Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

"down with fascist"demonstration against fascist criminals rule in Kiev: yesterday,pro russian demonstration in Warsaw:

The .... posted two links claiming the pro-russian protests happening in Kyiv and Warsaw, but both lead to the same event just in one city - Warsaw. Putin won't pay you for this crepe - try harder :)

Anyhow, here is from his link:


20 osob? Ekskursija do pomnika Leninu wiecej zbiera chetnych... ;)

Rozumie ze w Rosji, skad jestes, to jest wielki protest. Tutaj poruwnanie:

They have shaken hands today. Maybe there's hope yet.

yea,but Poroshenko not willing to make any concessions towards DPR only demands and ultimatums and rhetoric("fate of entire world depends here") as usual.i dont think he can,if he negotiate anything with rebels he will be finished as politician and risking being isolated.all major western parties are hard stance approach towards rebels.there is no major party in Ukraine who would want any negotiations or concessions with rebels,well apart commie party which is being banned now. I dont see any chance of peace being made in Minsk

The botox-face (aka Putin) has to take away his troops from Ukraine's territory and the conflict will end in a very short time. Putin supplies weapons, heavy artillery, soldiers (some of them were caught today and over 200 buries yesterday in Pskov), shoots from Grad missiles into the border patrol officers of Ukraine, etc. The terrorists, who have been offered to lay down arms during unilateral cease-fire adopted by Ukraine for 10 days, refused to do so and killed during that time 27 of our soldiers. Now, they either lay down arms and surrender or be killed. Nobody in the world negotiates with the terrorists, more so with the ones who don't even respect the cease-fire. There is a threat of another world war erupting, unless this Russian maniac stops his war crimes in Ukraine.

With this initiative of Belarus president, Slavic world proved to be worth enough and capable to respond to situation and found internal mechanisms to solve its own problem. Thank God for that.

Let us hope that are we Slavs wise enough to grab the opportunity for this peace. Serious negotiations needs to occur.



Vladimir Putin, left, and Petro Poroshenko, right, line up to pose with Alexander Lukashenko ahead of a summit in Minsk

Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko: Summit to decide fate of Europe

The Guardian, Tuesday 26 August 2014 19.42 BST
theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/26/ukraine-vladimir-putin-petro-poroshenko-summit-solve-conflict

CALL FOR INDEPENDENT INQUIRY OF THE AIRPLANE CRASH IN UKRAINE AND ITS CATASTROPHIC AFTERMATH,call signed by organizations and people:

"we the peoples, as members of Civil Society, Non-Governmental Organizations, and global citizens, committed to peace and nuclear disarmament, demand that an independent international inquiry be commissioned to review events in Ukraine" -stop media lies and stop nazi ukra criminals from their criminal activities:

diy.rootsaction.org/petitions/call-for-independent-inquiry-of-the-airplane-crash-in-ukraine-and-its-catastrophic-aftermath

more and more international organizations and people see through this disgusting war made by NATO and its fascist little Kiev criminal dogs and demand inquiry and to stop this madness.

only putting baderist criminals to justice will stop this mass murder.

banderist maskirovka,nazi pigs

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  banderist maskirovka
  

Oh dear, it seems that Putin isn't taking kindly to his proxy forces in Ukraine being given a good kicking: he's sent Russian troops into more of Ukraine. Of course he did that while supposedly discussing peace in Minsk.


WaPo

And, telling a tale so tall that even gregy might well not believe it and even Barney might think twice about telling, the Kremlin claimed that the paratroopers had entered Ukraine 'by mistake'.


Indie

Now that doesn't sound too bad, does it. However, as the Beeb points out: those paratroopers were captured 20 km from the Russia-Ukraine border:


Beeb

It gets worse:


vox

Let's hope the world doesn't stand by idly.

good news for today, DNR forces eliminated "Fuhrer" - the founder of the neo-nazi org Misanthropic Division.he was killed near Novo-Azovsk while defending in the ranks of Azov battalion

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  rebels with trophy
  

If that's true, it is pretty much good news (although I do favour just locking up neo-nazi scum for the rest of their lives rather than martyring them).

The Russian Soldiers' Mothers Committee compiled a list of the killed and wounded Russian soldiers in Ukraine. It counts 400 soldiers.
euromaidanpress.com/2014/08/27/mothers-compiled-a-list-of-400-russian-soldiers-killed-and-wounded-in-ukraine

The facts show that the two journalists, in death of which the Ukrainian pilot N. Savchenko is accused, were killed a few days after she was kidnapped by the terrorists and brought into Russia, where she was imprisoned.

Both lawyers of Savchenko are convinced that the Russian prosecution has no proofs whatsoever. Today in the court she said: "You incriminate people backwards, you have no justice, no law. Thank God we don't have Yanukovych in our country anymore; I believe that soon you will not have Putin"

youtube.com/watch?v=O5nEFQ71DTI

This photo is made in Kiev, do the rebels are taking trophies in Kiev now?

Putin comparing things in Urkaine to Nazism today got me to doing a quick Google, and I was surprised to come across this article in the Huffington Post (March 2014) which links to Channel 4 News. In a nutshell, they suggest there are Nazi elements in power in Ukraine. That's something which is deeply disturbing if true.

Here's what I'm banging on about: huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747.html

I fear there is no smoke without fire. Yet, this should not give Russia carte blanche to go into E Ukraine and call it New Russia or whatever. That's totally out of order. Any chance of some sensible resolution to this without the loss of more lives on both sides. Very moving to see mothers and families of soldiers (on both sides) anxiously wondering what's happened to their loved ones in battle on TV just now.

Some late breaking news.....there may be neo nazis in Ukraine!!!!

So, this is alarming stuff. It's in the Telegraph, a usually reasonably good, serious newspaper in the UK. It's also unofficially known as The Torygraph because it tends to support Conservative (Tory) party politics.

Is there some reason why I should disbelieve this story? Are readers having their anti-Nazi buttons pressed for some reason or is there substantial truth in this report? Is the Nazi element to things merely minor, for example the fact that many democracies do seem to still have some sort of Far Right element hanging around like an old smell.

Some late breaking news that there may be neo nazis in Ukraine? That is news?! Anybody who has been to any country in CEE will know that this region has problems with neo-nazis. Here in Poland for some reason they are allowed to pollute the streets of Warsaw every November.

I seem to remember a certain poster insisting that neo-nazis were in charge of several ministries of the Ukrainian government. I wonder if he will repeat that lie any time soon?

I don't disagree with that response. My concern or anxiety is that if a person sleeps with dogs, they get fleas. As someone in the newspaper articles said, if there are Nazis involved it helps Putin use that for his own ends or attempt at gains. Someone else in the article said that such Nazis may swagger in and expect roles in any future government as a reward for their participation. I expect that none of these arguments are news to you, however they to some extent at least resonate with me and leave bitter taste in my mouth at the thought of anything like that. Knowing as I do that some of the posters on this thread like to embellish, until I'd read the Telegraph story I'd totally ignored the Nazi involvement angle.

This is very true, nazis should not be anywhere near weapons or official organs of state.

There are neo-nazis on both sides IW jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=42481&no_cache=1#.VAGfrhrTGl4
For some reason Barney only wants to talk about the nazis on one side, well, and the imaginary ones he lies about.

nazis ,fascist are everywhere,even in Israel..but they are not in high office or in government like in Ukraine ,not to mention Ukrainian fascist are allowed to create battalions,arm themselves and commit war crimes,not even 5 days ago sloboda announced plans to create battalion,in addition to azov, aidar ,kolomoyski donbass batalion thugs and thousands of right sector bandits in within national guard.

oleh lyashko of radical party is most popular politician atm,if presidential election is repeated now,he would probably won with over 30% support.read somewhere that now sloboda is having highest about 30% support in western Ukraine and they might win election -and they are openly fascist **** .go figure

There are no nazis in charge of ministries of the Ukrainian government, gregy, and no amount of lies from you and Barney will change that.

Or are you talking about the pro-Kremlin terrorists you and Barney support? Are you talking about the self-appointed 'People's Governor' of the self-proclaimed 'Donetsk People's Republic'? He actually is a Nazi. As shown by the flag of the nazi group he's a trained member of: it features a swastika.

you are silly as usual Harry.nazism, fascism are ideologies,fact that some ukra politician don't use 1930 -ies German Nazism symbols doesn't mean they are not Nazis. banderism is a ultra nazi ideology with all ethnic pure Ukraine bollox,with all this "must clean Ukraine from other ethnic people" part of it.not later that 5 days ago poroshenko was openly glorifying UPA on his twitter.

and you saying there are no neonazi scumbags there.
there are differences between banderism ideology and nazi,like there is no antisemitism and no "pure race"element,no brutalized Darwinism,or eugenic in banderism but they are more hostile and hatred towards other ethnic people like poles russian,hungarian slovakian ect.

same shi.t ideology ,just target different people.

Jesus Christ, the Ukrainian border guards released a video that shows a destroyed column of (clearly) civilian autos, they claim that this was a military column of invading Russian and Chechen troops.

"Ukrainian soldiers sustained no casualties" he said at the end....fokin criminal scum..murdering civilians,and they use their destroyed cars as a proof of "Russian invasion"

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Thanks for the link, appreciated.


Then the people (Nazis) mentioned in the articles in my links have not (or no longer) got the reins of any departments? Because it made it sound like they had. Relieved to read that they haven't, if that remains the case.


Both sides it seems, both sides should hang their heads in shame to associate with Nazism in any shape or form. Did neither their parents nor grandparents educate them about the horrors of what that means.

Well Barney, at least we agree on 1 thing, ie

We probably agree on many things. The Huffington report is wrong, Yarosh the leader of Right sector was never confirmed as Parubiy's deputy. However Sovoboda did and still do provide some ministers. Parubiy is still there pulling the strings the private nazi squads were his idea. And yes he did co found the Ukrainian nazi party and is a neo nazi. Svoboda are a fascist party both Israel and the EU voiced many concerns about them which have now suddenly been down played.

My position on this crisis is that I would like to see a prosperous free and unified Ukraine however having a nazi led coup and launching private nazi armies against the East is not the way to achieve your goals. Basically the EU and US over reached its a massive foreign policy failure by the west which is a cold way to describe the shelling of civilians. The net result is that the people of Ukraine are going to be plunged into decades of grinding poverty without being either EU or NATO members

Yesterday Russian army completely erased a small town Novosvitlivka in Ukraine. The tanks shot down every single building. The town with its residents doesn't exist anymore.

didnt find any evidence it was russian army..you lie as usual:
bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28993873

"Spokesman Andriy Lysenko said troops had been ordered to retreat from Novosvitlivka"
and you forgot to mention there was ukra soldiers base in that village.my question is Nathan..why ukra soldiers using villages as base?didn't they said its wrong to hide in civilian residential areas?

didt Ukra criminals said that massive civilian casualties is rebels fault cus they hide in civilian areas? so why ukra is doing the same thing now?

What a surprise to see Barney still lying about neo-nazis in the Ukrainian govt. I wonder why he doesn't want to talk about the neo-nazis in the pro-Kremlin terrorists he supports.

some more stupidity by Nathan...those true news are from Avakow or SBU this time?

what is shocking here is how western media report events in those times..look,its journalizm dead? copy and paste Bollox everywhere.thay just copy ,paste all ******** that comes from Ukra official sources:

"Ukraine: 14 Dead after Wounded Ukrainian Troops Blow Themselves Up"

all you need just put part of sentence in google and same **** come up from all western media sourcess of "information"