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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it



gregy741
30 Aug 2014  #2161

no nazis harry? and that's some official funeral of fallen in east Ukraine soldiers.unless its some image from some movie its disgusting


  • funeral of ukra soldiers

InWroclaw
30 Aug 2014  #2162

funeral of ukra soldiers

youtube.com/watch?v=tZATDOZSd88

gregy741
30 Aug 2014  #2163

they said in this video that one of sloboda member said -ss soldiers should be regarded as heroes of ukraine..lol
this is leading party in ukra politic scene..western idiots woke up evil there

Fourteen soldiers have been confirmed dead after two Ukrainian troops blew themselves up to prevent capture by Russian forces.

Heroic suicide Ukrainian officers? Witnesses deny

Volunteer of Novgorod Volyn Alexei Panasiuk who has contact with 51 Brigade, stated unequivocally aired on television 112 that Major Alexander Kandesiuk and Major Alexei Szepeliuk did not commit suicide.

kresy.pl/wydarzenia,wojskowosc?zobacz/bohaterskie-samobojstwo-ukrainskich-oficerow-swiadkowie-zaprzeczaja
according to kresy,this information is a lie,made by ukra..witnessed denied they said anything like that...how surprising
UN general secretary assistant said Ukra is torturing people...nothing we didnt know already tho..:
kresy.pl/wydarzenia,wojskowosc?zobacz/przedstawiciel-onz-ukrainskie-bataliony-stosuja-tortury

Nathan
30 Aug 2014  #2164

Outright lie. The video was made in 2013 (not 2014) and is not in the eastern Ukraine either. The guys are dressed in the uniform of the SS Galychyna, which was cleared by the Nurnberg trial as the one that participated exclusively in the fight against the Soviet army, which occupied part of Ukraine at the beginning of WWII. This funeral is a re-burial of the fallen in the WWII and the uniform is used merely as commemoration of what the soldiers used to wear.

InWroclaw
30 Aug 2014  #2165

Outright lie. The video was made in 2013

Is this said in the video, either from the live footage or narration?

they said in this video that one of sloboda member said -ss soldiers should be regarded as heroes of ukraine..

Gorbachev warns of "slaughter" and "dire consequences" ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-crisis-gorbachev-warns-terrible-slaughter-europe-1463292

Former Soviet premier Mikhail Gorbachev has warned of the dire consequences of an escalation of the conflict in eastern Ukraine, and praised Russian restraint in not becoming further involved.

"If our country intervenes, such a fire could break out that the whole world wouldn't be able to put it out.


gregy741
30 Aug 2014  #2166

Is this said in the video, either from the live footage or narration?

narrator at 1:00: i spoke with sloboda member pankievich who said: "ukrainian SS should be recognized as heroes for freedom of ukraine"
then its interview with pankievicz who said: without those fighters for freedom of ukraine there would be no ukraine...blah blah blah.
then some stuff about prosecuting those scumbags organizators
german nazi soldiers were liberating and allied to many countries,like Slovakia or Estonia or Hungary,Romania. but no country would ever glorify them,cus of horrible crimes they committed.

only in stupid banderist head,its OK to glorify them and call them freedom fighters.even if they liberated Ukraine,there is no question of how criminal ideology was driven those guys.

Nathan again shows his true colors,glorified UPA genocides,now SS units

i wonder if Nathan is aware of fact that most of death concentration camps guards -including Auschwitz - were Ukrainian nationalists
and most brutal ones as well

holocaust-history.org/questions/ukrainians.shtml

t is clear that the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) was closely associated with the Nazis and that "Many members of the OUN were Nazi agents involved in subversion, espionage, sabotage, terrorism and outright murder." "Alliance for Murder: the Nazi-Ukrainian Nationalist Partnership in Genocide" B.F. Sabrin, ed. (New York; 1991). It is also clear that many of the 100,000 Ukrainians who volunteered to serve with the Nazis were not coerced into joining the SS. "The Order of the Death's Head," Heinz Hohne (translation published 1970; New York).

holocaust-education.dk/lejre/udryddelseslejre.asp

"the ordinary guards were usually Ukrainians or Balts, who in many eyewitness accounts are presented as violent thugs."

Nathan
30 Aug 2014  #2167

Russian army terrorists yelling "Allah akbar" in Ilovaysk, Ukraine:

youtube.com/watch?v=fE9nYC1bDNs

gregy741
30 Aug 2014  #2168

mm, might be right. Here it says they had trouble recruiting Poles so they looked elsewhere. There is at least 1 book on it.
holocaust-history.org/questions/ukrainians.shtml (the accuracy of the info on the website is not known, link posted for reference to source)

one book??????????????
its common knowledge in Poland..thousands books about ukra nazis crimes in especialy death camps guards...go google,you see
who is John Demjanjuk??

Crow
30 Aug 2014  #2169

Peace to Slavic children. Down with war!

gregy741
31 Aug 2014  #2170

Ukrainian junta announced they are creating smersch like special units to combat desertion and insubordination Counter-intelligence within army.:

Defense Minister of Ukraine Valeriy Hełetej announced the creation of dedicated service that will Gypsies were tracked agents " Russian fifth column " in the ranks of the army and the military , participating in military operations in the east of the country.

smersch units was one of special section of NKVD ..ultra totalitarian state all over,got to be blind not to see what a monster is growing there

Crow
31 Aug 2014  #2171

This is madness.

If we Serbians are strong and numerous as we were in past, when- as Germanic scholars admits we were overlords to the other Sarmatian (Slavic) tribes, i would recommend that Serbia invade both- Russia and Ukraine and impose peace there.

So, if that... This is madness! This is Sparta!... sounds familiar to you, don`t be surprised. Spartans were also Sarmatians (ie Proto Slavs).

gregy741
31 Aug 2014  #2172

Russian army terrorists yelling "Allah akbar" in Ilovaysk, Ukraine

i can post you dozen images of Islamists in ukra army


  • chechen pro ukra volunteer

  • Brigadier Gen. Isa Munaev, the former Johar (Grozny) City Commandant is now the commander of the fresh arrived

  • pro ukra chechens

  • pro ukra chechens

gregy741
31 Aug 2014  #2173

look more Chechen in ukra army:


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  • here some azov battalion boys,,nazi salute as usual

InWroclaw
31 Aug 2014  #2174

This lady claims she was beaten and forced to shout Nazi salute bbc.com/news/world-europe-29001361

A pro-Ukrainian activist accused of spying for the Ukrainian army in Donetsk has endured hours of public humiliation orchestrated by the armed rebels in the centre of the eastern city.


Nathan
31 Aug 2014  #2175

A pro-Ukrainian activist accused of spying for the Ukrainian army in Donetsk has endured hours of public humiliation orchestrated by the armed rebels in the centre of the eastern city.



InWroclaw
31 Aug 2014  #2176

Mariupol residents form human chain to keep rebels out of their town
euronews.com/2014/08/31/mariupol-residents-form-human-chain-amid-rebel-threat

Quite clearly they don't need or want any more 'help' from whoever the rebels are, thank you very much.

Nathan
31 Aug 2014  #2177

Absolutely. The regular people in Mariupol (and not only) started to dig tranches and create sand walls against the Russian army:

Some have already started to form partisan battalions, both military and those responsible for ensuring security of the locals: food, medication, lodging etc.

Also special tetrapods are being set up to prevent the movement of Russian heavy machinery:

youtu.be/e5PGI40Z9CQ

Crow
31 Aug 2014  #2178

This madness is possible only because we failed to form new Commonwealth till now. Ukrainians falling from one master to another. Its not solution. Honest negotiations with Russians is much better solution then extermination of Russians from what is today`s Ukraine, as west of Europe wants, while sponsoring banderists.

Pilsudski was wise.

gregy741
31 Aug 2014  #2179

guys ,am reading reports all day claiming up to 1000 ukra troops dead in last 2 days.various sources.nothing confirmed yet from ukropy side.they are very silent.i know ,one batalion was completly destroyed when trying break through boiler.:

Ukrainian refused to use humanitarian corridors to withdraw their troops. According Ukrianian Donbass commander, there was window opened from 6:00 to 10:00, but Ukrainian transport to evacuate their troops didn't arrive - facebook.com/dostali.hva...05738229460953

According to agreement, all military hardware should be left there, but then Ukrainian decided to break through using their own armor and column has been destroyed - twower.livejournal.com/1401537.html

Rebels claimed any attempts to evacuate troops without using predefined corridors and using their own military vehicles will be suppressed.
here Ukrainian soldiers describe how they torture rebels:
youtube.com/watch?v=fTT0d23Ff9I#t=36
stick needles under nails ect. even UN reporting about massive use of torture by Ukraine.

Doneck airport taken by rebels...according to them it was guarded by polish mercenaries:

etoonda.livejournal.com/614294.html

NOT properly confirmed yet, but seems to be re

German journalist Mark Bartalamai found CIA documents in Police station near Doneck,after rebels took control of it.:

twitter.com/MarkBartalmai/status/505790230855958528/photo/1
twitter.com/MarkBartalmai
militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236054-Ukraine-discussion-thread-Or-the-original-Butthurt-thread/page6215

Nathan
31 Aug 2014  #2180

Russians gave a word of an officer to the encircled Ukrainian troops, but as soon as the Ukrainians started moving the Russians opened fire, killing some Ukrainian soldiers and with them the Russian soldiers caught by the Ukrainian army and held prisoners. Here is Russian officer word and their attitude to their own soldiers...

gregy741
1 Sep 2014  #2181

Peter Lavelle on Russia's "invasion" of Ukraine.very interesting .its about "pathological lairs in Kiev" and outrage lies they produce,over and over.about western media,people are getting fed up with: youtube.com/watch?v=4wqBgXLMTEA

InWroclaw
1 Sep 2014  #2182

"pathological lairs in Kiev"

This is also a lie? Rebels or Russian troops massacre surrendering Ukrainian troops waving white flags inquisitr.com/1445124/russian-troops-reportedly-massacre-ukranian-soldiers-waving-white-flags

Same report here telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11066256/Fears-of-massacre-after-accusations-Russians-reneged-on-safe-passage-for-Ukrainian-forces.html

The BBC's Russian Service reports that Putin was misunderstood when he used the word 'statehood' and what he was urging was an independent state in parts of Ukraine, not federalisation into Russia. More at bbc.co.uk/Ukraine [i]This link seems to be incorrect, but was on their screen a few moments ago. Anyone with the correct URL please post. I could only find this: bbc.co.uk/ukrainian

Harry
1 Sep 2014  #2183

Doneck airport taken by rebels...according to them it was guarded by polish mercenaries

For the love of Christ, gregy, if you're going to tell laughable lies about places, at least learn to spell the names of those places. It is D-O-N-E-T-S-K: Donetsk.

etoonda.livejournal.com/614294.html

Since when have foreign language sources been acceptable here?

German journalist Mark Bartalamai found CIA documents in Police station near Doneck

Are you seriously stupid enough to expect us to believe that those are genuine, gregy? Really?

its about "pathological lairs in Kiev"

Gregy, if you have to rant about imaginary people, at least learn to spell the words you use to describe those people: the word is L-I-A-R-S. Please try to remember to ask your teacher to explain the difference between L-I-A-R-S and L-A-I-R-S (I have in the past pointed out this particular unfortunate mistake you make).

InWroclaw
1 Sep 2014  #2184

This is the way some English students remember the word isn't lair:

NATO plans spearhead force

news.sky.com/story/1328248/nato-plans-spearhead-force-to-face-russia

Nato is set to create a "high-readiness" force and stockpile military equipment in Eastern Europe as a bulwark against potential Russian aggression, the alliance's chief has said.


Crow
1 Sep 2014  #2185

Czech`s Republic stance

//to underline: news is transferred by Serbian media (why not tell it openly- proven free media) so you can read it without fear of being manipulated//

Ukraine "not ready to join EU or NATO"

"Ukraine is not ready to join the EU or NATO. Both organizations should be giving realistic hopes to Ukraine," Sobotka told the Czech media, according to RIA Novosti.

"If the Ukrainian side sees President Petro Poroshenko's peace settlement plan as a path to successful solution to the crisis, then it cannot accompany it with ideas of Ukraine's membership in NATO and the EU," Sobotka said, and added:

"We cannot solve Ukraine's military and economic problems for it."

Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk on Friday sent a bill to parliament to abolish Ukraine's status of a neutral country, and instead apply for membership in NATO.


Harry
1 Sep 2014  #2186

news is transferred by Serbian media

So what? The source of the 'news' is still the Kremlin, or would you like us to ignore the part which clearly says "according to RIA Novosti"?

Crow
1 Sep 2014  #2187

look carefully, my dear confused HArry. It is B92 online news. Serbian source. And, as we all know, Poles are wise and they know that are only Serbian sources trustworthy. Let`s not go in it but let`s just say that it is so because Poles histrionically learned not to trust, neither to the west of Europe, neither to Russia. Only to Serbians. Only, Serbian media are proven independent media of the center of Slavic civilization. RIA novosti are better then BBC, CNN, ITN etc, bs media but still, only Serbian media are truly free mass media.

That is why i underlined source... Serbian media.

This is the way some English students remember the word isn't lair:

Blair is more then liar. He is pervert. Really pervert. Very sick man. Anglo that passionately hate Slavs.

Harry
1 Sep 2014  #2188

That is why i underlined source... Serbian media.

You are very simply lying: the source is RIA Novosti. Your precious Serbian media is simply reporting claim made by Kremlin media.

Poles histrionically learned not to trust, neither to the west of Europe

You really do know bugger all about Poles, don't you.

InWroclaw
1 Sep 2014  #2189

'If I want to I can take Kiev in a fortnight': Putin's threat to Europe revealed by EU boss as Ukraine loses control of key airport
Putin made an incendiary remark to the European Commission President
He said that his forces could march to the Ukrainian capital in two weeks

Read more:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2739563/Ukraine-accuses-Russia-artillery-attack-navy-Moscow-s-foreign-minister-says-immediate-ceasefire-needed-consolidate-Kremlin-gains.html#ixzz3C66w0I6P

Mr Barroso told the meeting that Putin said: 'This is not the problem, but that, if I want to, I can take Kiev in two weeks,' according to La Repubblica.

...Merkel said that 'there are no limits to the unpredictability of Putin', the paper reported.

David Cameron, in grave tones, warned the heads of state that Putin must not be permitted to take the whole country 'or we risk repeating the errors of 1938 in Munich'.

'We don't know what he could do next,' he added.

Well done Dave, Gideon's History degree has done you both proud at last.

rt.com/news/184324-russia-ukraine-nuclear-shock
Russia outraged after Kiev accuses Moscow of nuclear attack threats

Interesting to read the comments under the article, as ever.

theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/kazakhstan-russian-neighbour-putin-chilly-nationalist-rhetoric

Kazakhstan is latest Russian neighbour to feel Putin's chilly nationalist rhetoric

As Obama reassures Baltic states of Nato's protection, Kazakhs wonder if they will follow Ukraine, Chechnya and Georgia

Main map-

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Barney
2 Sep 2014  #2190

Nato's spearhead force........

I wonder if it will include the NATO member that invaded and partitioned a European country and to this day supports this illegal entity in Cyprus. The next NATO meeting should draw a line showing exactly where they stand on invasion and partition.


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