same cornerstore where the little green men in Crimea bought their equipment, right?

Thanks, gregy. You've provided the impetus for me to sign out and do some work.

wonder,what happened with yarosh?havent heard about him for weeks or months even ,he use to be major figure back few months ago.and he had conflict with Avakov. wonder if hes still alive.


you welcome,anytime mate

Exactly. Why allow yourself to be supplied by the aggressive dictatorship next door who support you to the hilt when you can get the materiel off Ebay.

pure comedy,lie detectors used to test police loyalty to junta,10-15% policeman loyal to fascist regime:
en.itar-tass.com/world/743738
"90% of the Interior Ministry's senior officials both in the center and locally had been dismissed as a result of purging":
en.crisisua.net/ukraine-interior-minister-wants-replace-20000-policemen-countrys-east

tell me this is not totalitarian fascist regime.
acquired power by violence,now conducting purges and assassinations.prosecuting people who make critical comments towards regime ,on social networks.

A election which only happens in some parts of the country isn't a democratic election.
The Ukraine is a deeply divided country; your argument about the crowds in Kiev just proves that you don't understand the fundamental problem of this country.

And the current president is a political ***** who was always on the right side, he is part of the system that produced this mess. Until 2013 he was the minister of trade.


Other possibilities:
a) they were kept in the largest Ukrainian weapons stash, which the rebels captured... or maybe they didn't, no one knows it exactly
b) they were stationed at Ukrainian barracks, which the rebels captured
c) Ukrainian soldiers changed sides with their equipment
d) the equipment was bought on the grey market
e) the Ukrainian army shot down the plane
f) the plane wasn't shot down by a surface-to-air missile but by something else, like a jet figher

See, nothing is known, there are several plausible possibilities, but despite all this you are absolutely sure that only the rebels with their missiles from Russia can be blamed. You blindly believe the propaganda of one side. Sapere Aude, Harry.

Both the websites you link to are Putinist ones.

What would be the point in that? You clearly have no idea at all what the words 'totalitarian' 'fascist' or 'regime' mean.

It was available to all. Though the Putinists in the east and in the Crimea voters intimidated . Nevertheless, the election was judged fair by observers.


You can say that about most politicians. At least he didn't flee to Russia with millions in cash like his predecessor.


Plenty is known and all possibilities point very heavily to the Putinists being behind it.

hehe nice

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