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2016 Presidential Elections in the US



johnny reb
15 Jan 2016  #91

I believe you are just trying to stir some sh*it here, Johnny.

Not really, It would be much easier to respond to Lyzko if he would tell us what country he was born in so we understood why he views things the way he does. It would explain a lot and I could respond accordingly to the kid.
Now that I know that you live in CA it makes sense that you are a staunch lefty coming from a Socialist welfare State that is depleting the public trough (welfare system) and is further in debt then any other State in our Nation.
Now it is not a mystery why you have such warped views.

johnny reb
15 Jan 2016  #92

Having published a paper part of which covered the New Deal, I'm not entirely clueless, but never mind, there's no point telling you you're wrong.

SO what you are saying is, just because you published part of a paper somewhere on the New Deal makes you right and me wrong ?
Hardly makes you an authority over something I have been introduced to ever since the 7th grade of high school as an American which effects my daily life so there is no point in me telling you anything about it.
I am all for what the New Deal ORIGINALLY was made for which is NOT what it has been turned into today, which you promote.

Roger5
15 Jan 2016  #93

I never claimed to an expert. You stated that I was clueless without evidence. I challenged that. There's no point continuing this. Goodbye.

TheOther
15 Jan 2016  #94

Now that I know that you live in CA it makes sense that you are a staunch lefty coming from a Socialist welfare State

Glad I could help you file me under a certain category. You Americans certainly have some funny ideas about the meaning of the word "socialism". .. :)

Lyzko
15 Jan 2016  #95

TheOther, Johnny's typical of the poor education sadly representative of this Reaganist, post-New Deal society in which we live. Essentially, along with the death of civility, came the cancelation of schooling in this (once) great nation, which Roosevelt enriched and Saint Ronald, the Patron Saint of Homelessness, sought to terminally impoverish, by robbing her of her dignity, her purpose, but worst of all, her citizens.

In the end, with the onset of stagflation at the end of the '70's, it was the American PEOPLE who became devalued, not just the dollar!!

@JohnnyReb, I'm an American of German extraction, born and raised in New York. Satisfied?? Like to see a blood sample or driver's license??
lol

johnny reb
15 Jan 2016  #96

Socialism is a failure, look what it has done to Europe.
Trump will swing things back the other way and teach our children what built our great country with
that being CAPITALISM which Trump is an expert on.
You don't see him offering free cell phones in return for a vote or another free welfare program do you.

Lyzko
15 Jan 2016  #97

Incorrect, sir! Roger5's right. The New Deal was a marvelous fluke which admittedly was never to supposed to happen. Republican ideology is typically American in its short-term, quick-turn around myopia.
If honest, law-abiding hard-working US citizens are deprived of a roof over their heads and the happiness they seek to pursue, then you no longer have America, you have a Faschist state in reverse, where chaos, not order, reigns supreme.

That can't be what you want, or my friend, you and the other gun nuts out there might well have to sleep with a gun under your pillows; with more and more disenchanted and dislocated through no fault of their own, taking matters into their own hands, yer gonna need one, buddy!!!

Sleep easy:-)

johnny reb
16 Jan 2016  #98

you and the other gun nuts out there might well have to sleep with a gun under your pillows

What ?????
What the hell are you trying to say ?

Back on topic please......
I would vote for Marco Rubio before I would Trump.

Yosemite
16 Jan 2016  #99

Socialism is a failure, look what it has done to Europe.

Yeah just look at Germany, leading the world on so many fronts.

ohh and the Nordic social model countries of Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway and Iceland.

Roger5
16 Jan 2016  #100

Socialism is a failure, look what it has done to Europe.

Well, why don't you do just that: come and look? You'll see most people living peaceful lives in relative prosperity, with community involvement and good public services. But, hey, don't listen to me; come and see for yourself instead of relying on Fox news to tell you what a hellhole Europe has become.

johnny reb
16 Jan 2016  #101

and the Nordic social model countries of Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway and Iceland.

If they are so great then why aren't you living there ???????
Their social system is on the verge of collapse according to some especially their healthcare system.
Well, why don't you do just that: come and look?

I am planning on it in the near future. I have many responsibilities that I just can't walk away from for two or three months without some planning.
Why don't you come and visit America where you actually think everyone walks around with a gun strapped on their asz.
You would be shocked at the choices we have here for example where you can walk in a grocery store to buy ice cream and have 150 flavors to choose from instead of just vanilla and chocolate.
Better do it before Trump closes our borders to the high risk undesirables though.
You'll see most people living peaceful lives

'Most' is the key word. Most people in America live peaceful lives also
I keep posting, "Keep Poland Polish" and this is what I mean.
Poland needs no outside influence or immigration to destroy their peaceful culture.
NOW CAN WE GET BACK ON FUKCING TOPIC FOR THE SIXTH TIME WHICH IS DONALD TRUMP !

Lyzko
16 Jan 2016  #102

What I'm saying, Johnny, is that evidently you and your sort don't understand sufficiently cause and effect! If far too many Americans become more and more dissatisfied with their lot, their ability to get a job without being consistently and almost methodically undercut by low-level cheap-wage immigrants, even local US-born students, subsidized seniors etc.. sooner rather than later, pal, we're going to experience a backlash that'll make the Holocaust and 9/11 look like a field day picnic!!!

There's just so much ordinary, relatively stable people can take before they're driven over the edge to the point of no return.
Between around 1947 and 1958, only about TWO (2) major incidents of average Joes going off their nut and rampaging were reported; one in New Jersey where a man with a rifle shot randomly about ten or so people, and in New York where the Mad Bomber George Metetzky wrought havoc for several weeks. These two incidents occured during the New Deal.

Fast forward from after 1966 up through 2015 and essentially the post-New Deal Era. You have more shootings and the like occuring commited by merely disenfranchised people than I can count!! See the correlation?

If people are repeatedly having the rug of security being merrily pulled out from under them, you're going to to stuff like the above happening with ever greater frequency!!

Once, people in this country did what they HAD TO do, not simply what they wanted to do.

Lyzko
16 Jan 2016  #103

Typo in last para. "....you're going to see stuff like the above....."

:-)

Yosemite
16 Jan 2016  #104

If they are so great then why aren't you living there ???????

Yeah so ill just up and move, take my daughter out of school, leave my family and friends, forget about my company and people who work for me. Ive already lived overseas, Poland for 6 years, came back in 2011. Thats a ridiculous thing to say.

If i move somewhere in the future i'd still like it to be Canada anyway although Norway seems like an awesome place to crash.

Anybody seen Trumpkin's latest campaign song?

johnny reb
16 Jan 2016  #105

NOW CAN WE GET BACK ON FUKCING TOPIC FOR THE SIXTH TIME WHICH IS DONALD TRUMP !

Apparently not as that seems to fall on deaf ears.

Between around 1947 and 1958, only about TWO (2) major incidents of average Joes going off their nut and rampaging were reported;

That is because WW2 had just ended and people had seen enough death and were just trying to get on their feet.
The people doing these mass shootings are far from "average joes", they are mentally ill and belong in the mental institutions that we had in this country between 1947 and 1958 but closed after that point in time because the liberals claimed as being 'inhumane'.
If people are repeatedly having the rug of security being merrily pulled out from under them, you're going to to stuff like the above happening with ever greater frequency!!

You watched the Ron Paul video where he predicts the ski will fall didn't you ?
What I'm saying, Johnny, is that evidently you and your sort don't understand sufficiently cause and effect

Me and my sort ?
No, you and your sort will go down in the first wave.
Me and my sort have prepped for the crash of the dollar.
People in hugely populated places like New York City will panic when there is no food in the big box stores, people where I come from will go out in the back yard and shoot what they need whether it be a deer, rabbit or cow.
We have flowing artesian wells of fresh water that flow 24/7/365 while your water comes from a pipe.
Your sort lives in residential, my sort lives in neighborhoods.
You bet that I am very aware what is coming and it is going to get very nasty.
I will survive it, will you ?
Now back to the paid programming of Donald Trump who will give America a fighting chance to make America great again.
Before you reply again in this thread remember TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP must be the topic, otherwise take it to Off Topic please.

Lyzko
17 Jan 2016  #106

Trump reviles Mexicans et al. while gleefully touting cheap labor, always America's first (and perhaps ONLY) true love affair! No, Johnny, what I'm saying is that since Reagan, govt. no longer recognizes its basic responsibilities as it once did, namely to protect and insure the happiness of ALL HER citizens, not merely the filthy rich:-)

johnny reb
17 Jan 2016  #107

Gotchya !
Republicans want the Mexicans for cheap labor and the Democrats want them for votes.
That is why the border has not been shut down YET !
Now we are on the same page.
Hillary has risen a tad in the polls last week.
She still has a very good chance of being indited and sent to prison.
Seems the F.B.I. is the only government agency that has any dignity anymore in the United States.
I personally like Rubio even if he is of Cuban decent. lol
Two more weeks and the primary voting starts and we will see if the people really want Trump or not.
If he goes down in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina it is over for him which could happen.
We can only hope that Sanders beats Hillary.
Sanders raised 3.2 million in campaign funds last week which shows he has a very strong following.

johnny reb
18 Jan 2016  #108

The Democratic debate last night told a lot.
Hillary plans on continuing in Obama's exact footsteps.
(God forbid !)
Trump is going to have a field day with her as the American people
want to make America great again which is Trumps agenda.
Looks like both parties are agreeing with $15 an hour minimum wage which
tells me the government is very close to devaluating the U.S.D.
I mean does somebody really deserve $15 an hour to put a pickle on a hamburger ?
Can you imagine what it is going to cost for a big mac to compensate for this.

Lyzko
18 Jan 2016  #109

Trump is therefore a hypocrite who wants Americans to be free from government intervention etc. so long as los imigrantes are the one's making the big money with little compensation for themselves for fat cats like Trump, the Koch Bros. etc...

Ironside
18 Jan 2016  #110

Trump will

Trump is not to be trusted and he has a slim chance to become a president and if he does then he will follow the line. Saying the right things is not identical with doing them.

delphiandomine
18 Jan 2016  #111

Trump is going to have a field day with her

He has to focus on winning the primaries first, not Clinton. If he makes the mistake of going after her, he'll lose sight of beating Cruz.

Lyzko
18 Jan 2016  #112

@Ironside, but the issue is that Trump is saying all the WRONG things!! He's anti-women, anti-Hispanic (except when it's to his own benefit), anti-Semitic, anti-abortion, in a word, anti-anyone who needs some sort of help or isn't empowered by affirmative arrogance to start their own business. And that's a lot of people:-)

jon357
19 Jan 2016  #113

It's as if he's a false flag secretly working for the Democrats. After all, his role so far is a gift to Hillary.

delphiandomine
19 Jan 2016  #114

I said that before. Trump is dividing the GOP, and if it goes down to a brutal campaign for the nomination with Trump abusing Cruz left/right/centre while Cruz attempts to take the moral high ground, it can only benefit the peaceful Democratic nomination process. Trump has forced the GOP to the hard right, and it's effectively a choice between bombastic Trump or the Evangelical Christian Cruz - both of whom are offputting to swing voters.

But I will call it fairly and say that Trump has fought (so far) an incredible campaign. If anyone is capable of winning the nomination and then apologising to everyone for his comments - and getting away with it - it's him. I can't stand him as a person, but I'm in awe of what he's done so far.

johnny reb
19 Jan 2016  #115

He's anti-women

Why does he have women CEO's working for him if that is the truth ? (You fabricate)
anti-Hispanic

Wrong again, he is offering all of them that he sends back to Mexico first on the immigration list to return properly by going through the right channels instead of a hole in the fence. (You lie)
anti-Semitic

He lives in New York which is Jewish and has many Jewish friends there. Who you trying to b.s. ? (You lie)
anti-abortion
another lie as he is pro abortion.
in a word, anti-anyone who needs some sort of help

He has gives more to charity in a year then most small countries do so you lie again.
YOU'RE FIRED !

Roger5
19 Jan 2016  #116

Lyzko, don't forget the empowerment a 'small loan' can give you!
Delph, the GOP will be forced to have a good hard look at themselves during Clinton's term. They've been hijacked for too long by the extremists of the (self-proclaimed) Christian Right, and it feels like some, at least, are beginning to call for a philosophical realignment in the party.
Trump has indeed made the campaign more interesting than usual. The first thing I turn to when I check out the news in the morning is to see if he's made any more highly entertaining stupid comments.
February is going to be fun.

johnny reb
19 Jan 2016  #117

After all, his role so far is a gift to Hillary.

I agree until he campaigns against her and that is when the gloves will come off.
He will expose her for what she is and that gift will go down the drain faster then Grant went through Richmond.
Your girl Hillary has a very good chance of being indited by the F.B.I. over her felononious e-mails deletions so she couldn't be held accountable and using her private e-mail server to sent classified materials, her felonious lying to a Congressional Hearing on Benghazi, her receiving money from foreign countries for personal favors which was deposited in the Clinton Foundation, her receiving $600,000 for a twenty minute speech in return for a favor to Goldman Sacks Bank, for.......well that is enough for a normal person to get 60 years behind bars.
Think Trump will bring any of that up when debating her ?
She brought up Obama's name thirteen times in the debate to agree with his policies.
We sure the hell don't want four more years of his failures and disgrace to America.

Lyzko
19 Jan 2016  #118

@Johnny,

Mayor Bloomberg gave out more "charity" in a week than most financiers can give in a single lifetime! Too bad he didn't pay his volunteer campaign staff or show some charity to the unemployed, i.e. Roosevelt-style New Deal public works programs:-)

Trump and his supporters have made their agenda crystal clear; rid the US at long last of all but the mega-empowered who can easily forage for themselves, are eternally self-sufficient (by what means, YOU figure it out!!!!!) and essentially, eat well, sleep soundly, fornicate abundantly and pleasure themselves through easily-won money as compared with an honest job.

He has proven himself on more than one occasion anti-intellectual and in the latter respect, closer to Nazism than many give him credit for.

After all friends, Hitler too decried intellectuals, despised academics, poets, thinkers and men/women of learning and achievement. He further mocked conscience and empathy on a regular basis. The only science The Fuehrer promoted was racial science or physics which would catapult Germany to world domination.

Does The Donald have similar intentions for a Trump/Cruz presidency and a future America??

johnny reb
20 Jan 2016  #119

President Trump will make America great again.
If he offends the Politically Correct doing it then.....oh well.
Things are swinging back the other way as people have had a belly full of this Politically Correct Crap that has been shoved down our throats.
President Trump will over ride Obama's unconstitutional executive orders, build the U.S military back up like never before, build a wall on the States southern border to keep out the illegals, raise taxes on the 1%, order mandatory drug testing on welfare reciprocates, put people back to work again by telling China to take a hike, bomb the hell out of anybody that wants to fukc with America.............
Oh I can't wait to have a leader again.
You Liberals that cry homophobe, racist, bla bla, the answer will be yup, you got that sh!t straight now lets move on.
Mayor Bloomberg gave out more "charity" in a week than most financiers can give in a single lifetime!

And WHOES money did he give away ? Any out of his own pocket like President Trump does ?
Sarah Bulldog Palin just endorsed President Trump today. There is another million votes for Trump.
If Trump takes Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, the primary is over.
The next two weeks will tell us who Bernie Sanders will be facing in November.

delphiandomine
20 Jan 2016  #120

If Trump takes Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, the primary is over.

He's behind in Iowa according to the more highly regarded polls. He'll walk New Hampshire without much effort, but I'd question whether or not South Carolina will go for him as much as the polls suggest.

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html is worth a look - he's consistently behind Clinton in the polls. With Sanders, he's got a chance - the polls I've seen suggest that it would be very close between the two.

If Trump takes the GOP nomination, then he's going to move heavily away from a lot of the stuff that he's saying now. Trump's not an idiot - he knows fine well that abusing Muslims wins the GOP nomination, but it won't win him the election.

And yes, Democrats in open primary states should absolutely go and vote for Trump. It'll make things fun, and Cruz is just another boring conservative who can't get stuff done.


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