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USA News and Poland - Part 4



Paulina
3 Mar 2021  #2,431

What is an independent source?

In my book - one that isn't funded by any government. Let's put it this way - it's obvious that a Russian state-owned news agency won't be unbiased and independent about American policies abroad (bombing Syria) that collide with Russian interests (Assad is Russia's ally). That's what I meant.

Novichok
3 Mar 2021  #2,432

Unless they didn't want him dead.

They don't care. Bringing him to the edge made him a martyr and an international celebrity. Bad move.
If he dies in prison for any reason, the whole world will know and scream. Bad situation. Put him in a solitary for his own protection, "civil rights" NGOs will go apes**it. Torture!!!

If he were really a serious threat to Putin, there are 27 ways to solve it - all appearing normal and with deniability, including a visit by two guys in long leather coats and an offer he would eagerly accept.

Paulina
3 Mar 2021  #2,433

Bringing him to the edge made him a martyr and an international celebrity. Bad move.

Killing him would make him an even greater martyr. Or it was a failure. It can happen to the best. In 1997 there was a failed assassination attempt by Mossad against Khaled Mashal. Mossad agents managed to poison him, but they got captured and as result Israel had to exchange the antidote for Mashal, who was in a coma, like Navalny, for their agents. The antidote was brought personally by the head of Mossad, Danny Yatom, to Jordan.

If he dies in prison for any reason, the whole world will know and scream.

And will probably forget/move on (especially that, of course, there will be a "sensible" health-related "explanation"), just like it was the case with Navalny's "predecessor" - Boris Nemtsov, who was murdered in 2015 close to the Kremlin walls less than two days before he was due to take part in a peace rally against Russian involvement in the war in Ukraine and the financial crisis in Russia.

and an offer he would eagerly accept.

Navalny doesn't strike me as someone who could be bought or threatened, tbh...

Novichok
3 Mar 2021  #2,434

Or it was a failure. It can happen to the best.

The best proof that it was not an attempt on his life came from Navalny; he came back.
I wouldn't if there was any chance that they simply botched it up. The second time around they might more successful.
No, thanks for that ticket to Moscow. I will stay here.

just like it was the case with Navalny's "predecessor" - Boris Nemtsov, who was murdered in 2015

That's one way. Another way: he got drunk and fell off the tenth-floor balcony. Later, they would find .25 in him.

jon357
3 Mar 2021  #2,435

Or it was a failure

They messed up with the timing. They also messed up spectacularly on their attack on the Skripals, though their accidental victim was not do lucky.

Paulina
3 Mar 2021  #2,436

The best proof that it was not an attempt on his life came from Navalny; he came back.

How is that a proof for that?

I wouldn't if there was any chance that they simply botched it up.

You wouldn't, I wouldn't... My friend from Moscow wouldn't either, I imagine... After Pussy Riot staged a performance in 2012 inside Moscow's Cathedral of Christ the Saviour as a sign of protest against the Orthodox Church leaders' support for Putin during his election campaign, they were arrested, charged with hooliganism and sent to corrective labour colonies in Mordovia and Perm Oblast. Both women sentenced had young children. My friend stated (she's also a mother) that she wouldn't decide to do something political that would get her to end up in a penal colony and leave her kids like that.

So, we wouldn't do it, but Navalny and Pussy Riot did... And Nemtsov and Politkovskaya did and payed the price... There are people who are capable of sacrifice in the name of higher values, greater good... I guess they're called heroes...

Novichok
3 Mar 2021  #2,437

Let's assume that it was an attempt on his life. Now, let's look at the collateral damage. None.
The US, on the other hand, ....you know the rest so I spare you from reading the list of very successful hits with plenty of collateral damage that stretches from that Iranian guy down to Vietnam where we killed 1,200,000 locals because we didn't like the idea of Vietnam having only one political party. The US also managed to send 58,000 men to their death for s**t and nobody in DC was even tried for that crime.

Now, we have our underwear in knots over Navalny...

Joker
3 Mar 2021  #2,438

Well Biden is taking heat for bombing Syria here in the U.S. too

Another missile attack in Iraq by Iranian militants...... 2 in one week!

cbsnews.com/news/rockets-strike-al-asad-airbase-iraq-hosting-us-troops/

What feckless move will the war monger Xiden do next? This idiot cant even control our Southern border that was stable when he came into office. He goes to sleep at 5pm and the BV takes over then. Our enemies are lovin it!

@ Novi
"Now, we have our underwear in knots over Navalny..."

Sounds like a topic for the Europeein News thread, yet they are sooo addicted to talking about the USA they must have forgotten! LOL




Novichok
3 Mar 2021  #2,439

in the name of higher values, greater good.

Being older and a lot more cynical, I don't believe that Navalny was motivated by any of those. His desire, until I see the evidence to the contrary, was to sit where Putin sits. The rest are the means.

Miloslaw
3 Mar 2021  #2,440

@Joker

So what should your idiot president do?
I would hit back.

Novichok
3 Mar 2021  #2,441

This idiot cant even control our Southern border

He controls it just fine the way traffic controllers at O'Hare control planes - just let them land and make room for the next one.

Sounds like a topic for the European News thread,

Thanks for bringing it up. I overlooked that...

Joker
3 Mar 2021  #2,442

So what should your idiot president do?

I wonder why Iran didnt do this when Trump was in office? It's because he threatened to wipe out their oil fields and infrastructure and they knew he would keep his word!

Now, with a return of Bidens/Obozos feckless policies the Iranians feel embolden. John Kerry was in Iran undermining the Trump admin the past 3 years which imho is treason.

Biden has been a total disaster with a crisis on our border and a looming war. All in one month!

Velund
3 Mar 2021  #2,443

sacrifice in the name of higher values

How much higher? In USD?

Miloslaw
3 Mar 2021  #2,444

@Joker

I am getting confused now.
You Yanks told us that Trump kept the peace and that Biden would start wars.
Do you want Biden to hit back or do you want him to back off like Trump did?

Paulina
3 Mar 2021  #2,445

Let's assume that it was an attempt on his life. Now, let's look at the collateral damage. None.

The collateral damage is Russia (besides Navalny's family, of course). Where would you prefer to live and where would you prefer to raise your kids and where would you prefer your grandchildren to grow up? In Russia or the US? In the US. How do I know that? Because that's where you live - you didn't move to Russia. There's no way in hell I would move there either, even from Poland.

I don't believe that Navalny was motivated by any of those. His desire (...) was to sit where Putin sits.

"The evidence to the contrary" is exactly the fact that Navalny came back to Russia when no sane person would. I think people who just want power don't risk this much, especially when their chances of getting that power are close to zero. Have you seen his photos at the hospital after the poisoning? No way... If I were his wife or kids it would break my heart...

Sounds like a topic for the Europeein News thread

Maybe mods could create a thread about Russia and move our posts there...

Joker
3 Mar 2021  #2,446

You Yanks told us that Trump kept the peace and that Biden would start wars.

Peace through strength was Trump motto. What did the Iranians fo after he took out Solomani???? Nada, zilch, nitz! What did Obozo/Biden do? Gave them pallets of our cash to try and buy them off! They used the money for terrorism. Now, they are going to try and milk them again.

@Paulina
Maybe mods could create a thread about Russia and move our posts there...

You can start one. No Problem, it would be better than Crows thread! haha

Paulina
3 Mar 2021  #2,447

How much higher? In USD?

Well, hello there, Putinist :)

What did the Iranians fo after he took out Solomani???? Nada, zilch, nitz!

bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51028954

"Iran has carried out a ballistic missile attack on air bases housing US forces in Iraq, in retaliation for the US killing of General Qasem Soleimani."

Joker
3 Mar 2021  #2,448

They warned the US Army beforehand and then purposely missed their targets by 100s of yards.

They hit nothing and not one soldier was hurt, it was all for show. With Xiden its a complete different story.

Paulina
3 Mar 2021  #2,449

They hit nothing

Besides an Ukrainian plane... All 176 passengers and crew were killed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines_Flight_752

Miloslaw
3 Mar 2021  #2,450

They hit nothing and not one soldier was hurt

Same in the recent attack.... no difference, just for show.

Joker
3 Mar 2021  #2,451

Besides an Ukrainian plane..

Obama was the President at that time, not Trump. It was Obama who sent "blankets" to the Ukraine instead of weapons.

Miloslaw
3 Mar 2021  #2,452

@Joker

I hated Obama, but sending weapons would just have caused more Ukrainian deaths.
He had two choices.
Do virtually nothing or put troops on the ground.
Given that choice, did he really make the wrong call?
Credit where credit's due.

Paulina
3 Mar 2021  #2,453

Obama was the President at that time, not Trump.

I see you didn't check the link I posted:

"The shootdown occurred during the 2019-2021 Persian Gulf crisis, five days after U.S. President Donald Trump launched a drone strike that killed IRGC Major General Qasem Soleimani in retaliation for the 2019-20 attack on the United States embassy in Baghdad by Kata'ib Hezbollah, and hours after Iran launched missiles on U.S. bases in Iraq."

Wasn't it a big news in the US? I must admit I've read about it on socnet.com, but it must've been on the news in USA too... o_O

Miloslaw
3 Mar 2021  #2,454

but it must've been on the news in USA too

Maybe they didn't see it if they only watch Fox News.......

jon357
3 Mar 2021  #2,455

I hated Obama, but sending weapons would just have caused more Ukrainian deaths.
He had two choices

I liked him (and still do) however with military actions, choice works in a specific way. All possible actions and outcomes are gamed, assigned probabilities and chewed over by chiefs of staff, by strategists, by economists before their advice is given to whoever signs it off. A wise leader listens to the specialists, and President Obama did.

Velund
3 Mar 2021  #2,456

Well, hello there, Putinist :)

Why not? I always liked countries with constitutional monarchy. Putin here is maximum possible approximation to that. ;)

And about "much higher values". ;) Actives, that was found belonging to Nemtsov after their death, make many people think that oppositional activism may be VERY profitable "profession". ;)

jon357
3 Mar 2021  #2,457

Putin here is maximum possible approximation to that. ;)

An elderly murderous kleptocratic dictator, whose inner circle sharpen their knives every time he sneezes?

Velund
3 Mar 2021  #2,458

An elderly murderous kleptocratic dictator

Not so elder as your own marasmatic, Not so murderous (I suspect that Obama and Trump killed much more people abroad each in same time). About kleptocracy - you have to present an example (at least something beyound usual "everyone knows"). And he is very liberal dictator, of course, we like it.

jon357
3 Mar 2021  #2,459

Not so elder as your own marasmatic

He's a decade and a half older. And Johnson for all his faults is the opposite of marasmatic. He ha# the body of someone who enjoys his food.

Unlike Putin who daren't smile in case his face falls off (and can't do much in the way of facial expressions anyway due to botulism injections}

kleptocracy

What is the source of the kleptocrat Putin's wealth?

Paulina
3 Mar 2021  #2,460

Why not?

Yeah, to each their own, I guess... After all, there were people who voted for Hitler... It's just... I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them :)

Actives, that was found belonging to Nemtsov after their death

That is very convenient that those were "found" after his death :) After all - dead people can't defend themselves :))) Oh, Velund... I've discussed with Russians for quite a few years... Do you think I'm stupid? Please, spare me this kind of crap... For your kind anyone who's against Putin is "a jackal waiting in line to the US Embassy to get their dollars". You realise that this type of thinking isn't normal?


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