USA News and Poland - Part 6

We crossed that bridge a long time ago and have the 2nd Amendment to make sure that we will not become a fascist state like Australia.

You are making a good point about age. No, 18-year-olds should not be able to buy guns, vote, or enlist.
So, instead of another stupid gun law, how about protecting schools the way we protect courthouses.

Money isn't the problem. The US is a much richer country than Poland and yet we don't have such mass shootings at schools. The problem is the allergy of Americans to gun access/ownership restrictions.


According to BBC onlookers say that they were urging the police to go in while the killer was in school from 40 minutes to an hour:

bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61588274

What was the police waiting for?

Guns are not the problem. Cops and gun stores have plenty of guns and no mass murders. Whites in the US are no more violent than the Poles in Poland. It's the leftists and their voter base - aka Blacks and Latinos - that is the reason for our 5 per 100k murder rate.

And lawyers. Just yesterday, I spoke to our state representative, Tom Morrison, and suggested that the first step is passing a Good Samaritan law that would immunize those who are licensed and trained from criminal charges and financial ruin if they decide to return fire and kill a bystander.

Cops are in the same category. The result: let them die attitude - supported by the Supreme Court decision that cops are not legally required to respond to 911 calls.

That is why the cops in Texas "didn't notice" an AR on an 18-year-old a-hole walking into an elementary school full of 10-year-old kids.

Only 18 year olds that have served in the military should be allowed to own a military grade weapon to start with.
The military does psychological back background checks and train's how to respect such a weapon.

Now if this doesn't just take the cake......
obama said yesterday in a statement grieving the massacre of children in Uvalde that we should all take time to remember "the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer."

You can't make this sht up !

@Novichok, this time the boy was a Latino:

washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/25/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-gunman/

...but from what I've noticed those mass school shootings in the US are usually perpetrated by white boys/men. Those are not gang members walking into schools and shooting kids.

This 18-year-old boy legally bought "a semiautomatic rifle at a local gun store on May 17, bought 375 rounds of ammunition the next day, then went back to the local gun store on Friday to purchase a second semiautomatic rifle."

So a 18-year-old can simply walk into a gun store in the US and buy two semiautomatic rifles and loads of ammunition? Just like that...??

Do you realise how absolutely insane this sounds to someone in Poland?

But, they are always perpetrated by asocial boys from dysfunctional families.

That's the thing... In Poland in order to get a gun permit you have to:

- be 21-year-old (you can be a 18-year-old in case of sports weapons);
- provide medical and psychological evaluation confirming that you can own and use a gun;
- no problems with the law - you can't be a former convict;
- provide a positive opinion from the local police;
- have an important reason to own a gun;
- pass theoretical and practical exams concerning: knowledge of the law pertaining to gun use, safe gun use, practical shooting exam.

Thanks to such law there's a little chance that a gun can be bought legally by a mentally ill or mentally unbalanced person, a criminal, or someone too young and too stupid or irresponsible.

Even if you take out the "important reason to own a gun" and all the exams, it still would be a good law that would sieve out the worst psychos and troublemakers and prevent them from owning a gun.


With the use of guns...

No, actually the laws in USA aren't too different from Poland. You first need to get a background check before you can get a firearm and you have to take a course if you want a concealed carry permit. It's meant to root out people with violent crimes, mental disorders, etc. Thing is, there is very little help now for people with mental problems. Basically all the government facilities have been closed down. The rule of thumb is just to lock up people with mental problems in jails/prisons.

This guy was 18 so there likely was nothing on his record that would legally prevent him from purchasing a firearm.

@Dirk diggler, but as far as I understand there are different laws in different states?


Do you have to provide a permit/evaluation from a doctor and a psychologist like in Poland?


The same is in Poland, unfortunately... Psychiatric wards are overcrowded and in a bad shape, you have to wait a long time to get an appointment with a psychologist. There aren't enough child therapists (the situation is especially bad in child psychiatry).

@Paulina

We have rules also, some the same as Poland.


And the point is? The worst massacre in the US in US history was by explosives. The point is a deranged person intent on violence will find a way to perpetrate that violence. If the real problem was gun access, the US would be on the verge of extinction (slight hyperbole) because we have more guns in the civilian population than we do people in the entire population.

England, especially Scotland, in the not too distant past had a serious knife violence problem. From everything I know about it, there was never much, if any, call for stricter knife laws. Instead, they became proactive in hedging the violent act-not the weapon.

This problem will never be solved by more gun restrictions, it's literally impossible. It'll only be solved or, at least, seriously mitigated by proactively addressing the behavior. That means better security (technological as well as specially trained security guards -police won't do, they aren't trained as security guards), more resources for mental health, identifying red flags and supporting those raising red flags, and, dare I say, promoting more stable family life. It's difficult, but more gun restrictions are meaningless and ineffectual.

@AntV, maybe the problem is that the US has only some rules the same as in Poland and not all of them? I don't know, so I'm asking... What is the law in the US exactly?

Why 18-year-old boys in Poland aren't buying semiautomatic rifles and going into schools and shooting little kids?


Unlike guns, knives are needed for everyday use. You need a knife to cut bread, veggies, peel an apple, etc. You don't need a gun to cut bread. That's why it's easier to restrict gun ownership than... knife ownership.

Also, you can do much more damage with a semiautomatic rifle than with a knife. Someone with a knife can be overpowered by a few people. Someone with a semiautomatic rifle can kill a few unarmed people even before they think about overpowering the attacker. There is a difference.


Those dead kids in the school in Texas.


I think gun restrictions should be part of the solution, not the only solution, obviously.

No, but that would prevent a lot of sick minded people from owning guns. Such a law would never pass though. There's way too many gun owners and a very powerful lobby.


Yes, some states for example allow private party sales without any sort of checks besides showing an ID which is a big thing the federal government wants to clamp down on. I know most stores and private sellers are pretty good about sales and record keeping but not all. In the Chicago area there's hundreds of gun stores, but an investigation found that only 4 or 5 were the ones really driving all the gun sales that ended up being used in crimes.

In some states you don't need a license to buy a shotgun or rifle, but you do a handgun (which makes no sense to me personally), in others you don't need a license to buy all 3, in others you need a license to buy all 3.

Some states leave disrection up to state police, other's don't. Some require you to show "good cause", other's don't.

You go across state lines and the laws can be vastly different for things like firearms, marijuana, gambling, etc. Here for example there's slot machines at every other gas station and you can buy marijuana legally, but gun laws are fairly strict. You go 20 miles west and gambling is restricted to "riverboats" (basically a barge in a shallow river), you can get years for possessing a couple hundred bucks worth of weed, but gun laws are pretty lax.

I think it's really messed up that we've had over 20 school shootings this year. Every single day there's murders in my city and countless shootings, car jackings, robberies, etc. I don't like guns but would I give mine up? Not until I can feel safe enough to drive around without worrying about getting car jacked or getting in the middle of two other cars shooting it out. I doubt that'll ever happen. My dad almost got shot a few months ago just driving on the highway minding his business. Luckily the bullet ended up in the back of his car but if he were driving slower it was at a height where it could've hit him in his chest or neck. And it was a big 45 cal so I doubt he would've survived.

That's why I love Poland though. I could go to the worst neighborhood area in town and the worst thing that will happen is some drunk might hassle me demanding a couple zloty. At most it'll be a fist fight, if it gets to knives that's considered serious. If there's a shooting it's like nationwide news. Here that's just another day. No one wants to be a man and get in a fight anymore win lose or draw. I remember even in the old neighborhood, two guys who were friends were arguing, one starts whooping on the other, they shake hands, yet the one guy who lost felt like he lost face went in his house, grabbed a pistol, shot the other guy in the face. There were pieces of brain and skull chips all over our downstairs neighbor's car. This was a family who just came from Poland and they're cleaning brain matter off their pos Buick like wtf did we sign up for.

Before the day ends there's gonna be anywhere from 5-12 shootings and at least 2 dead. The worst thing is that no one is immune from it. Before it use to be localized on the south and west side but now it's also on the north side where a lot of Polish people live and downtown where there's tons of tourists.

Even worse, memorial day weekend is coming up. There's going to be dozens dead. The worst is always July 4 because people settle scores under the cover of fireworks.

A lot of the killing is done by young kids even like 12, 14 years old. The guys will give them a couple hundred bucks and a pair of jordan's to take someone out. And if they get caught, which is a very low probability as something like only 10% of murders are solved, they'll be out within a few years anyway since their juveniles. They get taken advantage of and sent out to slaughter and gets slaughtered. It's pretty sad.

Not the knives used in murders. Nobody needs the stabbing kind.


The US is a mosaic of madness turning into a pile of lawless unmanageable crap. If you can move, I envy you. Too late for me.

@Dirk_diggler, true, I still remember a case when a uni student got killed with a knife in a club in my city even though it was years ago:

echodnia.eu/swietokrzyskie/25-lat-za-smierc-w-galaktyce/ar/8279278

This shocked the whole city, there was an anti-violence march going through the streets of Kielce, demanding better safety measures in clubs...


That's the problem then...

And all those different gun laws in different states ... Damn... o_O I understand that the US has a federal state system, but this sounds like such a mess...


Jesus...
It sounds horrible... Like some favela in Brasil or something... :( And I thought drunks in Poland are bad... lol ;/

It's gotten a lot worse I'll tell you that much. Even other areas aren't quite as peachy as they use to be - places where I've vacationed as a kid have been hit hard by meth, fentanyl, unemployment, etc.

But ya I'm definitely not raising my kids here. No fuckin way.

In Poland you aren't allowed to carry a knife during mass events, like a concert or a football match, for example. In some European countries laws are stricter than in Poland though (Denmark, France, Hungary, the UK).

In Poland you can get 5 years in prison for standing with a knife in your pocket at an open air concert, for example.

And yet people still get stabbed.
Go figure.

@johnny reb, where? At open-air concerts in Poland?

My point was you can make all the laws you want to but there will always be those few crack pots that ignore them and ruin it for everyone.

@johnny reb, well, true, that's how it's been since the dawn of time... It doesn't mean that there should be no laws though.

More bad news from Texas. The husband of one of the murdered teachers has died of a heart attack less than 24 hrs after the shootings. There is a good chance that it was brought on by grief. Four children are now left without a mother and father.

And ruin what for eveeyone?
The right ro own a gun?
You guys have been proved wrong time and time again and yet you still don't get it?
But it is pointless arguing against you, because you are brain dead in this dept.

@Vincent

Not surprising really.
This whole traumatic event could have been avoided, like so many others, if Americans really thought this through and grew some balls, instead of cowardly hiding in the shed with a legally owned military style gun.

It is obvious that Americans' access to weapons must be restricted. On the other hand, it is known that it will never happen. It's a pity, a great pity.

Obvious to everyone except the majority of Americans!

Great post mate!

See......there is still some sanity left; Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt has signed a bill requiring public school students to use only the bathroom of the sex listed on their birth certificate.


Exactly, as we told all the gun grabbers to move to the U.K. with the pansy asses if they didn't like guns but nobody left.

An AR15 is not much better as a killing machine than a cheap 17+1 pistol when some pos wants to shoot kids in a locked room. So give that military-style bs up.

The Texas a-hole bought it legally so pushing background checks is a waste of oxygen. Raising the age limit is bs, too, or there would not be parties where 16-yo get drunk.

The point I am pursuing now is how to stop anyone from bringing a gun into a school, not how to confiscate 420,000,000 guns already out there.

So far, after many calls and visits, including one to the courthouse in Rolling Meadows, it is clear that the system is broken and nothing is being done.

Final point. Fu*ck off of Americans and their love of guns. Either you have something constructive to offer or STFU. This is an example of pure bull:


...and is no better than "let's do something". Or, let's have a law against murder.

LOL

I knew the Limey Lounge would be in full force, chiming in as always!

Good forbid the next Muzzie attack so we can rub it in!

I still rather live in the USA instead of that war torn toilet known as Europe. You clowns have never been able to get along with one another and its on full display now. How many world wars must the Europeans start? We sick of defending you idiots!

While we are defending Poland and that strategic piece of real estate known as Ukraine...Quoting Yahoo:

Police face growing criticism over response to Texas school shooting as parents speak out

Ramos shot most of his victims inside the school within the first few minutes of entering, Escalon said. He was unable to explain why it took an hour for a federal special weapons team to enter the classroom and kill the gunman.

I am able. Why risk your pension if you don't have to? You shoot a kid and it's bye-bye - if you are lucky to stay out of the fed pen.

The best way to stay safe and retire is to wait until the guy is out of ammo and all that annoying screaming stops.

The most maddening thing about cops is that if by some luck a couple of good guys with ARs attempted to storm that classroom, the cops would stop them and thus protect the shooter. No, I am not making it up. It already happened.

I am a genius...After my Post 329, I found this. Quoting dailymail:

'The police were doing nothing': Uvalde police handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who urged them to storm the school - including the dad of a murdered girl and a mom-of-two who got free, jumped a fence and rescued her kids HERSELF

Cops are the enemy and cause crime. Without them, all adults would be packing and there would be no crime. All they can do is count the bodies and file reports.