USA News and Poland - part 14

@Lenka
Why the tariffs? Because the EU has a 10% tariff on all US made cars. So to make up for decades of inbalance 25% for a decade is perfect. Thats fair. 25% as of midnight this morning. Every German and Italian auto maker is $hitting themselves.

The tariff situation has been explained to the Europeans over and over, yet they still can't comprehend how they have been cheating us for decades. Raise the tariffs higher, especially on their precious cars and champagne.


Payback is a biatch:)


Lets make a wager then.... I say, Europe folds quicker than a house of cards!

The difference in the average tariffs between the US and the EU is less than 0.5%, its a lie to say that Europe is ripping off the US. The US gets favourable rates.

If I were you I would be careful trying to explain something when you clearly dont understand what you are trying to explain.

Want to see the US getting screwed then slap universal tariffs on EU products. You will quickly find that all US services will be regulated to Fcuk and IP will no longer be recognised. It may not be as symbolic as a factory with life limiting jobs relocating to the US but will hurt more.

And you are not going to get all those unskilled workers making cars overnight for next to nothing with no ability to bring in skilled workers

@Barney
Once again you prove your ignorance. Less EU cars being purchased in the US means more US cars purchased. Volume increases lowering prices, or allowing for increased domestic production. Long term this is great for the US, and regular Americans dont GAF about automaker costs overseas. Americans are fine paying more if it means more money in the local economy, they wont even blink.

The trade inbalance is 155 Billion Euro in favor for the EU for hard goods. Its still a 55 billion inbalance when considering IP and services. So the EU has fvcked the US for about 30 years. Time to pay up one way or another. Want to see what happens when IP is not protected? Watch every computer running Windows, Apple, Google or anything else get shut off. Then what? Watch how quickly all the military equipment purchased becomes nothing more than Europes largest paperweights.

Like what? I remember Frogs trying once but running back with tails between their legs after the US threatened high tariffs on France's alcoholic produce.
And what are the EU's strong positions?

Maybe a baseball bat will be more effective?

...but the US owes us! We let the US to participate in WW2! The war was good for the US economy so you should be grateful to Europe!!!

In their defense, we let these m-fers do it to us. It's like an abused woman who comes back to the bum over and over again...

Hey, Milo, I am still waiting...

If an American car was made in the EU, would it retail for the same amount is the one made in the US?

Also, why do you dislike the US tariff on Euro cars?

It doesn't affect you - only us, Americans - so what's the problem?

Anybody else wants to answer these questions? Don't be shy...

Again you make statements but fail to explain how you came to that conclusion. You do this repeatedly and never learn from your mistakes.

Instead of arguing with something I didnt say try to focus on what I did say. I said that the average tariff differential between the EU and the USA was less than 0.5% which is a very long way from the lie that Europe is ripping off the USA.

If you want to be taken seriously please focus on the facts and dont follow the lies of the cult.

Equal tariffs or zero tariffs? What is so difficult to understand? It drives me crazy trying to understand the European definition of fairness. Contributing to Europe's defense is as follows: You not-so-smart Americans provide finances and military strength, and Europe provides minimal assistance, but gigantic lip-service
and a hefty dose of criticism. At the same time, what kind of protection NATO provides for the US?Parasitic relation is coming to an end justifiably, may I add

@Przelotnyptak1
Mate that whinge wouldn't make the first draught of Finnegan's wake.

You might as well use Pravda as your source, with the same results.

Blah, blah, blah.It is not possible that Atch and Barney belong to the same tribe.

Who cares about the "facts" provided by EU sources? You are the master in twisting the truth to your advantage, but the truth will slam you between the eyes
like a sledgehammer, to remind you, the parasitic relationship is over.

Hey, Euroholes, let's simplify this debate down to the level that you can finally get it. Now pay attention, morons...

We can impose any damn tariffs on anything we want. So take your "unfair" bs and stick it up your Euro butts.

Simple enough? I hope this will end the tariff conversation. Don't like it? Go to the ICC, UN, or Hell.

I really don't understand the level deliberate lies swallowed by members of the cult. If your country wants to put tariffs on anything go ahead and do it just stop lying about it. I don't know what is wrong with Americans, why do they believe any bollox.

Dow Jones Today: Stocks Turn Higher as Investors Brace for Trump Unveiling of Tariffs This Afternoon
...hahahahahaha...

We can and we will.

We also find your fake concern so amusing it's almost funny..."You, poor Americans, will suffer..." GFY.

Life is a zero-sum game. If we suffer, you gain...so cut that fake bs out...

Trans woman arrested for using women's restroom in what could be a first under a Florida law

He was arrested because he is a man, not a woman.

Memo to all:

If ypu feel you need to throw up but it's not happening, visit this website:

advocate.com/transgender

Your reaction may be different than mine so I can't guarantee the result.

What are we lying about?

This idiot is just another bomb thrower...no examples, no evidence,...nothing but an insult to drag you into their Euro swamp.

Ask for specifics and they will send you to Google..."Do your own search."...

@Przelotnyptak1
You are lying that the world is taking advantage of the usa, That is bollox.

Try this...

Europe benefits more from the US than the US benefits from Europe.

The reasons are irrelevant and a separate discussion.

Youre the one talking out of his ass.


I think you have it backwards.

Exactly. Apparently they are afraid to admit in on PF, who cares what they say anyhow.

Time will tell and its not on Europe's side:)

Not qualified to provide an opinion on this, but I can definitely provide an opinion from the Russian/Chinese side.

The EU does not play fair.

Russian or Ukrainian wheat, corn, soy, rapeseed, etc - harsh quotas. You sell a million tons - you can't sell anymore for the rest of the year. Go and sell it to Africans or Asians.

That's regarding quotas. They apply to nearly everything. Russian steel. Russian coal. Russian aluminum.

That's worse than a tariff - and is naked protectionism. You know we would kill your agriculture and your steelmaking in an instant with our cheap energy, cheap labor, and massive size.

The worst thing - however - is not even quotas. It's the ever evolving technical standards.

You started making cars in Russia, including the engines, and you're doing well - now you want to export to Europe. Your engines are compliant with Euro 4 emission standards, and with everything else. What does the EU do? It releases new guidelines - now for Euro 5 emission standards. Guess what - nobody can comply with these except for European manufacturers. By the time you catch up - they'll say Euro 6 is now the new requirement.

Then there's the ever evolving requirements on humans rights (was it made in Xinjiang using Uygur labor?) There are then carbon offsets - did you buy our stupid EU carbon credits to offset the impact of all the trees you cut down (these carbon credits erase our competitive advantage, and make it uneconomical to sell to Europe).

They couch everything in things you cannot really argue against without looking like an assh0le. Who is pro-slavery? Who is pro-ruining the atmosphere? Who is against reducing landfill waste, and against recycling? But the end result is that they don't let you into their market.

Tariffs are only a small part of the story.

In food you have European standards of Organic that far exceed the US requirement for "Certified Organic". This means - US organic food is too unhealthy to enter the European market. American chickens? They are not allowed into Europe because they are bathed in chlorine. US software - frowned upon because it doesn't protect user privacy.

The EU knows exactly what it's doing - and its protectionism.

That really needs to be defined.As it stands it is a meaningless statement.

So please explain.

How do you justify 50% European tariffs on American dairy over 50%, on Canada from 50% to over 200% on selected dairy products? India around 100% and over for alcohol Orient from 50 to 90% on rice with Japan at 700%?I can go on and on but you with your blinders on, will never see the truth.

Well, the reasonable, knowledgeable Bobko has returned.Welcome back Boby.:::)))

Naked protectionism is what trading blocks are for

True and why I have always had reservations about the post 2014 path Ukraine has followed. The people were sold a pup. Ukraine hasn't a hope in hell of getting into the EU.

But to come back to the point about the average tariff differential being tiny, anything imported into the EU must be compliant with the regulations and yes it is protectionism all blocks do it it's why trade negotiations take a long time. Services at the moment are lightly regulated everywhere. There is some stuff about % of streaming content being in local languages for example. Some light regulation has been rolled out around US tech giants which has riled the bros. Russia for example created a law requiring all tech companies operating in The Russian Federation to host their data in Russia which is not unreasonable. Obviously the US dominates in data and general services and also obviously they are over due regulating if for no other reason than to stimulate competition, though other reasons do exist. Likewise services like banking and associated fintech also need regulating to protect EU equivalents. The deal the US has with the EU is good and fair, Trump is lying about the US being ripped off.

Hey, Milo, I am still waiting for your answers...

If an American car was made in the EU, would it retail for the same amount as the one made in the US?

Also, why do you dislike the US tariff on Euro cars?

It doesn't affect you - only us, Americans - so what's the problem?

@Przelotnyptak1
I am not a free marketeer. That's the crap the US forced on other places because it favoured their economy. Crap that US voters would never accept, check out the rapacious deals imposed on Mexico, Argentina or Uruguay during their debt crisis caused by US policy directly or imported. Trump is using this tariff stuff for political reasons, it's red meat for his base and is why most sober Republicans hate him. He is not an ideologue.

We are very familiar with European non-tariff barriers in Russia.

Since we don't have America's economic weight - nobody cares about our complaints. So it's a pleasure to see somebody take Europe to task.

To continue listing non-tariff barriers against American products:

1) Non GMO - European standards on genetically modified products are so strict, that their market is essentially closed to US grain. Nearly all of American corn and wheat is genetically modified. By the way - this even applies to animal feed.

2) Hormone treated beef - same story

3) Apart from engine emission standards - the Europeans have their own unique crash test standards, unique lighting requirements, unique sensor requirements - when it comes to cars.

4) Geographic name protection - you can't sell American Feta cheese in Europe, or American Parmesan, or American Champagne - even if all these products are better in America than in Greece or Italy etc. It's basically a monopoly on making certain types of products.

5) Chemicals - you can't sell a lot of pharmaceutical or cosmetic products in Europe because the ingredients are considered toxic.

As you can see, all these standards are framed as promoting health, safety, and environmental quality. The irritating thing is that they also conveniently align with European industrial strengths, while making life quite difficult for outside exporters.

Now it's my turn...

Fvck you, Euros...We have a new sheriff in town. Eat shlt, parasites...