2016 Presidential Elections in the US

Johnny, please do me a favor and read the definitions for socialism, communism and social democracy. The political system in most west European countries could be described as a social democracy.

Exactly !
It would be like me going to my local bank and saying to them that I want to make a withdrawal and they tell me, "well sir, you have put nothing into your account, how/why do you think you can take some out ?"
SOCIALISM, it works great ..............UNTIL the other guys money runs out.

This will only convince more people to vote for Trump

Correct Wulkan plus a very large number of the GOP refused to vote in the last two elections because there was nothing to vote for.
Now that they see some hope to Make America Great Again the turnouts are at an all time high.
So far today on the news.......
"Donald Trump holds a big lead over GOP presidential rival Marco Rubio in the senator's home state of Florida while the businessman ties John Kasich in the governor's home state of Ohio, according to a new poll."
Time for Kasich and Rubio to drop out.
He is going to steam roll Hillary.

I don't see any rioting going on right now during Hillary's visit to Chicago..

No one rioted when Rahm raised property taxes in Chicago by 17% for properties worth over $250k ($250k doesn't get you very much in Chicago btw) but lowered it for people's homes worth under $250k..

I still don't understand how is this woman not facing charges, let alone the front runner for the Dems?

What about the people who lost their job and now can't find a new one because they are too old? Bad luck?

If they paid into the system throughout their lives, that's different... people living off welfare, section 8, and SNAP for generations - yup too bad - don't like it? get a job

If you can't get a job within a year, you're not trying. How come so many Hispanics tend to be so hard working and find jobs without issues despite frequently not knowing the language yet English speaking section 8 citizens claim to have such trouble finding employment. I am so sick of people sitting at home smoking weed and eating cheetos all day long living on welfare, food stamps, section 8, free utilities, etc. Now they even get cell phones from the government! I see this garbage all the time because my father is a contractor and frequently gets city jobs to fix up section 8 housing, which is lucrative because these animals have no respect for the place they live in.

Some things we see all the time include: damaging a sink, toilet, doorknob, etc. to avoid paying their $50-$100 share of the rent (the remaining $1,000+ is covered by taxpayers), selling the brand new stainless steel appliances claiming that they 'stopped working' and were put in the alley so the garbage man can take them away, selling or using drugs - we've been to several section 8 houses where there were crack pipes and syringes galore. In one instance, we found a bunch of weed - literally there was like a thousand tiny baggies filled with small amount of marijuana hidden in a drop ceiling (the resident went to jail due to shooting a rival gang member). I do like seeing my taxes going for garbage like this. So no, these types of people ought to be excluded from the system.

If you're not paying into it, or at least have not paid a substantial amount prior to retirement - you do not deserve to benefit from social programs. Section 8 and welfare should be for people who have worked and fallen on hard times - not for generation after generation to live off of it.

ad section 8 - Federal government shouldn't even get involved into those programs, there is too much federal involvement as it is, they go everywhere with their greasy paws. Don't even let me start about Patriot Act.
BLM - sure but BMDM lol!

The people who use benefits generation after generation are locked into poverty life cycles. Its for the most part ingrained into them from the environments which they are exposed as children. You cant blame individuals living like that in a system which basically mainly serves the lucky. You're not addressing the root cause, merely the symptoms.

OK so they don't get state handouts (as you would like)? then what? left to fight it out on the streets? Huge areas of America turned into wastelands for the strongest survive?


Because manual labour for them and earning real money is a luxury. It basically comes down to a matter of perspectives.

Mate...if someone has bad parents or bad guardians that don't teach them good work ethics that's what happens. That's what has to be corrected, that's the root cause. Mate, I don't want to be harsh but almost everything you state is full of s*t.

Welfare needs to be replaced with workfare, this will be a transition, people that want to work and change their life will get a second chance rather then not using their potential.

It was the American love of cheap labor, subsidies and the like that attracted many Hispanics, Asians and others to this country in the first place! Root cause?? There you have it.

Lucky Mike's ass........motivated is the word Mate.
When the Migrants from Europe came to the U.S.A. they couldn't even speak English.
There was no welfare either and no Mom And Dad's basement to sleep in.
There were very few jobs so they did anything that was available (dug ditches to plant potato's) or they starved to death.
Lucky huh..............Oh JA JA !
You are all wet Yose and so stuck on your if daddy lived in a cave then his son will live in a cave B.S.(ingrained from the environment) crap.
Many of them became millionaires and it wasn't luck that did it Mate.....it was hard fukcing work that did it.
I know plenty of people like myself and Adrian born and grew up in very poor families and have become very successful by WORKING our asses off and living within our budget to do it. No luck there MATE !
These section 8's (welfare fukcs) for example can't live without cable t.v. $100 a month, I - phone $100 a month, high speed internet $100 a month, bag of weed every week $100 or $400 a month, and all other kinds of UNNECESSSARY STUFF yet they can't afford to pay their rent or buy food without the governments help.
Hell I would be on welfare if I made those bad choices and no, to this day I do not have cable t.v., an I-phone, smoke dope, or have air conditioning. Not that I couldn't afford it but so unnecessary.
Kiss my ass LUCK....NO ! More like bad choices because of flat out laziness !
I know plenty of people who became very successful by hard work and they didn't sit around playing the blame game on "Ingrained environment" or self pity parties.
Like the hero that I am named after, John Wayne said, "Life is hard enough and when you are stupid it is even harder".
Yose, ya ever heard the one, "You get out of life what you put into it."
You would be surprised how someone not eating for three or four days how they suddenly become willing to take ANY JOB for some food.
But why should they when they have the Liberal Socialists like yourself setting a bowl of milk out for them every night for FREE like you would for a stray cat in essence building the road to hell on good intentions yet in reality all you are doing is ENABLING them to continue to be slaves to the government welfare programs.

People like you drive me right up the wall with your engrained stupidity.

Precisely, environmental conditioning....its everything. But very hard to change, especially under capitalism.

Was Kennedy a socialist: "I think that we could agree on what kind of a world we would all want to build. it would be a world of independent nations, moving toward international community, each of which protected and respected the basic human freedoms. It would be a world which demanded of each government that it accept its responsibility to insure social justice. It would be a world of constantly accelerating economic progress - not material welfare as an end in itself, but as a means to liberate the capacity of every human being to pursue his talents and to pursue his hopes. It would, in short, be a world that we would be proud to have built."

This is the kind of thing I'm into.

Szalawa, you're wrong about me. If you paid more attention to the content of my posts, and viewed them with an open mind you would see what I'm trying to advocate.

Johnny I've just flicked over your post ( i generally ignore your old fart ramblings), its very inconsistent and mostly anecdotal evidence. Easily refuted piece by piece, i don't have the time for that level of ignorance I'm afraid.

Yosemite - I do agree that environment DOES play a large role in who you become. However, it's not the ultimate determination. If that was true, you wouldn't have young black males who grew up in the projects that end up becoming doctors, lawyers, cops, politicians, etc. It's a choice - you can either chose to follow in your parents' and environments' footsteps and chose to live in section 8, join a gang, have children without raising them, and so on. Or, you can chose to do something with your life like go to school and get a job. There are plenty of opportunities and programs that help children who WANT to get out of their situation. When I was in high school I belonged to a group called CTA - Community Tutoring Alliance. Although, yes I joined at first because I thought it would look good on my college apps, but I stayed in it for a long time and would tutor free of charge 2x a week where as most the members would go 1x-2x a month which was the minimum. Anyway, we tutored at an inner city Chicago public school that was like 99% low income black students. Out of say the 15 students I'd be assigned to tutor, 13 would goof off, make fun of me saying I looked like a wolf, that I was ugly, or whatever. These kids were 3rd and 4th graders yet they didn't even grasp simple addition. I didn't care though because these kids made the choice to screw around and not learn. Therefore, I devoted my time to the 1-2 kids that actually wanted to learn something. It's easy to blame poverty, crime, lack of parenting, etc. but ultimately it comes down to a personal choice - do you want to be in a gang banger or drug dealer and live in the hood on section 8 or do you want to pay attention in school, take advantage of the thousands of programs for disadvantaged youths and get a scholarship to go to college.

That's one thing that really really upsets me about my generation... I mean literally the people born in the 80's are now colloquially known as 'generation whine'

So many of my own friends and colleagues complain that they're up to their neck in student loans, can't get a job, are 'forced' to live at home with their parents, can't pay off their credit card, and then on top of it in their spare time all they do is watch tv, go to bars, chase tail, smoke pot and drink beer. I try to point this out to them and offer advice on how to get themselves in a better financial situation but even though they'll listen and talk about changes, they'll never actually take steps to do it. I stopped because I didn't want to strain the friendships further. Like dude, pick up a finance book instead of watching MTV when you're home from work.. Yet they have the nerve to call me 'lucky' that I have a better job than them. I've never gotten a job because my family 'knew the right people' and I had to pay my own way through college. I didn't have the pleasure of sitting around and drinking every night - I had to wait tables and deliver pizzas. Even to this day I drive a $3,000 car (1999 Mercedes E320 - looks perfect and very classy so you'd never guess it's a $3,000 car) because after purchasing one brand car in my life (a Jeep Cherokee) for like $36k and selling it 7 years or so later for $8k I realized how dumb it was to buy a brand new car. It comes with making small choices like that but unfortunately most of society lives beyond their means and thinks that they're owed something. My generation is the worst with this and I feel ashamed to be in my 20s.

I agree that environment plays a huge role in the development of people. It's no secret that affluent neighborhoods have the best school districts because tax income is high and the communities have more than enough funding. If you are born in a housing project in East Oakland, CA, for example, then things look different. Run down neighborhoods with lots of poverty and crime, schools are lousy and mostly gang and drug infested, and many of the parents don't really care. By the time they're old enough to recognize this, the kids are oftentimes lost already. Yes, there are exceptions to this rule, but even the few who make it out of these neighborhoods have a tough road ahead. Wrong address? Wrong first name? Black? Good luck finding a well paying job that can sustain a family. Forget 'equal opportunity employment' - that's only on paper and for the PC crowd. 'Welfare f*uck', as Johnny likes to call it, gets a whole new meaning then.


I would feel very, very happy if I would still be in my 20's... ;)

Or you simply can't produce valid arguments.

Hilary Clinton voters

youtube.com/watch?v=NXamMqHe5Bw

Merged: Trump for president

I believe that Trump would be a big supporter for Poland and the Polish People.

True but in retrospect the poor school districts receive three times the funding than the communities with high tax income which breaks down per pupil. The low income school districts have twice as much money to spend on each student then high income tax communities yet the high income tax community students have twice the graduation rate plus those students score twice as high on the SAT tests.
Yet when the high income school plays the low income school in sports guess who always wins the tournaments.
(Unless the sport is skiing, sailing, golf or bowling)
PRIORITIES and like Adrian says, (and I have repeatedly said here) "Good choices, Good things happen, Bad choices, Bad things happen."
What needs to be taught in these schools is individualism and how to lose the peer pressures.

I hear that all the time Adrian. I say NO I am not lucky, I am blessed because of making good choices.
That is why the European's are so jealous of Americans success.
Europe thinks a 32 work week is sufficient and the losers in America do to.
The "Lucky" people that I know work 60-70 hours a week such as I use to. (That was my choice)
Now in retirement I have my financial freedom, am physically fit from hard work, and can do or have any damn thing I want.
My friends that thought the world owed them a living and thought a 40 hour work week was going to pay for vacations ever year, new cars, a $300k house, a boat, golf club membership........in short (bad choices) which ran them into debt so far that they are now slaves to the system for the rest of their lives.
These are the ones that say to me, "aren't you lucky" and they STILL 'don't want to' get it.
I just want to say to them, "hey dummy, your way (choice) doesn't seem to be working so well for you so why don't you try it my way ?"
Their reply, "because you are a conservative capitalist." :-o
My reply, "then go vote for Hillary or Bernie," they will feed you and keep you slaves to the system.

You are very good at refuting Yose.
I will admit that you have enlightened me in several of our debates.

LOL, no kidding, when you say 'work' to them they think you are referring to Mexicans.

Oh, I agree with that 100%. Unfortunately, growing up in certain neighborhoods does not leave you with too many choices. Good ones, that is.


That sounds good, but is probably not realistic. The peer pressure is in the streets, not so much in the schools. I for one believe that education has to start with the parents. If they would really care about their children instead of bemoaning the constant gang violence around them only after their kid was killed, that would change a lot already.


Provided this number is correct (do you have a source?): you can throw as much money as you want at these (mostly) inner city school districts. Nothing will change as long as the gang culture is tolerated by parents and cops alike.

Maybe the next president will do something about this decades old problem. Doubt it, though.

No, as our government thrives on this.
Just think what it creates. MONEY !
Job security for police, court system, welfare systems, prisons, hospitals, drugs trade, easy to implement new laws by the boat full, reason to take away our guns..........
In short it gives them more control over the people.
Keeps them poor slaves to the government being on welfare, in fear while "they" stay in control.
It is intentional what "they" have always done.

So what would Trump do, should he be elected? Do you believe him when he claims that "... a lot of 'gang members' in America, particularly in Chicago, Baltimore and Ferguson, are illegal immigrants and, if he becomes president, they're going to be gone." ? How would that be possible without sending the National Guard?

nbcchicago.com/news/politics/Theyre-Going-to-be-Gone-Donald-Trump-Says-Many-Chicago-Gang-Members-are-Illegal-Immigrants-322518772.html

Chicago is a war zone with twenty to thirty shootings per week end.
I don't know how that is possible with guns being outlawed in Chicago. lol
(When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.)
And yet the town I live in many carry guns openly and no shootings occur.
Yes, start shooting looters, anyone that shoots at the police, anyone using a gun to commit a felony.
Shoot and kill them.
That would get the gang bangers attention now wouldn't it.
They have to learn when a police officer tells them to get out of their car that it isn't a request.
Prison to those idiots is like a second home to them with three free meals a day, their laundry done for them and free cable t.v.
No big deal to them because they have nothing else constructive to do.
Hopefully Trump will just start shooting them dead and save society a ton of money and grief.
Wouldn't take long before the mess would be cleaned up.
As it is now their Mama's yell at the police, "Wha cha shoot me son fo robbin' dat bank fo !"

If you look at the murder rates per state or the list of cities with the highest homicide rate, you will see that there are an awful lot of southern states/cities in the top 30 as well.

neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-rate-cities/
worldatlas.com/articles/murder-capital-of-the-us-states-with-the-most-murders.html
factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-laws-deaths-and-crimes/

The problem is much bigger than it looks and has not much to do with the gun control debate IMO. I doubt that Trump or any other candidate would be able to clean up that mess without major bloodshed and the use of the National Guard.

Obviously there will always be exceptions to the rules, but the overwhelming evidence proves that if youre born poor you will likely die poor and if you're born into wealth you will die wealthy. Does it always happen? of course not, were going with the statistics here.

People associate black people with crime, thats because black people especially in America are subject to poverty as a direct realist of their skin colour.

Thats the quick answer.

I say again: "if you're the son of a head hunter born in the Amazon hundreds of years ago, it would be the most normal thing in the world for you to go around villages chopping off people heads, you would have no concept of right or wrong".

The same environmental conditioning rules apply in modern day society.

Was Kennedy a socialist:

"The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use - of how to get men of power to live for the public rather than off the public."

This one is fcuking awesome, i never knew he said this till now:

"Gross National Product counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage. It counts special locks for our doors and the jails for the people who break them. It counts the destruction of the redwood and the loss of our natural wonder in chaotic sprawl. It counts napalm and counts nuclear warheads and armored cars for the police to fight the riots in our cities. It counts Whitman's rifle and Speck's knife, and the television programs which glorify violence in order to sell toys to our children. Yet the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country, it measures everything in short, except that which makes life worthwhile. And it can tell us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans."

Kennedy would be branded as a communist, socialist, liberal left retard etc etc in todays America because he stood for the interests of the people which is basically what socialism fundamentally means.

Kennedy was assassinated IMO because he saw things not many others had seen and he was powerful, he had the people behind him too, he was feared.

Because they do nothing to get their black asses out of the poverty appart from complaining about some imaginary white men privilege.

It is harder if you're black.

I'd say it's the other way round, in many places people won't reject you because of fear of being accused of racism even if you're underqualified.

Have you ever been to America Wulkan and witnessed the segregation first hand? Birmingham is a far cry from the real racist civilisations.


Ironically its not as black and white as that, there are many variables. If its a low paid public sector position yeah maybe, anything more associated with private sector and profit they'll give the job to who's the best and due to environmental conditioning its usually the white man.

What are you saying exactly, that black people are inherently lazy? please expand.