Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Good old Barney, using events which happened generations ago to try and excuse the crimes of his hero in the Kremlin.
I wonder why he doesn't mention the NATO nation whose military junta overthrew the democratically elected government of the European country he talks about to replace them with a dictator or about the anti-Turkish pogrom which preceded Turkey's intervention. Perhaps in his next post Barney could draw a line showing exactly where he stands on leaving out inconvenient bits of history and perhaps about his lies about neo-Nazis controlling ministries of the present Ukrainian government?

Apparently, a chap by the name of Putin wanted to join NATO in 2000. Yes, one couldn't make it up:

Well he has all the right policies ignoring current borders and partitioning countries so he should be welcomed with open arms

Barney, would you like to go into detail about NATO supposedly ignoring current borders and partitioning countries? Or is this just another of the whoppers you tell to try to make your hero in the Kremlin look like less of a scumbag? You know what I mean, lies like your ceaseless claims about neo-nazis controlling key govt ministries in Ukraine and so on.

Are you in agreement, though, that he is doing things he shouldn't be doing? It sounds as if you are. Why is he doing them? Because it seems that there are Nazis on both sides, so what's his dog in this race (to borrow the term from someone else who posts on this forum) ? Because try as I might to not think the worst, it seems as if he has gone off piste big time.

RIA but transferred to public via Serbian media. Serbian media are kind of filter in that example. Comprendo, Harry?


i know.

Resolution in sight?

Russia And Ukraine 'Largely Agree' On Crisis

Kremlin now backing off ceasefire talk, claiming that they can't agree to a ceasefire because they aren't involved.


reuters.com/article/2014/09/03/ukraine-crisis-ceasefire-putin-idUSL5N0R41NI20140903

Of course, how silly of me!


I dunno if it's sigh of relief time but wires are saying "ceasefire agreed", here's Sky's.

Not much more than little comfort for the families of those who have already perished, I know.

Some backtracking now


As Harry said:


bbc.com/news/world-europe-29042561

Who believes what Putin says anymore? He is a sadistic fascist who has no word, no honor and not even basic intelligence to be a human, because the number of deaths and destruction that his policy of terror and invasion has already led to is beyond barbarism. Another lie from Kremlin's low life.

Nobody at all. Absolutely nobody. The man has become a pariah.

In other news, the head of the illegal government which the invading forces have imposed on the Ukrainian peninsular of Crimea has proved that he's a homophobic bigot and that basic human rights have no place in Russian-occupied Crimea:


Full article here: ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-crimea-chief-police-army-will-tell-gays-what-type-sexual-orientation-they-must-stick-1463683

No doubt our resident pro-Kremlin bigots will see nothing at all wrong with what their fellow pro-Kremlin bigot said.

He indeed sounds like someone the resident bigots here will love. You're the bearer of fab news for 'em, prolly make their day or make their year.

Video suggesting Russian presence in Ukraine.

And here is a video showing a full Russian mechanised unit in Ukraine:


Most probably our resident pro-Kremlin bigots will try to distract people's attention from this proof that Russia has invaded yet more of Ukraine by ranting about Nazi Junta or about the ministries of the Ukrainian government which they claim are controlled by neo-nazis.

France says non to Russian warship delivery:

good for Russia.

Russian social group created on FaceBook known as "Cargo-200 from Ukraine to Russia" collects information about the killed Russian soldiers in Ukraine. Russian activist Elena Vasilieva, which heads the group, informed on Radio Svoboda that only in August over 2000 dead Russian soldiers were brought back from Ukraine. It gives the idea of how many of the Russian troops are present in the eastern region of Ukraine.


liveleak.com/view?i=551_1409762744

U.S. boots on the ground in Ukraine.
Preparations are now under way to go ahead with exercises near Ukraines western border for a joint military exercise this month (September 16 thru the 26th) with more than 1,000 troops from the United States and its allies.

It's a sign of the commitment of NATO states to support non-NATO member Ukraine.
The annual exercise is to take place in the Yavoriv training center near Ukraine's border with Poland.
Does anyone know how many Polish troops will be involved to show their support ?

I have read that Poland will be presented by 35 soldiers from 25th air troops brigade. This international military exercise occurs every year on Ukraine's Yavoriv military grounds and is called Rapid Trident. This year there will be soldiers from 15 countries. US will have 200 troops.

Nathan, I hope your not listening to Radio Svoboda and expecting it to be true.

Having a go at answering the subject question...

- There wouldn't have been any turmoil in the Ukraine, had there not been Russian support with human resources (girkin, bezler and others who are as fortune would have it ALL happen to be Russian citizens), weaponry, troops;

- Putin had planned to play the banderevci card in Eastern Regions of the Ukraine as a diversion from the Crimea thing - fail (short term success)

- Putin wanted to bust his approval rating by making the Russians rallying around a national leader against the dummy external enemy - success (long term fail)

The bottom line of the story is that the Russians having wandered for almost quarter of a century got back to the starting point being too immature to adopt the basics of the democracy. Russia in its present borders will unlikely have another chance to develop in that direction. I would rather render the whole thing as Russian cultural crisis or even a catastrophe than that of Ukraine which to its misfortune happened to find itself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Russia has "thousands" of troops and hundreds of vehicles in Ukraine - NATO officer

"Russian troops are illegally in Ukraine..." - David Cameron, NATO summit, Wales

Mariupol city or nearby seems to have just been shelled, military vehicles ablaze, according to BBC News a few moments ago. I don't know how accurate their report is, but their were pictures of relatively small fires.

youtube.com/watch?v=fE9nYC1bDNs

ukra fascist running away from mariupol
Most if not all of the comments are YAY they're leaving!
here's one: "Ukraine goodbye, we always will remember the victims and the grief that you brought us.
dig deeper if want to find the truth.lay off watching BBC for god sake

Mariupol is that the city that the neo nazi Azov battalion shot unarmed civilians several months ago when they occupied that city?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

I see Poroshenko admitting that others were supplying Ukraine with precision weapons despite NATO denials and the NATO Secretary General, one of the guys who lied about Iraq and WMDs when he was Danish PM is upset about the possibility of peace breaking out.

I wonder if any of these weapons were used to murder civilians that until recently was under reported in the English speaking world?

No, Mariupol is the Ukrainian city, where:


youtube.com/watch?v=RbIVD8lWw2E
youtube.com/watch?v=tZFz_QXyNCI

I agree that Mariupol is a Ukrainian City and should remain a Ukrainian City. My point was that the shooting of unarmed civilians by the neo nazi Azov battalion, a battalion given legitimacy by the regime in Kiev, was a bad thing.

Nazis tend to do bad things.

Yes, Barney, but almost all the nazis you see exist only in your imagination. Or would you perhaps like to finally like to go into detail about the neo-nazis you claim are in charge of various Ukrainian govt ministries?

Are you calling Barney a liar Harry ?

His own words show that he is. For example:
he said that the Ukrainian Interior Minister, Arsen Avakov, founded the Ukrainian Nazi Party;
he said that the current acting president of Ukraine stood in the 2010 presidential elections and got 1% of the vote;
he said that special police units were sent to Odessa in response to the deaths there before the deaths happened;
he said that the secretary of an advisory state body to the president of Ukraine is able to control the composition of the National Guard of Ukraine;

he said that the secretary of an advisory state body to the president of Ukraine is in direct control of the security services, which are actually under the control of the Interior Minister; and

he said that Neo-nazis are in control of the Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education ministries.

Mad is as mad does