Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Ceasefire reportedly imminent.

However, I don't feel optimistic about it. I hope to be totally wrong about my doubts.


(Sky News)
I hope that's just celebratory fireworks.

But somehow I doubt it.

BBC correspondent reports ceasefire holding now, guns largely silent. But cautions it's only a few hours in, of course.

Shall we pray..................
My worry is that if NATO intervenes and bloodies Putins nose to bad that things
are going to go south fast.
We all know what happened at Chernobyl.............
Ukraine has six nuclear reactors.
Closest to the fighting is Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Station, which houses six separate reactors.
They were built and designed for peace not war.
If one of those goes up I am afraid this will esculate into a nuclear WW3.
The poor innocent people for generations........................
Hopefully everyone will pick up and go back home before it's to late.

Truce "broadly holding...some claim violations...much calmer in Donetsk...Ukraine troops under fire 10 times since yesterday evening" says BBC

Poroshenko interview yesterday (Hardtalk): bbc.co.uk/programmes/n13xtmdc

Freedom is not free as the Uki's have lost tens of thousands of people so far.
The cost of this mess is stagering as well.
Poland is the only country that comes near paying their share.
NATO has ask members to spend 2 percent of their gross domestic product on their armed forces.
Estonia is one of them and Poland the richest country is at 1.95 percent.
The United States citizens paid over 600 billion or 36% on their armed forces to protect the world.
I can only imagine the schools and health care that money could have bought the U.S. citizens.
Freedom is not free.

Russia has broken the ceasefire again: near Mariupol there are heard explosion and Russians started shooting using Grad missiles onto Ukraine's army positions. Once again, it became obvious that degenerate Putler has no honor or word. Putin should be eliminated. No matter who does it, this lowlife has to rot in ground.

more and more fanatic Chechen coming to fight for Ukraine,under command of Brigadier Gen. Isa Munaev. those are Islamic fanatics who wants to create Caucasus caliphate

Munaev is one of Dudayev man.:
rferl.org/content/caucasus-report-chechens-fighting-for-ukraine/26558104.html
.who is terrorism supporter now?looks like criminals in Kiev adopting everything most evil things in world to destroy east.ukraine people.
fascist banderist ideology,NKVD units in ukra army,Islamist fanatics, fascist armed militia from around the world,mafia like oligarchs and their bounty hunters
yea..welcome to EU and European values.

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  islamic fanatics in ukrainian army
  
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  lol.KhAdyrov. pro russian Head of the Chechen Republic
  

Here is Kadyrov (not Khadyrov) who sends on Putin's orders Chechen terrorist into Ukraine. The relationship between Putler and Kadyrov is very close. Kadyrov is responsible for the assassination of Anna Politkovkaya, a Russian journalist who exposed the horrors of Putin's politics during the war in Chechnia. Putin allegedly pays every year to Kadyrov a set amount of money in order for the latter to keep Chechnia at peace.

yea i know who he is.and mortal enemy of Islamist Wahhabis,mujaheddins and other pro Caucasus caliphate scum
you again lie.it is known that pilitkovkaya was murdered by Chechen look like assassins,the rest is speculations.do you have an evidence they were Kadyrovscy? no -fo get lost with your lies

And how many more innocents is he murdering now?

much less than Ukra Junta,thats for sure

Whatever that means.

What do you think of the murder of Politkovskaya by Putin's assassins anyway?

evidence?

Yes, plenty of evidence and well publicised. Google it from a neutral non-Putinist source.

Unless you think she accidentally cut her head off whilst shaving...

you got problem with understanding?
i never said she wasn't murdered,i asked for evidence that was on Putin order...is that too difficult to understand for you?

Difficult for anyone to understand since you said nothing of the sort, Greggyboy.

Interesting that when you're reminded that Anna was murdered by Putinists you automatically segue to talking about it being on the criminal Putin's orders. Perhaps you speak truer than you know, or just as likely you:


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in the mean time.Poland and other 4 members of NATO strongly denied than they agreed to sell arms to Ukraine,as Ukraine reported(lied) earlier

Junta fell victim to the culture of lies they've created.lies lies lies,everyday


listen,i tell you slow ,so your slow brain can understand question.
you said its plenty of evidence in google about her being murdered by Putinist..why there is so problem with link???why not show us???where evidence of this?

you same filth as the one in Kiev you support..lies lies lies

Foreign policy, most pro-western magazine about Nazis in Ukraine,:

foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/30/preparing_for_war_with_ukraine_s_fascist_defenders_of_freedom

back to this image,i just noticed,this is Chechen Republic of Ichkeria flag,converted it into a province of the much larger Caucasus Emirate,by Umarov who subsequently became the self-proclaimed Emir of the entire North Caucasus region of Russia, declaring it a putative Islamic state of the Caucasus Emirate allied to Talibans and al-Qaeda .He taken responsibility for several attacks on civilian targets since 2009, including the 2010 Moscow Metro bombings and the 2011 Domodedovo International Airport bombing.[4] In 2012, Umarov ordered his followers to halt attacks on the civilian population of Russia, while leaving military and security personnel as legitimate targets"

now.Ukrainian officials welcomed them saying "they are very important assets to ukraine"
they are not even Musayev people,this is much much worse...nice ally Ukraine nice

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  this is Chechen Republic of Ichkeria flag
  

Newswires don't seem to report that denial, do they?

arabnews.com/world/news/626586
itv.com/news/update/2014-09-07/nato-to-arm-ukraine-claims-presidential-aide/

I agree that it does sound vague and uncertain.

gregy741, you have been warned before about personal insults towards other members. Please think twice next time, or you could find you won't be able to post again in this thread.

polish minister of defense just denied it about few hours ago -officially..stop lies man

If you look at the link from ITV, they say "provide" and "give" rather than sell. A much more appropriate way to help brave little Ukraine fight the criminal Goliath and its gas revenues.

Well, I wouldn't know if he had denied it unless it was in English, as I don't speak Polish. Perhaps you have a link to a Polish news story saying it's denied.

Your "Stop lies man" - unnecessary and inaccurate.

edit to add
OK, here is a news story that agrees it has been denied, just found it: in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/07/ukraine-crisis-nato-arms-idINKBN0H20FM20140907

The important thing is that they get the resources they need to resist the Putinist invasion. Today eastern Ukraine, tomorrow Estonia, the day after - Poland.

resources they have,tons of armor,its the will they lack,very low morale and terrible command.lots of Ukrainian people doesn't want this war and lots soldiers deserter and not willing to fight this ugly war of oligarchs.

advanced weapons are useless in hand of low morale and unskilled soldiers.they cant operate mortar properly,
not to mention cost of it.one patriot missile cost hundreds of thousands dollars to fire.and they want precise weaponry,which they will leave behind and run like tons of tanks they have left in the past. who gonna pay for that?

OK, although it seems it will only be helmets etc. If you watch the Hardtalk interview (link as posted earlier), what does PP say towards the very end about the nationalists and that unit fighting for Ukraine? I'd be interested in your take on what he says.

Ukraine bombarded Spartak few hours ago,Residents of Donetsk, Ukraine, their homes set afire by shelling, use buckets of water to douse flames: ceasefire huh?


bbc rubbish..hope they asked him about Islamist fanatics battalions,ballistics missiles against civilians,white phosphorous, Nazi battalions,killing reporters,torture seps POWs..no? i wonder

Well, Hardtalk doesn't give anyone an easy ride. Judge for yourself, you obviously speak English:
Poroshenko interview (Hardtalk): bbc.co.uk/programmes/n13xtmdc

i use to watch it even the one with sikorski and question time,i remember one with nick griffin,they were so agressive and biased to the point i felt sorry for him.nasty politically correct propaganda tube.wrrrrrr

ok i go and watch this time.see what he says,but probably lies,demagogy and rhetoric in order to beg some money for his war

Personally I'm not a fan of BBC as well but you gregy741 are on the verge of paranoia. If there is something that you don't agree with, your instant response is lies, lies and more lies

Find counter-argument, from other sources to back it up your view(s) deduce from historical point of view, loaded with patterns and so on.
Talking about other sources one must be wary of Russian and/or Ukrainian media (including bloggers). Obviously, more often than not, each one of them will be one-sided thus not objective.

Ukraine is lost as we knew it. Don't see Crimea coming back. And Eastern Ukraine even if compromise is found in some autonomous state framework. The hate towards each other won't go away.

How country can function like that? Plus no matter how much EU or Russia will pour money in, it always won't be enough. (unless it is $ 300 billions/miliards package)

I don't see popular/mass patriotic movement in Ukraine, so I have no clue who will manage all those tanks and other equipment. Also don't remember when was the last Ukrainian warplane surfed Russian Ukrainian border.

For any country to function, the government must have backing of it's own people. And the number 1 priority is "bread". If there is "bread on the table" people will support government.

Again there is not enough money to go around for everyone in Ukraine to have the "bread" on the table.

Read this article:
online.wsj.com/articles/phil-gramm-and-michael-solon-a-lesson-for-america-in-polands-rise-and-ukraines-fall-1409353092
Note, Wall Street Journal in many cases want you to subscribe (pay) in order to view the full article. Logging in only, does not always work..

I have the full article downloaded, just in case ;-)