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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it


Nathan
12 Mar 2014  #31

Hi, archiwum. Here is a link to Wikipedia about Ukraine's court system.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system_of_Ukraine
Same with the legislature. As to the languages, Ukrainian is the official language. All other languages are protected by law as the languages of Ukraine's minorities.
gregy741
12 Mar 2014  #32

Ukrainian is the official language. All other languages are protected by law as the languages of Ukraine's minorities.

globalresearch.ca/ukraine-how-to-hide-a-nazi-army/5373147

what are those yellow symbols on those "peaceful protesters" arms???

libcom.org/news/neo-nazis-far-right-protesters-ukraine-23012014

and here ,what Oleh Tyahnybok leader of your ruling party rising his arm means??cant be nazi salute isnt?
Crnogorac3
13 Mar 2014  #33

Here's how the meeting of Klitschko's party passed in the Crimea.

youtube.com/watch?v=7XN06vb6ZhA

If he lived more then two years in Ukraine maybe he would be a more important figure.
The guy barely knows how to talk in Ukrainian language.

The Neo-Nazis and terrorists in Kiev not only surrendered the Crimea they are also giving up on the whole east Ukraine.
Already the regions from the east sent a request for joining the Crimean autonomy, mainly they do not recognize the newly formed government in Kiev.

Klitschko is acting like a fool and going to Donetsk, where the people throw eggs at him, he has nothing to look for there.

They tried also with the Tatars, but the Russians promised them cultural autonomy.
gregy741
13 Mar 2014  #34

poor Ukrainians..i hope those fools not gonna create civil war there.
now Russia accused Poland of training those Nazis and preparing this coup..at first seems just a propaganda but Victoria Nuland admitted that 5 billion dollars was spent for Subverting Ukraine

man that's some serious money!!!!
globalresearch.ca/american-conquest-by-subversion-victoria-nulands-admits-washington-has-spent-5-billion-to-subvert-ukraine/5367782
is it possible they used those Nazis as a to overthrow Yanukovitch?

Nathan

dont support this coup Nathan.. nothing good will come from that for Ukraine .its already Ukrainians are the one losing,Poland will end up losers as well.some USA nasty politic to surrender and dominate Russia
Nathan
13 Mar 2014  #35

Oleh Tyahnybok leader of your ruling party

His party got about 10% at the last elections. It is not a ruling party. I have noticed your trolling tendencies awhile ago. Be respectful, learn the facts and stop lying.

Russia

The only losers of democratic Ukraine is Putin and his clique. Poland as a neighbor and a great supporter will get a reliable business partner, from which Poland's economy will only profit, the EU will eventually incorporate a respectful and hard-working member, the US as well.
Crnogorac3
13 Mar 2014  #36

Russia was placed before a fait accompli. They did not want the violence that took place in Ukraine, they did not want to have McCain in Kiev who will further agitate people. The American strategy was to through opposition leaders, who were instructed by Western governments, pursue their interests in a wave of dissatisfied people and a bad economic situation. Ukraine is now totally subordinate to the IMF, the World Bank, the American government. Meanwhile, with the illegal government without a referendum they signed a series of contracts they could not have with Yanukovych. This is what Americans have been doing for years to governments they do not like, strengthening the opposition, financing their leaders who are later plotting and forcing people into the streets. Later the media machine will do the work.

Russia as a counterweight to American imperialism in this case had to respond, did not have much choice.
legend
13 Mar 2014  #37

Right on. This whole situation has huge implications on the whole world.
One of the most important thing is for some countries to oppose the US/UK axis of evil from achieving full spectrum dominance.
It seems only Russia and China can do that. The world cant have a bully knocking out everyone they dont like and places their minions (see US foreign policy).

It makes me sick that countries like France, Germany and Italy have succumbed to pressure. The US system (banking, CIA, military, NGOs, "thinktanks") is very strong when it comes to influencing or punishing others.

Perhaps maybe in the future Brazil will have more say too.
Ideally East/Central Europe should be neutral but because the US came the winner of WWII (they made sure of it) they impose their thinking onto others.
Crnogorac3
13 Mar 2014  #38

The only losers of democratic Ukraine is Putin and his clique.

This is how things are done by these "patriots"... session of the Assembly in one of the western provinces, after which it fell under the control of the "Right-Sector" ...

1

So you dare to not raise your hand when they demand it

youtu.be/BE-E3XpI9rM
This is how it looks these days in "democratic" Ukraine, in the session storm in a bunch of neo-Nazis of the Right Sector, armed with bats, guns, kalashnikovs, so dare to press the button and vote against their demands.

Let's see how they are going to form a government in the territory of the whole of Ukraine.

The West did not suit a pro-Russian Ukraine, now they will have a Russia with the entire northern coast of the warm sea, which receives a direct border with Romania, Moldova, Transdniestria ... excellent strategic move

Although the best solution is for Russia to send troops and help the legitimate government of Ukraine arrest bandits and troublemakers. Those few thousand malcontents were the option that lost the last election, so they set out to conquer power in a military putsch.

If Ukraine is a democratic country, the police would bust them a long time ago.
I wonder what would be the life expectancy of the demonstrators that in America shot at a police officer.

Right on. This whole situation has huge implications on the whole world.
One of the most important thing is for some countries to oppose the US/UK axis of evil from achieving full spectrum dominance.
It seems only Russia and China can do that. The world cant have a bully knocking out everyone they dont like and places their minions (see US foreign policy).

That is correct. That which is called a problem is that Yanukovych did not sign the EU trade pact. If he signed it, we would never learn that Yanukovich is corrupted, we would not know that people are dissatisfied, everything would be covered up. West agenda is so powerful it can initiate an avalanche of violence just to reach it's aim.

Ukrainian presidential elections have never been disputed or contested from the side of the West because then Yanukovych seemed to them like a suitable official who will carry out and implement EU policies. Then nobody spoke about a dictator and corruption. Klitschko and other leaders are just puppets or means through which the EU-USA will achieve its aim.

And now with the coup d'etat they have a democracy with the motto death to the Jews, Poles and Russians thereby building a better, freer and progressive Ukraine.
Harry
13 Mar 2014  #39

now they will have a Russia with the entire northern coast of the warm sea, which receives a direct border with Romania, Moldova, Transdniestria ... excellent strategic move

Yes, what Russia really needs right now is to acquire Ukraine's rust belt. Crimea, Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, Mykolaiv, and Zaporizhzhya together in the first half of 2013 took 22.82 billion hryvnia (around $2.5 billion) more from the central government than they paid in taxes, that's $5 billion per year as a drain on Russia.

censor.net.ua/resonance/268512/zona_proedaniya_kto_kogo_kormit_v_ukraine

Add to that another $1 billion which Kiev currently spends supporting the Ukrainian coal industry, which is all in the east of Ukraine. Crimea's main industry used to tourism but 70% of its visitors came from Ukraine, so they won't be back soon. This is certainly a superb move by Putin!
Marek11111
13 Mar 2014  #40

"Hacked Email from U.S. Army Attache in Ukraine - For False Flags to occur so U.S. can take military action against Russia "

so U.S. going back to old bag of tricks.
PlasticPole
13 Mar 2014  #41

Yes, there could be some nazis in that protesting scene just like members of the fringe will show up in any demonstration. You get a spectrum. Like, at the Million Man March you would get your middle of the road men and a few staunch MRAs, possibly some members of extreme Christian groups supporting family values. Don't forget Black Army of Islam and the Black Panthers. Members of these groups are free to show up at rallies and demonstrations but should you assume everyone who shows up is involved in these groups, or, even most that show up are? It could be possible something like 15% are and the rest of them aren't. However, since you choose to focus on the few who are, your mind is tricked into thinking the entire event is made up of extremists. Perhaps it's a similar phenomena in Kiev?
gregy741
13 Mar 2014  #42

thats probably the stupidest post i seen in a long time...
PlasticPole
13 Mar 2014  #43

Oh so you think everyone's an extremist. Whatever.
Nathan
13 Mar 2014  #44

thats probably the stupidest post i seen in a long time...

Says someone who makes at least 5 mistakes in the sentence above...

Ukrainian presidential elections have never been disputed or contested from the side of the West because then Yanukovych seemed to them like a suitable official who will carry out and implement EU policies

Nobody disputes that he came to power legally (although the elections were rigged). Yanukovych abandoned Ukraine, his presidential post (stealing lots of expensive things over a span of several days before his escape). What kind of president does that? The parliament, elected by the Ukrainians in the parliamentary elections of 2012, while Yanukovych was in power, voted for his removal simply because he deserted the country. Now, a lot of documents of his involvement in the murder of the Ukraine's citizens were found in his abandoned villa of the Louis XVIII richness and based on these and his stealing of the state's money in the range of billions, he is now on the Interpol's list. He also violated the Constitution of Ukraine when he asked for the military help from Russia, which is the prerogative only of the Ukrainian parliament. He is a traitor and I hope Interpol will help bring the bastard home for justice.

P.S. I have never met the Serbians before, just you and Crow. You are the only nationalists who want to achieve something for their country through the corpses, death and injustice done to the people of other nations. I love my nation, but I will never look for its interests in the insults and disrespect of other people, countries, nations. You are a rare type of scum.
gregy741
14 Mar 2014  #45

You are the only nationalists who want to achieve something for their country through the corpses, death and injustice done to the people of other nations.

says Bandera supporter...lol this is getting hilarious,,

I love my nation, but I will never look for its interests in the insults and disrespect of other people, countries, nations

nah,you just support people who glorify chopping children with axes

, voted for his removal simply because he deserted the country

"voted!"
in the presence of bandera thugs,being beaten and threatened,some of region party people were burned to death.lol

Now, a lot of documents of his involvement in the murder of the Ukraine's citizens

what a lie!! one document regarding beating some woman.
i hope Putin lose his patience and deal with those bandits before they cause world war.
i would never dream that in 21 century there will be government run by bandera thugs in Europe.anyone who support this is scumbag in my book
jon357
14 Mar 2014  #46

chopping children with axes

That was then. This is now. All those European, new world order, big government stuff that twats here moan abou endlessly does at least men that no children are about to have 'chopping with axes' any more. That can only be good.
gregy741
14 Mar 2014  #47

lol
yaros and His men now creating new paramilitary National Guard, planned to be around 60 000
The purpose of this National Guard, as stated by the self-appointed government in Kiev, is to fight all external and internal threats.neo-nazi fighters from maidan will form a core of the new National Guard

wont take long before they start killing civilians
Marek11111
14 Mar 2014  #48

National Guard, planned to be around 60 000

they got about 90,000 when they form SS division and fought for Hitler, hope history will repeat and Russians will wipe them out.
PlasticPole
14 Mar 2014  #49

whats your thoughts?

You ask for my thoughts then you call them stupid > :(
Xromium
14 Mar 2014  #50

Attached on merging: Ukraine crisis: U.S. to send F-16 fighters to Poland - alleluya !! We are safe now, with the Big White Chief

Hey! Time to raise Polish hands to heaven, we can rejoice - the Big White (Black) Chief is sending in the infantry -

One day we will have to repay the kindness with thanks - and by then the russian bear will be looking for scraps in the dust bins of Lublins back streets - and Polish Eagle .... ? What will she be doing ?
Monitor
14 Mar 2014  #51

What's your problem? It's better with extra plains than without.
Crnogorac3
14 Mar 2014  #52

amer

People, this is the spitting image of American politics... In this picture is the essence of that country, their ideology... Congrats to the genius who was able to explain in one picture what people are writing doctorates on...
PlasticPole
14 Mar 2014  #53

They are there to keep my Ukrainians safe!
legend
14 Mar 2014  #54

Is this topic a joke? Im serious here.

Why would you praise the US for such a little thing?
NATO wouldnt do ****. They send 5 planes, through some flyers, and do jack****.
Nathan
14 Mar 2014  #55

They are there to keep my Ukrainians safe!

I am yours forever, PP :)
Marek11111
15 Mar 2014  #56

Right Sector gunmen attack anti-Maidan activists in Kharkov - reports

rt.com/news/ukraine-kharkov-radicals-attack-982/

they have till Sunday to make peace
Nathan
15 Mar 2014  #57

The site you provided the link for describes itself as:

RT is the first Russian 24/7 English-language news channel which brings the Russian view on global news.

Maybe, for the sake of justice, it would be better to find another site, not of the one of the involved sides in the conflict and more so, of the aggressor? What do you think, Marek? You may hate UPA all you want, but be just to the Ukrainians of today who try to build the normal democratic country, while their country is invaded by Russia. Would you really trust the aggressor an unbiased approach to the news? More so, if it is Russia, where the mass media is under total control of the government?
Crow
15 Mar 2014  #58

F-16 fighters.... alleluya !!

brate, are you serious? or i maybe don`t follow this thread correctly. Is this joke

i mean, even Serbian air defense during NATO bombardment of Yugoslavia/Serbia was able to put down those F-16`s. Can you imagine what would modern Russian fighters based on space technology do to it, then, if come to serious sh**. Those F-16 are junk fighters and they finally founded solution for the junk. They are sending it to Poland.

now, Poland needs to pay that junk and to thanks for it.
Marek11111
15 Mar 2014  #59

oh nathan you are living in lala land, just go get your meds and turn on fox or msnbc and get lied to.

the Big White (Black) Chief is sending in the infantry -

he does not have any infantry to send all of them are guarding opium fields in Afghanistan.
legend
15 Mar 2014  #60

Those F-16 are junk fighters and they finally founded solution for the junk. They are sending it to Poland.

The Russians have good AA guns, thats one area they are top in. Today they work on S400, S500. Regardless I hope Poland will invest in 5th gen planes soon because several nations will be getting them.

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