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pawian
8 Jun 2019  #751

White slave owners treated their slave with much more respect then did the 46,000 British slave owner or the Black slave owners.

So not Vikings but British for a change. When will you mention aliens? :):) Let me remind you, we are talking about White American slavery, not British, not Indian, not Viking, not alien. Are you able to comprehend what I am saying or not?

It seems you are aware of the fact you are losing this debate that is why you are consciously obfuscating it and twisting things. ):

PS. Yawn, guys, can you do sth with those morons so that they use more brains and show some knowledge instead of playing such primitive games?

johnny reb
8 Jun 2019  #752

Are you able to comprehend what I am saying or not?

Now pay attention here baby Chimp and we will read along together slowly so it sinks into that pea brain of yours.

The gest of this debate is that the White slave owners treated their slave with much more respect

Did you get it that time.
You are the one that wants to use Uncle Tom's Cabin (Fiction) as your source of how White slave owners treated their slaves.
I was simply showing you how the British and Black slave owners treated their slaves much worse then how the White slave owners treated theirs.

Now go to bed and think about how you can twist this debate into your favor because you just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper making yourself look like the idiot you are.

pawian
8 Jun 2019  #753

to use Uncle Tom's Cabin (Fiction) as your source of how White slave owners treated their slaves.

You must have missed that post, so here we go again: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_slaves_in_the_United_States

I was simply showing you how the British and Black slave owners treated their slaves much worse

What for? That`s pure obfuscation.

You said

There were very few White slave owners and the ones that did own slaves treated them very well.

Both statements were lies, of course. Who owned nearly 4 million slaves? White Americans. How did they treat their slaves? Mostly badly. Yes or not? Yes. So why are you mentioning Brits or Indians? White Americans abused their slaves in general and that`s what matters. No Brits or Indians or aliens will cover that up.

I wonder why you are in such a self denial. The need to defend America or just embarassment of being exposed as ignorant?

PS. Stop manipulating. it is useless. I can continue exposing your lies for ages here, do you really want it? USA News and Poland will debate American slavery for ever because you don`t want to admit your silly mistakes. And it will, I promise you, because I am as stubborn as a baboon. ):).

johnny reb
9 Jun 2019  #754

Who owned nearly 4 million slaves? White Americans.

No, Black Americans but you won't listen.
The evidence shows Blacks appear to have been beneficiaries of slavery.
They were proportionally greater black slave owners than whites.
You have been lied to as in, 'if you tell a lie often enough people will believe it is true" and that is you in this case.

Once you get that FACT cemented in your pea brain we can move on.

I am as stubborn as a baboon

Replace "stubborn" with "THICK" and you will be spot on.
You are trying to project slavery into one lump sum.
Was it James2 that sold 32,000 Irish prisoners to the U.S. for slavery ?
There were White slaves too.
And there were the domestic slaves that took care of their masters which were treated very well.
The further north you went in the States the better slaves were treated.
Then there were the southern plantation slaves owned mostly by Black's that were treated very bad.
Ya trackin' with me Professor ?
In 1856 Robert E. Lee (the South's General in the Civil War) called slavery "a moral and political evil."
Yet he concluded that black slaves were immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially and physically.
The fact is large numbers of free Blacks owned black slaves; in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large.
In 1860 before the Civil War the U.S census reported that only a small minority of whites owned slaves.
Now re read that slowly while taking notes.
Baboon I would love to sit in on one of your classes in Poland to shame you off your high horse in front of your Polish students.

With instructors like you and your propaganda it's a wonder the Polish students don't think the earth is flat.

cms neuf
9 Jun 2019  #755

Johnny before 1776 we were not talking about the US. Nobody would argue that Britain was not a grabbing imperialist power.

What I am saying is that the US has a long history of colonization and building a physical empire.

johnny reb
9 Jun 2019  #756

Yes the U.S. does have a long history of colonization.
European colonization of America from the early 16th century until the incorporation of the colonies into the United States of America.
In the late 16th century, England, France, Spain, and the Netherlands launched major colonization programs in America.
Can you be more specific in the point you are trying to make ?

cms neuf
9 Jun 2019  #757

That what Colin Powell said about only wanting a plot to bury their sacred dead in is sanctimonious messainic nonsense - US wars are often done in the interests of democracy but just as often in the material interests of the US.

If the Archbishop had not been so polite I presume he would've given Powell a history lesson.

johnny reb
9 Jun 2019  #758

Then you tell me what country the U.S. has captured in war and turned it into U.S. soil please.
Besides the Alamo.
Like Russia did with Crimea for example.

If the Archbishop had not been so polite

Polite hell, you could have heard a pin drop the old boy was so stymied.

Hey have you heard the latest......
Russian state TV is preparing to broadcast its own drama retelling the story of the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster, but unlike the acclaimed HBO series that has captivated audiences worldwide, the Russian version will suggest a CIA agent was there during the accident.

cms neuf
9 Jun 2019  #759

The Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Guam, Gurantannamo, Hawaii, the Panama Canal Zone

johnny reb
9 Jun 2019  #760

Wrong my friend,
The Republic of the Philippines is an independent nation.
It was a U.S. territory from 1898 until 1946, when it was granted full independence.
The U.S., not like Britain, gave this country back to them.
No, Puerto Rico is not legally part of the U.S.
It is a possession of the United States (Spanish-American War of 1898) It is a U.S. territory.
But it is an unincorporated territory, and it has not yet been incorporated into the U.S.
Therefore, it is not legally a part of the United States.
Puerto Rico does however get billions of dollars from disaster relief in hurricane efforts from the U.S. and enjoy the U.S. welfare system such as food stamps.

They are not allowed to vote however.
No, not Hawaii either.
Hawaii joined the United States in 1898 as a U.S. territory through the federal Newlands Resolution, which officially designated Hawaii as an annexed territory of the United States. Hawaii officially became a state in 1959 by vote.

No, not Panama either.
Panama is not US territory. In the past, a small section of Panama, mainly areas surrounding the Panama Canal were US territory under a lease agreement which ended with the Torrijos-Carter treaty.

In 1999, all US troops left Panama, and all American areas including Panama Canal, were handed over to the Panamanian Government.
The U.S. built Panama a very lucrative canal and gave it to them.
You must have had Baboon as a school teacher to be so confused about this subject.
Hope I straightened you out.

cms neuf
9 Jun 2019  #761

? Of course they are independent now. It is 2019.

But by your bizarre logic then Britain, Holland, France etc we're also not colonists as they no longer own India, Indonesia and Vietnam.

Ironside
9 Jun 2019  #762

we are talking about White American slavery,

what are you talking about? OK, I will give a shot and take a wild guess. You're trying to bring slavery in the USA to annoy some people on this forum. Honestly people like you should be put to some honest work, you have tom much time on your hands and you don't know better.

pawian
9 Jun 2019  #763

what are you talking about? OK, I will give a shot and take a wild guess.

Yes, the problem with such morons is they don`t read the full discussion but pick one post out of context and comment bs. Why do you constantly want to make us believe you are a retard?

large numbers of free Blacks owned black slaves; in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large.

Huh, so you are learning in the process of our discussion! Good, you added "proportionately." But.....

They were proportionally greater black slave owners than whites.

... it is still false.

Of these, 3,776 free blacks owned 12,907 slaves, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people.

theroot.com/did-black-people-own-slaves-1790895436

I would love to sit in on one of your classes to shame you off your high horse in front of your students.

Better not. After reading your false opinions about slavery and the stupid way you stick to them like to Alamo, they will have to acknowledge you are a perfect example of a pathetic dumb Am Polack. Of course there are reasonable Poles in the USA and they make the majority, but the rest - retarded guys like you are the cause of all Polack jokes.

johnny reb
9 Jun 2019  #764

What I am saying is that the US has a long history of colonization and building a physical empire.

Of course they are independent now. It is 2019.

Well of course now that I gave you a history lesson with the facts.
I am glad you finally understand and agree with them.

such morons is they don`t read the full discussion but pick one post out of context

You just described yourself perfectly.
Sure I had to clarify with "proportionately" because you want to split hairs by adding to your original comments to spin your argument.
I will say it again, "Very few White's owned slave proportionately to Black slave owners at the start of the Civil War."
See I can cherry pick Google too in order to debunk your Google claims.
john-gaultier.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dirty-secret-left-does-not-want-you.html

retarded guys like you are the cause of all Polack jokes.

And here comes the hate from a Libtard when he has lost a debate as per usual.
I am surprised you didn't call me a racist too. lol
Did you hear the joke about the Polish school teacher that had a big mouth that kept making a clown out of himself ?
Ha ha ha, good one aye.

pawian
9 Jun 2019  #765

I will say it again, "Very few White's owned slave proportionately to Black slave owners at the start of the Civil War."

It is getting better with every post as you are adding new contexts but you are still lying. Is it through ignorance or consciously? Why do you mention proportions for the whole USA when you talk about White Christian slaveowners? Why do you omit the fact that the number of White families which owned slaves in southern states was 26%? What proportion does it constitute compared to black owners located in southern states, too?

5 states where slavery was legal : Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia 26%

Besides, 80% of Black slaveowners were of mixed race. They were the offspring of white masters and their female slaves. White American Christians forced sex on them and today retards like you blame those Blacks for keeping other slaves? You fekkin lying hypocrite!!!.

To sum it up:
Your silly claim about black owners of slaves as disproportionately higher than white owners is complete rubbish. Aren`t you really embarassed by these lies and manipulations?

I am surprised you didn't call me a racist too. lol

No, AM Polack retard is enough. And I also added hypocrite.

johnny reb
9 Jun 2019  #766

It is getting better with every post as you are adding new contexts

Now wait, isn't that what I just accused you of doing.
Oh yes, here it is.

because you want to split hairs by adding to your original comments to spin your argument.

An old Harry & delph grade school trick to keep people on the defensive when they have lost the debate.
You learned well from them.
Oh look, here is some more of you adding new context. lmao

Besides, 80% of Black slaveowners were of mixed race.

I know, it was me that sent you that article......remember.

Your silly claim about black owners of slaves as disproportionately higher than white owners is complete rubbish.

I was just showing you the Google article that claimed such that was in opposition of your Google claim clown.
You a little short for that one too ? lol
And yet again more anger and hate in your loss of the debate.
Better go make yourself another stiff one and call it a night loser.

Bluzeki
11 Jun 2019  #767

More predictions come to fruition:)
The continuous plunge of CNN and MSNBC ratings proves that fake news is a bad business strategy. Their catastrophic ratings decline have reached their lowest levels ever.

nypost.com/2019/05/01/cnns-ratings-drop-coincides-with-release-of-mueller-report
Im wondering who still watches this trash? I guess, only fools with TDS and Californians. Which probably wont be that many left after the healthcare new tax upon the citizens.

California gives free healthcare to Illegals!
foxnews.com/politics/california-democrats-full-health-benefits-illegal-immigrants-trump

And the American tax payers that don't have healthcare have top pay for it, what a deal!! This surely will be the nail in the coffin of the dwindling middle class of California.

Velund
11 Jun 2019  #768

Dems bribe future electorate, at the taxpayer's expense... But it is Russians, who meddle into US elections, no doubts...

johnny reb
11 Jun 2019  #769

The Dems hatred is reaching a fever pitch knowing they won't win in 2020

That and with the new investigations on the Dems colluding in the 2016 elections, obstructive justice (with Osama's Attorney General Loretta Lynch. meeting with Billy Clinton, BEFORE Crooked Hillary was questioned by the F.B.I. for her wrong doings just as one example of many) these Dems are starting to turn on each other in a fever pitch to save their ass from going to prison.

It has become a circle firing squat amongst them. lol
The Witch Hunt on Trump has boomeranged on the Dems and now they are on the hot seat.
It's just starting to get good as genius Trump has timed this perfectly so they won't have a snowballs chance in hell in 2020.

Watch the Opposition Party really start melting down now.

johnny reb
11 Jun 2019  #770

Sure Russia meddles into the U.S. elections just like the U.S. meddles in the Russian elections.
ALL super powers meddle in foreign elections.
Same game, different day.

Lyzko
11 Jun 2019  #771

How precisely is Trump trying to make America "great" again? I was raised with the understanding, especially from my WWII vet dad, that
America was always great, severe blemishes notwithstanding, and would remain so, thanks to FRD! The proviso for this being that the New Deal
is sacrosanct, and that no lamo excuses for its dismantling (no matter how "economically convincing" they may seem) ever be tolerated!

Yes Johnny, you bet I'm hateful; I hate the sin, not the sinner:-)

Bluzeki
11 Jun 2019  #772

Sure Russia meddles into the U.S. elections just like the U.S. meddles in the Russian elections.

When Barak Obama meddled in a foreign election with our tax dollars, it was ok, because hes a Democrat. And they know what is best!lol

The hypocrisy of the Left has NO bounds.

washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu

johnny reb
11 Jun 2019  #773

How precisely is Trump trying to make America "great" again?

I will take your bait and give you two examples how Trump is trying to make America Great Again and then you give me two examples of why you hate Trump and what he has done to destroy America.

First our trade deficit.
Other countries in the world have taken advantage of the U.S. generosity for to long now with a trade deficit in 2016 of 500 trillion !
Like China, Japan, Canada, Mexico and Germany who Trump has put his foot down on.
In 2018 the U.S. imported 296 billion from China yet China only imported 74 billion from the U.S.
Trump wants that balanced out or start putting tariffs on Chinese goods to balance it out.
Second our border wall that you Socialists (Democrats) want to keep the border wide open with 2,000 illegals entering our country every day for free housing, free healthcare, free schools, free food, free everything yet 3.6 million Black kids (citizens of the U.S.) live in poverty yet Democrats choose the Illegals first.

Trump wants to put an end to that.
The TSA won't let me take fingernail clippers when I board a plane yet you Democrats let 2,000 unchecked unknowns enter our country ever day.

From Drug dealers, dangerous toxic drugs under aged sex slaves, violent gang members, terrorists and who knows what else.
Trump wants to change that.
You Socialists want to disarm America and use trains for our transportation.
No thanks, I've seen where that leads.
I'll keep my truck and guns thank you.
Remember when we weren't given a choice on Obama Care ? Enjoy the Wall Lyzko.
Now your turn of why you hate Trump.

you bet I'm hateful; I hate the sin, not the sinner

You are getting very reckless with the truth their little guy.
I went to the search box at the top of the page and found you have made 131 hateful references about Trump.
See why nobody pays much attention to your hateful rants.
Waiting for your pointless merry go round reply as per usual.

Lyzko
11 Jun 2019  #774

Experts, Johnny Boy, such as the economist Paul Krugman, far more conversant in such things than either of us, have credited our Tweeter-in-Chief with hindering international trade, especially

with China, rather than helping!

Trump's a belligerent bully boy who'd be nothing without his dad's fortune to bolster his unrequited and relentless egotism.
He talks like a precocious forth, perhaps at best, fifth grader, who's read a few abridged books for school, thrown out the grist ( a la cream

spinach for those who can't digest the real veggieLOL), learned from daddyo Freddy to talk a good game, and once more, bully all critics into

submission.

He honestly DID miss his former calling as a borsht-belt insult comic in Vegas. He woulda made mullah hand over fist...on his own merits much less:-)

Miloslaw
11 Jun 2019  #775

JR 1 Lyzko 0.

johnny reb
11 Jun 2019  #776

Thanks Milo, did I call it or what.
The question was:

then you give me two examples of Trump and what he has done to destroy America.

And of course we already knew what his limp dick response would as I called it didn't I.

Waiting for your pointless merry go round reply as per usual.

And sure enough !
You are done here Lyzko, we all have your number of your hateful frivolous claims that you can't back up with facts.
You are typical Snowflake if there ever was one.

cms neuf
12 Jun 2019  #777

God knows what FRS means - Financial Reporting Standard in my line of work. Ask your supervisor for a new line to take - the stuff about Facebook is old hat. There are several right wing platforms now where you can comment freely - Facebook is for holiday snaps and photos of your ex enjoying herself.

johnny reb
12 Jun 2019  #778

Facebook is for holiday snaps and photos of your ex enjoying herself.

Buddy you just nailed it perfectly.
Let me brag about how happy and successful I am standing in front of my neighbors Benz with my 20 year old niece showing cleavage. lol

F.B. is just like the P.F..........you can be anyone you want to be......today I think I will be alert.
(Does anyone know what a Lert looks like ?)

Velund
12 Jun 2019  #779

God knows what FRS means

Federal Reserve System in that case. ;) Can I avoid use of products of that private corporation?

Ask your supervisor for a new line to take

I'll try. Those supervisors is like gremlins, you know, you see it somewhere but while you open your mouth to ask, they disappear.

Lyzko
12 Jun 2019  #780

The facts speak plainly enough for themselves, Johnny et al!

If you can't see that your "Emperor" Donald The Shameless has no clothes, that is, cannot see the blemishes, the tarnish in your "hero" because

I and others like me have the guts to puncture holes in your sacred cow, then you never really were behind Trump to begin with.

Admiring somebody also means admitting to their vices as well as their virtues.

That's called MATURE admiration where I come from.


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