USA News and Poland - part 11

@jon357
You do know that is was Democrats that wanted to keep blacks from voting before the 50's and it was democrats who started the civil war after Lincoln a republican gave them their freedom? So I ask you, why would 198 democrats vote against proof of citizenship to vote in US elections just the other day? Why would many democratically controlled States tie drivers licenses to voter registration? Say what you want about me, dislike me, what ever. I have seen people registered to vote with Canadian and Polish citizenship. I have seen people, family members never naturalized, vote in presidential elections. When I moved from NY to Michigan I simply turned in my old license and got a new one and was automatically registered to vote with no check of citizenship. Explain why its ok for Poland to require proof of citizenship and not the US.

When nearly every other country in the world requires proof of citizenship, its only the United States thats being racist and voter supressing when its own citizens want proof of citizenship laws? If thats not completely fvcked up thinking nothing is.

Southern Democrats were a hangover from the Civil war. In modern times democrats of all persuasions oppose all attempts at disenfranchisement.

Yes. Southern 'democrats'.

The idea that millions of 'non-citizens' (why not just give them citizenship?) are illegally voting is laughable.

I'd worry more about voting corruption from right-wingers.


Did you not contact whatever the equivalent is there of Returning Officers and the Electoral Commission to report those crimes?

@jon357
Why not give them citizenship? Simple. They broke the law when corssing the border without going through the proper channels. So, deport them. Just like Poland would do, and make them go through the process like every other country does. Why again is it ok for every other country to require proof of citizenship and not the US? I never said millions were voting illegaly. I said there are millions of voters who are being removed from voter rolls and thats what should happen.

As for my family members who are long since dead, had I known before seven years ago that they voted illegally I would have stopped them.

@Barney
So it would be ok if I brought my children and grandshildren to Poland and had them vote? Even if they have not claimed their citizenship yet? Or would it be ok for you to go to Germany to vote? Or Jon to go to Italy? Its not a big deal for anyone with citizenship to prove it. Birth certificate or naturalization card everyone has them.

From the legal perspective that would be perfectly acceptable, given that they already are Polish citizens.


From the perspective of Polish law whether a person has claimed Polish citizenship or not does not affect that person's responsibilities. I'd tell you to Google "passport trap" but we know how little you care about your legal responsibilities.

Why does jon (Mr. Twister) expect us to defend ourselves to his slight twist of words (lie) that are not our words but his.
Its getting old jon.

It doesn't matter how many times you lie about what you said, you still said it:

@PolAmKrakow
The allegation is that there is massive electoral fraud in US elections but no evidence is ever produced. Trump's legal team with all the resources it had couldnt produce any evidence. The measures are designed to disenfranchise people and backfired in Arizona where suddenly the GoP are happy to waive their own rules.

These measures are a bit like racists denying being racist by claiming that they simply dont like people with curly hair.

Is that reason to deny someone citizenship?


I'd probably not have stopped mine. The UK is asking for ID now at polling booths (inconvenient because like you, we don't have ID cards) and it hasn't made much difference. It just stopped a load of old people voting since they didn't realise that their bus pass was OK as ID but some other things weren't.


How did ineligible people get on the voter rolls?

It is definitely a reason to deny citizenship. It is a reason everywhere else in the world. Poland, UK, every other nation requires citizenship. Starting off by entering any country illegally is not how citizenship can be obtained. Not anywhere, unless like the EU they have a migrant policy. The US policy is thats anyone crossing illegally has committed a crime and should be deported. Thats the law, and Biden refuses to enforce it.

As for my family, I didnt know they were never naturalized until I got the census records and passenger manifests. Was funny too because some were so "patriotic".

Ineligible people get on voter rolls all the time. When people die they should be removed, but most States do not do it. This leads to some fraudulent mail in ballots. People who are not legally able to vote can register just about anywhere. NY for instance elections.ny.gov/voter-registration-process you can register online and you only need a NYS identification card. Anyone can get an ID card if they live anywhere in NY State. All you need is proof of residence like a gas bill or lease, and any other government document, such as your processing documents after crossing into the border on Biden's "parole" program. No brith certificate, nothing else. Anyone can get a social security card in the US as well, and for many years this was counted as a form or identification, like anyone can get a PESEL if they fill out the right paperwork.

Poland though, and the EU in general has much better controls in place with all the digital ID's and having to use bank accounts to digitally sign documents among other things. The US because States make their own voting laws, has 50 different piles of sh1t to comb through when it comes to voting problems. Proof of citizenship fixes all of those problems with one law. So why are democrats voting against it?

They very clearly did not do so in the dozens of millions. Even PolAm knows that. Or at least he realised that when repeatedly challenged to substantiate one of the things he heard in the far-right echo chamber and realised that he can't (because it isn't true) and so now he's trying to claim that

and

When he very clearly said

Actually you are Correct again PolAm.
Here is a tid bit to prove it.

brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/voter-purges

Over the last two decades, jurisdictions have substantially increased the rate at which they purge voter rolls. According to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, over 19 million voters were removed from the rolls between 2020 and 2022. That is an increase of 21 percent compared with 2014-16, which was already an increase of 33 percent from the number of voters removed between 2006 and 2008.

I really don't understand the problem.

All voter lists should be erased to zero the day after the elections.

If you want to vote, register in person a month before the next elections with a photo ID, proof of citizenship, and address in hand.

Novi, you are a damn genius.
Each time to register to vote, a U,S, passport, or a birth certificate with a matching drivers license or State i.d. card with photo's on them.
Just a drivers license or a mailing address or a green card would not be considered valid i.d.
Problem solved.

@johnny reb
This is all that any republican wants. Not a big deal for any American citizen. If you are a "homeless" person who wants to vote, or something along those lines, there should be a secondary process with SSN, and or finger prints. This is something that protects every Americans right to vote and be counted. Only the democrats dont want it, and we know exactly why they dont want it. I had to fill out an online form, and submit it to my local county clerk in the US, along with my SSN, local address and signature scanned to match against prior signatures. Took me all of 15 minutes.

Some interesting polls this week show Harris bringing more states into play - Iowa and Florida, even Alaska looking much closer. She akso started doing interviews which sound way more normal than Trump's do.

Make it "every honest tax-paying" American and I am with you. Minimum age - 30.

Seniors and the disabled should count as half a vote. Active duty military should count as two votes.

Naturalized immigrants - 0.


If you consider talking like a retard as normal...

The problem with the US elections is not that they "rigged". It's the voters whose brains are rigged and it's getting worse...

Just a couple decades back, things were semi normal. Today, 20% of high school girls identify as LGBTs. In a year or two, these trendy morons will be US voters.

God, have mercy on the nation...

Harris can win the popular vote and lose the electoral college just like Hillary did. Just like Al Gore did. Polls mean nothing. And any poll coming out of Florida saying Harris is closing the gap must be done by some drunk college kids.

Just a reminder...Hillary would have won but for the Green party candidate who took enough votes away from her in the Midwest for Trump to win.

Rich, I think every adult citizen should have their "warm body" 1 vote anyway. If citizen paid amount of taxes more than got benefits (i.e. net donor of budget) in a period since last elections - plus one vote. Active military duty - plus one vote. Degree of completed higher education - plus one vote. Maybe something else... And maximum 4 votes per person. Migrants without citizenship - 0 votes.

Of course she will easily win the popular vote - that's not even in doubt. I said 7 million votes. It might be closer to 9 million the way things are going.

I don't think a Republican has won the popular vote since 2004, and only once in the last 30 years.

As I already predicted, she will win the electoral college. Will lose Michigan but win North Carolina.

Migrants - one bullet at the border before they set foot on US soil.


A year later, Americans will be moaning: What have we done! How could we be so stupid!

So, for your convenience, azholes, the highlighted text is ready to cut-and-paste. Feel free as there is no copyright involved.

This is the Polish policy and I love it. For every one shot, 100 turn around and go home.

If Harris does somehow win, it will be the end of the US as we have known it. You will see money leave the country between the election and her taking office like never before. You will see citizenships being renounced like never before and they are at record levels now. This stupid **** will prove once and for all that the woke leftist agenda is the death of all that makes the constitutional republic of the United States great. I have no problem personally punching anyone who supports he in the face just for the sake of their unbelievable stupidity.

@PolAmKrakow Thanks for the reminder of what a charming gentleman you are. I wonder such action would lead to you being charged as a habitual offender.

In other news, your ol' buddy Jimmy still claims that you're going to kill me and that I'm a dead man walking. Would you mind getting a move on with that? I'm much looking forwards to almost laughing myself to death at your best shot.

Jimmy also suggested it to me when I had tensions with Dirk or Ptak. :):):):) It is obvious he loves using proxies aka sock puppets to settle his accounts. hahahaha

A nation where the majority of under 25 believe that a man can be a woman by just saying "I am a woman" and where LGBT creeps are normal is doomed.
Biologically, it should cease to exist.

Compared to me, PAK could be Pope.

The US and Europe need NAZIs - or both will die by dilussion - another form of genocide...

That is why an invasion by an army is a walk in the park when compared with the invasion by women, babies, and military-age men.

That invasion is deadly to the natives since they can't shoot them.

That's why the only defense are men without such scrupules. Or perish...

Especially the one from the past. Some of those MA or Reneisance popes were real rascals......

@pawian
Do we want to talk about baboon behavior?

No coz that`s the nastiest of all. :):):)
However, baboons have always been so while Polams had used to be much better in the past before they went to the dogs..... :):):)