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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it



gregy741
5 Mar 2014  #1

ok..here we go...
Is it just me,or its something very strange,almost surreal,the way the media,polish politicians and world leaders react on this crisis.like some madness

2 things...i want to focus on...right sector and Crimea

1.there was no peaceful,pro democratic protests there!!!! but some very extreme fascists riot for god sake!!!!in the very first day 14 policeman died,13 of them from gun shot.

go visit militaryphotos.net and you will be shocked how different this "protest"was being reported in media.those bandits were heavy armed.

those "protesters"have demanded south east Poland to be incorporated to Ukraine,and they openly glorify Bandera.
they have no democratic mandate,Janukovitch was the one who was elected not Bandera thugs.
yet..all we hear is about "all Ukrainian people"struggle for "freedom and democracy"BS
they broke all law and constitution,illegally acquired power through armed,violent coup
2.lots of news about evil "pro janukovitch oligarch" yet...all richest and corrupted oligarch are the ones closely tied with tymoshenko and with opposition.

and there is Crimea.
region with small Ukrainian minority,passed to Ukraine soviet republic by some mad Ukrainian communist named Khrushchev. Crimea with massive Russian population,long historical ties,now living in extremely and openly anti Russian state,with fascist bandera thugs as a ruling government.who just passed anti minority laws to prosecute and discriminate minorities in ukraine

Ukraine has no historical justification for Crimea being in Ukraine.nor people there wants to be part of this state.not to mention,their democratic rights were not respected when Janukowitch was kicked out his office.

yet..against,truth and facts and logic all politicians and media seems to be so extremely determined to cause a civil war or 3 world war..some major politician in Poland (Palikot)calling for war against Russia...madness!!!!

they call Putin a mad man...but i find him very reasonable in what he speak and reason his action.those UE and polish politicians like Sikorsky seems mad to me.do the want war??!!!

whats your thoughts?
Xromium
5 Mar 2014  #2

Spot on
Except for Putin - He is as much a bandit as the rest of them
Kowalski
5 Mar 2014  #3

and Putin has absolutely the right to invade any country where Russian speaking mother and children are engendered, particularity the countries that once were under protection of Russia. These are not Russian troops in Crimea, the uniforms were bought probably wholesale on Internet so until now we haven't seen Russian troops in Ukraine -yet. Russia is fully democratic country and could decide and car who should and who shouldn't be a president of another country that is particularly valid for the temporary country like Ukraine.

:)
gregy741
5 Mar 2014  #4

thats the source of the problem.if you read what i wrote you would see that Crimea shouldn't never be part of Ukraine in the first place.they have no historical right to hold this region.nor ppl wants to be part of it.

in this perspective,Putin is doing right thing, not to mention that Putin wants a democratic referendum in Crimea not incorporating it.Ukrainians want to keep it without historical justifications ,ppl free will and not respecting their democratic choices and rights
Kowalski
5 Mar 2014  #5

No doubt Putin is a champion of democracy and Russia should decide on referendum or fate of the problematic regions of another countries. It did so successfully solved problems in Georgia, which should be an example. International agreements are for pussies not Russia, which because of its size matters most. After all like Putin said falling of USSR was the greatest disaster of 20th century - not 1st WW , not 2nd WW, not holocaust but the fall of wonderful, peaceful, democratic and progressive empire.
legend
5 Mar 2014  #6

I agree.
Im still wondering if his incursion was worth it or not though.
The media here is full of ****. I actually hear people calling Putin Hitler.
Its best to get picture of both sides. Listen to some CNN and RT or whatever. Also do independant research to balance the view.

No matter what position you are in when it comes to Russia, you have to see that NATO wants to surround them.
I wish Slavic countries had better relations.
Some people mouths are foaming and they want war. Like what the hell is wrong with some people?!
gregy741
5 Mar 2014  #7

No doubt Putin is a champion of democracy and Russia should decide on referendum or fate of the problematic regions of another countries

i would rather prefer Putin deciding the fate of Crimea and its ppl than Bandera thugs.they decided fate of Wolynian people once
beside Putin wants referendum thus giving ppl of Crimea say.
i see all u got to say is some cynical mumbo jumbo
Kowalski
5 Mar 2014  #8

yea, lets just ignore this Ukraine para-state and its sovereignty, independence. Peace now is what matters most. Did those anonymous "self defense" troops kill somebody in Crimea? NO!! They didn't. Russia is under attack and prevented attack by mobilizing its troops and 100% of Russian parliament agreed to invade if necessary. 100% !!! Where else democracy could show us such splendid result, so homogeneous support.
legend
5 Mar 2014  #9

No doubt Putin is a champion of democracy and Russia should decide on referendum or fate of the problematic regions of another countries. It did so successfully solved problems in Georgia, which should be an example. International agreements are for pussies not Russia, which because of its size matters most. After all like Putin said falling of USSR was the greatest disaster of 20th century - not 1st WW , not 2nd WW, not holocaust but the fall of wonderful, peaceful, democratic and progressive empire.

I have to admit I laughed when I read this... this is sarcasm? Correct?
Kowalski
5 Mar 2014  #10

i see all u got to say is some cynical mumbo jumbo

didn't mean to offend you; my point is that you don't solve any country minority rights problems or territorial disputes by invading the country- there are other forums to put the issues on. Frankly I hope Russia would pay dearly for its aggression on Ukraine.
gregy741
5 Mar 2014  #11

ea, lets just ignore this Ukraine para-state and its sovereignty, independence. Peace now is what matters most. Did those anonymous "self defense" troops kill somebody in Crimea? NO!! They didn't. Russia is under attack and prevented attack by mobilizing its troops and 100% of Russian parliament agreed to invade if necessary. 100% !!! Where else democracy could show us such splendid result, so homogeneous support.

true..Ukraine is an independent state.but its being run by thugs who openly glorify mass murderers,got to power by violent coup.are extremely hostile to 6 milions of Russians citizens,broke constitution,stomped on democratic rights of east Ukraine and its people,they demands territory from Poland with very weak pseudo historical justification for those demands.

i might not be an expert in international politic but to me this is all crazy.its just not right,fair and just.
look at this facts:
east pro Russian Ukraine had endured western Ukrainian and government of corrupt tymoshenko gang before,but once "their" guy won election,he was kicked out by fascists thugs who had no democratic mandate whatsoever.i mean..right sector had 5% vote all together.

as i said,,,maybe i don't understand something here because my knowledge is too low in Ukraine current affairs but its seems all just not just and not fair.thats why i opened this thread to learn from people with different view and more knowledge.

for me its seem bizarre all this anti Russian, world media and world politicians attack on Putin,blow out of proportion.
can you imagine some 1500 fascist killing police in armed riot in London,demanding democratically elected government to step down?
Kowalski
5 Mar 2014  #12

The outrage on Russia aggression is justifiable. It's not directed at Russians but at the Russia of Wladimir Putin.
It's up to Ukraine people to decide who they would elect and what kind of people would form government and what kind of politics they would pursue - not Putin but monitored elections would decide on this.

Out of proportion is claiming hostility toward Russian speakers in Ukraine - it is not happening!
gregy741
5 Mar 2014  #13

Out of proportion is claiming hostility toward Russian speakers in Ukraine - it is not happening!

whats this then?: rt.com/news/minority-language-law-ukraine-035/
Kowalski
5 Mar 2014  #14

good that this law has been canceled by higher legal entity in Ukraine. Any physical attacks just for people speaking Russian were not happening be it Lviv or Kijev or else.
gregy741
5 Mar 2014  #15

my point is that you don't solve any country minority rights problems or territorial disputes by invading the country- there are other forums to put the issues on

what forums and what room for any negotiations are with Bandera Fascists?????
they already demanded part of Poland to be carved to Ukraine.ant they already said that there will be no changes in territorial integrity regarding Crimea.

beside...you said "minority"... Russians are majority in Crimea
hague1cmaeron
5 Mar 2014  #16

gregy741

You sound like a deluded Russian stooge. Russia does not like what is happening in the Ukraine, because the Putin regime knows that if Ukraine's transition proves successful, in 10 years time exactly the same thing will happen in Russia. Because the corruption, sleaze, and general immorality of the of the Russian elite, makes what happened in the Ukraine look like petty theft compared to grand larceny.
gregy741
5 Mar 2014  #17

You sound like a deluded Russian stooge

me deluded?

here breaking news for you:

democraticunderground.com/1017179182

youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

all those sniper killings done by snipers hired by Maidan leaders
they were even shooting own people in order to blame yanukowich. then they kick him out of office because he was suppose to be killing "peaceful protesters"

just come out
am not Russian,but this is insane
hague1cmaeron
5 Mar 2014  #18

all those sniper killings done by snipers hired by Maidan leaders

If you seriously believe this you must the biggest fukc... it town (:
gregy741
5 Mar 2014  #19

i think you are the biggest **** in town.enjoy:

militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236005-Situation-in-the-Ukraine-Crimea-*Photos-Videos*-ONLY
Marek11111
5 Mar 2014  #20

someone said ones just follow the money, does Putin has anything to gain by it? I do not thinks do does U.S. and E.U. with IMF has anything to gain I think a lot. but who is going to loose? of course the people in Ukraine will lose and in case of war the Politicians and their children will not fight just poor people children. it ia amazing how the riots started after Ukraine said no to IMF. Janukovitch should use heave hand before things got out of hand but he choose to appease be releasing the nazi party from jail, his own fault fot negotiating with terrorists. as to Poland I do not see a winning solution if the support terrorists in Ukraine they will be used by NATO similar like they got used by England during ww2 Poland should stay away and get out of NATO.

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