2016 Presidential Elections in the US

I keep reading different translations of what the Pope really said. They range from "Trump is not a Christian" to "Building a wall is unchristian". Big difference between the two. In any case, Trump jumped at the opportunity to win some more votes in the (historically) rather anti-catholic South Carolina.


Don't forget the superdelegates.


I would have expected that our resident preachers would at least defend the head of their religion. Well, seems I was wrong... ;)

I know, that is what got Obama elected as he actually lost the popular vote didn't he ?
Why isn't America allowed to have a president that the people vote for instead of what the "superdelegates" that are bought and paid for vote for.
I just hope that Bush and Kasich drop out after South Carolina tomorrow so we an see who there constituents will be voting for.
If Rubio doesn't take second in S.C. he may be done also unless Trump sues Cruz for not being an American born citizen.
Some citizen has taken Cruz to court in Chicago today to have a court decide if he is a U.S. born citizen.
All at the mercy of the American people.
msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawsuit-over-ted-cruz%e2%80%99s-eligibility-to-run-for-president-heads-to-court/ar-BBpGBHq?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U348DHP

Obama won the most delegates regardless of how you count them in the Democratic primaries.
Obama won the popular vote in 2008 by just under 10 million votes.
Obama won the popular vote in 2012 by just under 5 million votes.
Obama won in the electoral college vote 365-173 in 2008
Obama won in the electoral college vote 332-206 in 2012.

No matter how you look at it, Obama won both times cleanly.


Superdelegates aren't bought and paid for. They're either elected representatives from the Democrats, or they're from the Democratic National Committee. Either way, they've been voted for by the people.

Pope Francis was likely only saying what has been on nearly every thinking person's mind now for quite some time; he merely had both the nerve as well as the clout to say it!

Trump is a racist, not thinly disguised either, who talks out of both sides of his mouth and his bumhole, period:-)

The economic answer of course to the "Mexican dilemma" is simply to train these people who are "legally" in the US already to do jobs which will pay more than the minimum wage, thus eliminating the "unfair factor" among Caucasian Americans who typically (and justifiably) fear that they are being passed over for white-collar jobs by low-ballers from South of the Border.

Now, the "wetbacks" of yore will be the equally trained and educated friends and even suburban neighbors of native-born white Americans going out for a high-paying tech job or one in higher education. The former simply happen to be of Chicano rather than W.A.S.P background.

This time, no one can cry foul that the US is "discriminating" against Mexicans; they finally have an equal chance. This is not liberal pie-in-the sky thinking, it's simple economics.

Yeah, just imagine that.
You are such a brainwashed naïve liberal not to be able to think for yourself.
I got my own views on the Pope and how he was their 'Spiritual Leader'.
Now, I see that he has become a Political windbag, and as skewed as the Liberals.
What is it coming to ?
The Vatican has one of the "tightest" security systems in the World....and a huge (gasp) WALL.... completely encircling it.
There Are NO POOR People there.... no homeless... NO ONE EXCEPT WHO THE SWISS GUARD WILL ALLOW TO ENTER !
Yet he tells the Donald (the UNITED STATES..) that we CAN'T HAVE a wall.
He tells the United States to take their share of the Muslim immigrants and oh wait.....the Vatican took in TWO OF THEM !
Hypocrites one-and- all !
Or his preaching about Global Warming !
How 'bout they (the Vatican) bust open the underground vaults, pull-out the Art Treasures stolen by the NAZI's...the various Gold deposits they horde, SPREAD THAT around to the classically POOR (& Predominantly Catholic) Countries of South America.... PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH, IL PAPA ! but no.... words, just words out of both sides of his mouth.

And you have the gall to accuse Trump as being a racist and talking out of both sides of his mouth. (laughable to say the least)

At WHO'S expense to train, house, feed and give health care to these illegal invaders ?
How about we train and take care of our own first as they are LEGAL citizens of the United States with 48% of the people getting some kind of government aid. Let's cut some of this aid by training and putting our people back to WORK first.
This is why we call you liberal socialists uniformed low information voters.
Trump will straighten your warped brainwashing out real quick with wake up call after wake up call to reality.
Get ready for "CHANGE" in America like you couldn't ever imagine.
Give Trump eight years like the failure Obama had to destroy America and you will see America great again with Trump in charge.

Yes, undoubtedly the press were using him as a political pawn.
As I understand it he said " A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not a Christian. I'll only say this man is not Christian if he says this. We have to see if he said those things, and I give the benefit of the doubt".
My interpretation of that is that the Pope meant that building a wall is not a christian thing to do. Which in my opinion it isn't.
Looking at it purely from a christian standpoint, I agree with him, and I am not a religious person.

If Trump thinks that building a wall is the answer to stopping illegal immigration I don't think it will be quite as easy as he seems to think it will be:-

washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-on-the-us-mexico-border-building-a-wall-is-easy/2015/07/16/9a619668-2b0c-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html

First it was the Muslims, now it's the Mexicans. If he gets into power whose turn will it be after that? The Jews? Oh wait, someone else got there first and look how that turned out.


Yes he is Lyzko, and the thought of him making president is scary.

Actually... I'm not bothered by it. He says a lot of crap, but we know from Obama's failure to do many things (such as shutting Guantanamo Bay) that the American establishment is far stronger than one man. I rather suspect that should Trump get elected, he's simply utterly fail to do anything much beyond one or two token measures. He doesn't know politics and doesn't know how to get stuff done - so people simply won't work with him to achieve any aims.

I suspect we'll see him backing off from a lot of the racist stuff as soon as he wins the nomination.

Then why does the Vatican have huge walls surrounding it ? lol

No, first it was first the Mexicans and now it is Muslims.
You know, the people that believe Christians are infidels and that they should all be killed.
Yes, those Muslims.
The people don't want them in America and if I wasn't wanted, say in Poland, I sure the hell wouldn't go there to live unless I had a hidden agenda.

So building one of the most successful corporations in the world and employing thousands of workers around the world, deals with huge Corporations from just about every country in the world, and you can keep a straight face and say that he does not know politics or how to get things done.
Delph, your childish propaganda does amaze me.

If telling the truth is your definition of a racist (liberal defense word) then I guess that would make your definition true.
Can't wait for the election results for S.C. later tonight to see how much President Trump wins by.

At whose expense, JohnnyReb?? If not by dint of their own industry and diligence, then at the least the Federal Government should help a little!
Face it, my suggestion's practical:-)

The construction of that wall was completed in 852 at a time when people preferred to slaughter each other with swords and lances.

history.com/topics/vatican-city

Just like today as Christians are still being beheaded with swords.
Not to much has changed except for the fact of we already have one but you can't have one. lol
I think they will name it the Trump Wall.

They will name it "The place that almost bankrupted America", because maintaining such a border is a money pit which will cost us more than Afghanistan or the Gulf War on the long run. The commies in Europe tried that approach before, remember, and they failed miserably.

No no no no, Trump said Mexico will pay for it.
Did you see the latest.............
An individual attempted to place an obituary in a Nevada newspaper declaring Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton was dead, according to a Friday report in the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

I wonder how he'll make Mexico pay for a wall.

No wonder he's appealing to low education voters.

How will he make them pay? Invade? Increasing visa fees or entry fees at the border, as he proposed, won't cut it. There's a lot of populist hot air behind Trump's "promise" to secure the southern border. The big agro businesses, farmers and corporations like Del Monte will eat Trump alive should he try to cut off their "supply" of cheap illegal wage slaves.


Coming from a Sanders supporter... :)

Quote:
"The man was seen leaving the RJ parking lot in a maroon Toyota Prius bearing several Bernie Sanders campaign stickers. A security guard said he was also wearing a Sanders sticker on his shirt"

reviewjournal.com/politics/caucuses-2016/attempt-place-review-journal-obituary-hillary-clinton-prompts-report-secret

That's exactly why I said that Trump has no chance to succeed if he genuinely believes in his rhetoric.

I'm pretty sure however that Trump is merely playing the populist game and that many of these things will be quickly dropped if he somehow wins the Presidency.

He does, and the Pope thing falls into the same category.

Duh.............it was still hilarious.

They will be replaced by cutting off welfare to those able to work but sit home smoking dope playing video games on their computer all day sucking $25 an hour out of the public trough by being on welfare because it pays more then they are capable of earning flipping burgers and putting a pickle on them to afford their cell phone bills, cable t.v., tattoo's, free medical being on Medicaid, free foodstamps, cigarettes, beer, profession sport games, high speed internet access......you know, the "necessities" that working people can't afford or get free from welfare.
Trump will give this American welfare dead weight a choice to pick peppers or go hungry.
Reality check coming son.
Intelligent young guy like you though need'nt worry as you can always join the ROTC.
Just like Lyzko said about FDR New Deal, create jobs for people like they did in the 30's with the C.C.C. camps.
$5 an hour and low cost housing will be looking very attractive to them after not eating for about three days.
Coming from Australia and way before your time you probably haven't heard about that program.
Who you voting for ?

There seems to be some misunderstanding about the true danger of Trump's candidacy and possible win (horrors). Essentially, Trumps believes that every successful business person by definition pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps without help from others, JUST LIKE HE DID, right?LOL

What he and his kind fail to grasp is that megabucksters out there are the exception, and not the rule. Prior to Reagan, the mood in this counrty was slowly starting to shift, but it wasn't yet on steroids:-)

Comparing life to the pre-68 era might be charactarized as more balanced, despite the myriad pitfalls, e.g. lack of civil rights for all etc..
My theory is called "The Four Coffin nails theory": suburbia, the 60's counter culture devolution, EST (Erhard Seminar Training - I'm OK, you're f****d up!) and finally Reaganism.

Trump's motto's "Get Rich Quick or Starve on Your Own Time". As long as it's not on HIS time.

I was a supporter of Trump until the last couple of days when he said he would 'force Apple to give information about a suspect.' This is not what liberty should be about and I'm sure he lost 10% votes right there. (btw - obviously this Apple thing is just a marketing ploy done between Apple and the US gov and FBI has access to the phone by a back-door, but still Trump's rhetoric is a red flag for those who value personal freedom and the US Constitution).

Having said that, there is no better candidate for the US than Trump at the moment - Cruz (technically) would be a better choice, but there is NO WAY America would choose Cruz over Clinton (or Sanders). Not after 8 years of progressivism - it's just not going to happen. With Trump it would be at least a big step in the right direction and Cruz's chances would be very reasonable after 4 or 8 years. But not yet...

Obama (the community organizer) doesn't believe that either.....you didn't build them roads, you didn't build that bridge, you didn't build that house.........lol.

No, Trumps motto is get off your dead ass and get a job, live within your means, participation trophies are for wimps and pull your bootstraps up and quit whining about not having what the other guy has that you are not able to afford on what you make. Life is not fair.
Fair is where you go to eat cotton candy and step in monkey crap.
Anyone know who is leading in the vote ?

SUSPECT ! They were Muslim terrorists that killed Americans !

No they don't. Where did you hear that.
Apple said they would be happy to unlock the terrorists phone like they have 72 other phones for the F.B.I. that where owned by criminals.
Apples does refuse to give them the technology to the inscription codes to unlick all of them and that is why Apple is in Court with the Government.
Don't you read the news ?

Progressively destroying the country you mean.
Yes, Cruz would tear Hillary apart and Crazy Bernie has a slim to none chance and slim just left.
Looks like Trump has South Carolina and Nevada.
Hillary is looking old and needs rest before she has the big one.

Thank you, but if you've seen the conversation with Atch about music you might have noticed that I remember when hard rock music was replaced by disco crap in the mid 1970's... ;)


Yes, that's what I meant.

Again, this Apple thing is just a marketing ploy to achieve two things:

1 - make naive people believe the facts about NSA (revealed by Snowden) are false.
2 - give a (false) sense of privacy to increase sales of Apple (and other corporations) spyware technology products.

US gov and Wall-street corporations (that own the 'news' talking points you refereed to) are like one family - their acts are fully coordinated as needed to evoke a specific reaction of the sheeple.

As I mentioned, Trump would change the direction the country is going. Not ideal by any means, but at least 'something else' that hasn't been tried in this country for too many decades.

WoW, how old are you ? Who are you voting for ?


Ah, I didn't look at it that way.
Thank you for pointing that out to me as it makes TOTAL sense.

I did like the Trumps tweet that "would obama had gone to justice Scalias funeral if it was held in a mosque?
My answer "yes"
Mooselimbs on da run*

I would like to think so, but I doubt it.
It's what appears to have made him so popular in the first place with

If it actually gets built! If you haven't already, read my link on Trump's ' easily built wall '.

Well, well, well. The bookies aren't so keen on Trump as they were yesterday.

Ladbrokes have him at 10/11 to win the nomination, but Rubio is now only 5/4. Cruz is now 16/1 - he couldn't win South Carolina, and that's traditionally a Southern state.

Like I said after Iowa, Rubio is the man.

I could answer you with the Brit Bullies pat answer of, "You don't live here, never have lived here or never will live here". lol
No Pam what has made him popular is that the American people are so sick and tired of having to choose the least of two evil's knowing it makes no difference who you vote for that nothing will change within the Washington mafia.
Trump came along paying for his campaign out of his own pocket without lobbyist's million dollar donations for favor's, America has had a belly full of Political Correctness, Trump doesn't care who he poke's in the eye and he is saying what the people are feeling.
That is why he is so popular.
In fact many Americans have refused to vote ever since Reagan and when I say many I mean millions.
The turn out in the general election will break all records is my guess because we sure don't want Hillary (another Obama) and Crazy Bernie, who is worse than Hillary, wants to give away what is left of America (100% Socialist).
I agree with you delph.
I am personally still hoping Rubio will come on strong in the super Tuesday elections.

Live on your means, JohnnyReb???? When did spoiled rich-kid Trumpo ever live on his, huh? All Sanders, Clinton and their supporters are insisting on is that wealth not necessarily be rubbed in our faces like so much manure, that's all it is!!! Before Reagan, as the "inequality" between rich and poor was far less, i.e. more standardized, more even, there wasn't the need as there is today to ask the ridiculous question "Soooo, what aren't YOU a millionaire????"

I once posted a while ago that my wife who is fourty-seven, was born to middle-income parents in the SAME hospital as Irving Berlin's granddaughter, a man worth billions by today's dollars and who enriched American culture beyond measure.

In the end, why ought it be any different today? The answer is: unbridled greed, merrily aided and abetted by the Reagan Revolution which for all intents and purposes helped destroy all that Roosevelt tried to establish.

Trump's not as interested in creating value, but rather in destroying value, to my mind.