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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it


ShawnH
18 Mar 2014  #91

tell this s..t to Crimean people who are now celebrating outcome of referendum in joy

Does this celebration include the shooting death of a Ukrainian Soldier in Simferopol? The arrest and disarming of soldiers on their base?

I guess considering the illegal occupation of the base by Ukrainian forces, it would be justified, huh?
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #92

Does this celebration include the shooting death of a Ukrainian Soldier in Simferopol? The arrest and disarming of soldiers on their base?

"their base"?????
Crimea is not within Ukraine no more,Khrushchev joke is over
ShawnH
18 Mar 2014  #93

"their base"?????

Theirs for the last 60 years. Armed Russian thugs couldn't wait for the ink on the separation papers to dry before they started shooting.
Marek11111
18 Mar 2014  #94

I guess considering the illegal occupation of the base by Ukrainian forces, it would be justified, huh?

they are all Russians now with illegal emigrants the Nazi Ukrainians.
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #95

and here is another beauty.
we were all let to believe that tatars are pro ukrainian.

"The data we have indicates that more than 50% of Crimean Tatars living in Sevastopol came to the polling stations Sunday," he said. "We also have the information that most of them voted in favor of reunification with Russia."said Crimea Tatar leader

en.itar-tass.com/world/723832
ShawnH
18 Mar 2014  #96

they are all Russians now with illegal emigrants the Nazi Ukrainians.

So how does one, serving in the armed forces of Ukraine, on Ukrainian soil, opt out of being blessed with Russian Citizenship if they are not really interested in it?

en.itar-tass.com/world/723832

Heeey, Kool-aid!!! Drink up Gregy.
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #97

this is all too crazy.
to think,i go sleep tonight and will wake up tomorrow in 3-rd world war started.
Harry
18 Mar 2014  #98

and here is another beauty.

Well, if it's on ITAR-TASS, it must be 100% true.

"The data we have indicates that more than 50% of Crimean Tatars living in Sevastopol came to the polling stations Sunday," he said. "We also have the information that most of them voted in favor of reunification with Russia."

Got to love the way that the authorities claim to know how most of a certain ethnic group voted.

we were all let to believe that tatars are pro ukrainian.

But clearly in reality they would prefer the nation has committed ethnic cleansing against them within living memory, wouldn't they?
bluesfan
18 Mar 2014  #99

Game, set and match to Putin. That was easy...
I don't think the 'travel restrictions' tactic worked this time... oh well... I guess we'll see how the other referendums go in Scotland, Spain and Italy.

The peasants are revolting :P
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #100

But clearly in reality they would prefer the nation has committed ethnic cleansing against them within living memory, wouldn't they?

same goes to Russians living in Ukraine...Wolynian massacre anyone..halo!!!!!
peterweg
18 Mar 2014  #101

gregy741:
from what i heard Poland still cant get gold from before second world war,that was stored in Britain.

From what I hear, you're lying: Poland hasn't asked for that gold back yet. But no doubt you think that Britain should have just let the Nazis or the Commies steal all of Poland's gold.

Yup, he's lying, as the link - he posted - confirms.
Marek11111
18 Mar 2014  #102

So how does one, serving in the armed forces of Ukraine, on Ukrainian soil, opt out of being blessed with Russian Citizenship if they are not really interested in it?

if they want to become Russian citizens the they are welcome to but if they do not they are reside in Russia illegal and need to go back to Ukraine and as of yesterday the Ukrainian army is occupying military bases in Russia so it is a provocation by Ukrainian Nazi gov. to keep them there.
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #103

Yup, he's lying, as the link - he posted - confirms.

could give you lots of links..i am not familiar with what really happened with this gold,am not historian.i know it disappeared or was used to pay for polish goverment in exile

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=153366
Marek11111
18 Mar 2014  #104

i am not familiar with what really happened with this gold,am not historian.i know it disappeared or was used to pay for polish goverment in exile

what happen is the gold was stored in Canada and after ww2 the England charge Polish army and Polish gov. in exile for every bullet for every screw used to repairs for every uniform for every tank for every pencil that Polish soldiers used to defend England.

the payment was done by confiscating Polish gold from Canada.
Harry
18 Mar 2014  #105

if they want to become Russian citizens the they are welcome to but if they do not they are reside in Russia illegal

Just like when the USSR invaded Poland in 1939 and declared that it was part of the USSR right Marek? Then everybody who lived there should have either agreed to be citizens of the USSR or should have left, right Marek?

so it is a provocation by Ukrainian Nazi gov.

There is no such thing as the Ukrainian Nazi government.

i am not familiar with what really happened with this gold,am not historian.i know it disappeared or was used to pay for polish goverment in exile

So read the link you gave us: that makes it clear where the gold is and whether Poland has asked for it back.
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #106

Just like when the USSR invaded Poland in 1939 and declared that it was part of the USSR right Marek? Then everybody who lived there should have either agreed to be citizens of the USSR or should have left, right Marek

lol
cannot recall polish population IN 1939 voting in referendum for joining USSR...IT Clearly showed what cheap misleading and demagogic arguments you use,becouse you have none valid ones
Harry
18 Mar 2014  #107

cannot recall polish population IN 1939 voting in referendum for joining USSR

That would be because the USSR didn't bother with the pretense of being a democracy: they just appointed Polish politicians (such as Wanda Wasilewska) to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and got on with things. The difference was that pre-war Polish communist parties did quite a lot better than the party which Putin has put in charge of the Crimea (Putin's mob polled around 4% of the vote, the Polish communists used to get several times more than that).
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #108

and more lies...stop comparing 1939 aggression to Crimea Crisis...its laughable
Poland in 39 did not asked Russian for intervention,did not support it with 97% votes,Russia had no historical grounds for incorporating Poland.
Crimea in the other hand has not belonged to Ukraine in the past

There is no such thing as the Ukrainian Nazi government.

whats that?
journal-neo.org/2014/03/12/ukraine-how-to-hide-a-nazi-army
Harry
18 Mar 2014  #109

Poland in 39 did not asked Russian for intervention

Ukraine did not ask for Russian intervention.

Poland did not support it with 97% votes,

Ukraine did not support it with 97% of any votes (and neither did Ukraine).

Russia had no historical grounds for incorporating Poland.

That territory had been part of Russia some 20 years earlier. Crimean hasn't been part of Russia for a lot longer than (and was only in the Russian empire because Russia invaded it).

whats that?
journal-neo.org/2014/03/12/ukraine-how-to-hide-a-nazi-army

It's a online news source entirely funded by the Russian government telling lies. It's a pity that you're so gullible and so out of touch with what Poles think.
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #110

It's a online news source entirely funded by the Russian government telling lies. It's a pity that you're so gullible and so out of touch with what Poles think

as i said..you are lair.
i can give you 100s links showing Oleh Tyahnybok doing nazi salute,and there is no shadow of the doubt that UPA was fascist org.Svoboda ppl openly glorify bandera and ukraines envoy to UN stated that Wolynian massacre is Russian propaganda.thay have 5 ppl in Ukrainian junta government

keep trying your lies
Harry
18 Mar 2014  #111

thay have 5 ppl in Ukrainian junta government

How nice of you to admit that you were lying when you said that the Ukrainian government was a Nazi government.

I wonder why you don't attempt to address all the lies you've been called out on above.
Less777
18 Mar 2014  #112

But no doubt you think that Britain should have just let the Nazis or the Commies steal all of Poland's gold.

I'm sure it has been taken a good care of. Britain is famous around the glob for her magnanimity.

Crimean people who are now celebrating outcome of referendum in joy

Majority of Crimea population support a treaty with Russia, that at least is a fact.
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #113

I wonder why you don't attempt to address all the lies you've been called out on above.

ok
UPA is not fascist org,they are some vegetarian peace loving people,Wolyn massacre is propaganda.Ukraine gov.was democratically elected,and Crimea is Ukrainian land since iron age.did i miss something?
Harry
18 Mar 2014  #114

Majority of Crimea population support a treaty with Russia, that at least is a fact.

Says who? The last opinion poll taken during the days of the Yanukovych regime showed that only 41% of people in Crimea supported joining Russia. censor.net.ua/news/273706/za_obedinenie_s_rossieyi_vystupaet_menee_poloviny_krymchan_sotsopros
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #115

Says who? The last opinion poll taken during the days of the Yanukovych regime showed that only 41% of people in Crimea supported joining Russia.

well,i guess that was BEFORE bandera thugs took the power..cant blame them they want to get out now quick
Harry
18 Mar 2014  #116

i guess that was BEFORE bandera thugs took the power.

No such thugs have taken power anywhere.

cant blame them they want to get out now quick

But we can blame Putin for ordering thousands of Russian troops to invade and then ordering a sham referendum be organised under the leadership of a man whose party used to poll in the region of 4% in previous elections.

Still, nice to see you, Greggy, yet again showing your unerring ability to side against both the vast majority of Poles and against historical and present day truth; good skills, sir.
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #117

yet again showing your unerring ability to side against both the vast majority of Poles and against historical and present day truth; good skills, sir.

lol.
am sure majority of Poles wants Ukrainian ultra nationalists who glorify UPA run Ukraine...errr maybe not
Harry
18 Mar 2014  #118

majority of Poles wants Ukrainian ultra nationalists who glorify UPA run Ukraine...errr maybe not

The majority of Poles are rather more concerned that Russia has been allowed to invade and annex part of a country next to Poland, the majority of Poles remember that there are more than a few Russians who think that Poland is just a small part of the Russian empire.
Velund
18 Mar 2014  #119

But we can blame Putin for ordering thousands of Russian troops to invade

Yeah... Here is another proof of their horrible violence in Crimea...
gregy741
18 Mar 2014  #120

The majority of Poles are rather more concerned that Russia has been allowed to invade and annex part of a country next to Poland, the majority of Poles remember that there are more than a few Russians who think that Poland is just a small part of the Russian empire

1.you are quite known here to be anti polish troll here,so dont tell me what majority of polish are concern about.as in survey made recently by obos,vast majority said that Poland should not interfere in Ukraine crisis,

thay are more concerned about gas price.
i do support Ukraine people and their country in EU,but not this way and not lead by svoboda people.and we all know what happens when US is "promoting democracy" by sponsoring local radicals.

i do not want this for Ukraine.they should vote for pro EU party if they want EU not supporting radicals(and only few are)

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