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Paulina
7 Dec 2022  #1561

There is

In the minds of psychopaths.

Yes, the Germans who were ethnically cleansed from their lands by Poland

No, I don't mean chasing people out of some territory or deportations. I mean slaughtering women and children in the most savage ways imaginable, Rwanda-style.

jon357
7 Dec 2022  #1562

In the minds of psychopaths

And in the survival strategies of vulnerable groups.

people out of some territory or deportations

"Some" territory??

And mass deportation is precisely what ethnic cleansing means. Are you confusing it with something else?

slaughtering women and children

That happens in war. I'd like to say it used to happen, however r*SSia has shown is that it still can. Stepan Bandera however isn't guilty of that.

Novichok
7 Dec 2022  #1563

The US understands this, clearly you do not.

How many times do I have to remind you and others to fu*ck off me. I am not the subject of this or any other thread.

BTW, I understand the enemy of my enemy line very well and that is why I like those who hate NATO as my enemy number one since it will that sick org the US needs like I need three legs that one day will drag the US into a major sh*it and continues to drain our non-existing surplus money that could be devoted to our defense where it really matters - at the Southern border.

In that sense, my enemy is Western Europe and I wish you all the very worst. Or at least that you grow balls and the backbone, act like adults and tell the US that you no longer need a nanny and a babysitter and that you know how to go potty on your own.

Ziemowit
7 Dec 2022  #1564

one of those groups that Joker (who lives in America and never visits Poland) is pretending to warn about

You've forgotten about his fake trip to Kraków about two years ago.

Lenka
7 Dec 2022  #1565

That happens in war.

Ukraine wasn't at war with Poland.

Paulina
7 Dec 2022  #1566

@jon357, so you've come as low as defending ethnic cleansing. I don't think you realise how incredibly stupid and damaging is what you're doing right now.

That happens in war.

Ah, I see. Srebrenica massacre is no biggie then. After all - such stuff happens in war. Who cares, right?

And mass deportation is precisely what ethnic cleansing means. Are you confusing it with something else?

No, I know that forcing people out of where they live or deporting them is a type of ethnic cleansing too. That's a few levels better than raping, torturing, dismembering and murdering defenceless civillians, mainly women and children though. Do you understand?

And in the survival strategies of vulnerable groups.

Ukrainians weren't "a vulnerable group" there. They were a majority. Poles were a minority, so they were the vulnerable group, along with Jews, Russians, Czechs, Georgians, and any Ukrainians who were part of Polish families or opposed the UPA and sabotaged the massacres - they were being murdered too.

And anyway, anyone who views slaughtering women and children as a "survival strategy" is a SICK F*CK.

Novichok
7 Dec 2022  #1567

And anyway, anyone who views slaughtering women and children as a "survival strategy" is a SICK F*CK.

Nobody is "slaughtering" children except during abortions. The women and children that die in wars are what the Western warmongers cutely call "collateral damage".

Paulina
7 Dec 2022  #1568

@Novichok, we're not discussing accidental civillian war casualties now. We're discussing intentional ethnic cleansing of minorities.

jon357
7 Dec 2022  #1569

Ukraine wasn't at war with Poland

They certainly had been within the living memory of all involved. The siege of Lviv comes to mind as well as the repression which followed it.

ethnic cleansing

Often necessary, and was considered such in Poland when the Germans were ethnically cleansed after the war.

They very much were a vulnerable groups. Starved to death by the Soviets, exploited and deported by the Germans, and even their language was banned for official use and their schools closed by the Poles

Ukrainians have, among mainland European groups, been perhaps the most historically abused after Jewish people and Roma.

SICK F*CK.

Get over it. As you were told (twice), Bandera didn't take part in the massacre.

Paulina
7 Dec 2022  #1570

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@jon357, Germans were kicked out of Poland after World War II, not mass murdered. Your blind bias doesn't allow you to see the difference?

They very much were a vulnerable groups.

Not in relation to Poles, Jews, etc. in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia in 1943-45.

Get over it. As you were told (twice), Bandera didn't take part in the massacre.

I didn't write that Bandera took part in those massacres. And I am not going to get over the fact that you're defending slaughtering thousands of defenceless women and children. I will remember the sick crap you wrote today, jon357. And I have a very good memory. You're truly an idiot, btw. You probably think you're helping Ukrainians, but in reality you're doing them a disservice by "defending" them in such a inhumane way. You have a new enemy on this forum now, you stupid, sick f*ck.

Lenka
7 Dec 2022  #1571

They certainly had been within the living memory of all involved

But not at that time. It's as if Poles started murdering Germans long after WWII

Novichok
7 Dec 2022  #1572

We're discussing intentional ethnic cleansing of minorities.

No evidence, no "cleansing".

Did you know that Poland operates a gulag near Lublin where the opponents of PiS just poof disappear and are never seen again?

jon357
7 Dec 2022  #1573

you stupid, sick f*ck.

Says a lot about you that you (despite being told the times now( still think that Stepan Bandera was responsible for societies, and very telling that you attributed then to both "Ukraine" and "the Ukrainians".

Remember, when simple uneducated rural people are badly provoked, the response is often brutal.

And you still deliberately misunderstood everything you were told.

Killing women and children? The IRA and associated groups killed many women and children and killed them far more recently.

A key difference is that we don't keep harping on about it decades later

Get over yourself.

Lenka
7 Dec 2022  #1574

Stepan Bandera was responsible for societies

She said UPA.

The IRA and associated groups killed many women and children and killed them far more recently.

Over existing conflict with a country they thought was occupying part of their country. UPA was killing when there was no Poland to speak of. And correct me if I'm wrong but they weren't hunting them and slaughtering them?

jon357
7 Dec 2022  #1575

She said UPA

Yet she started melting down at the description of Stepan Bandera as a Ukrainian national hero, which he very much is

UPA was killing when there was no Poland

Which there had been less than a decade before and was less than a decade after.

The UPA's response was savage, however Volhynia is Ukraine and those were simple rural people who had nothing to lose whatsoever.

And it is in the past, as the IRA atrocities are also in the (far more recent) past,

Now Western Ukraine is part of the Ukrainian state and always will be.

Lenka
7 Dec 2022  #1576

simple rural people who had nothing to lose whatsoever.

People who hunted their neighbours hidden in wholes in the ground and killed them with extreme cruelty.

Now Western Ukraine is part of the Ukrainian state and always will be.

What that has to do with it? We are not claiming that it isn'tor shouldn't be.

jon357
7 Dec 2022  #1577

People who hunted their neighbours hidden

That's the nature of war and the dark side of humanity.

Like it or not, people are cruel. Simple and uneducated people are often the cruelest of all, especially when they're desperate and have nothing to lose.

I'd be interested in hearing the Ukrainian view on that period. I suspect it would differ from some of the views here.

High time to draw a line under the past, or remain trapped in resentment and bitterness.

Lenka
7 Dec 2022  #1578

That's the nature of war and the dark side of humanity.

But they weren't at war with Poland! Poles weren'ta threat to them.

I'd be interested in hearing the Ukrainian view on that period.

Unless they would have proof those people were actually attacking them their view wouldn't change much.

High time to draw a line under the past,

Hard to do when one side is celebrating a person the other side sees as a symbol of awful atrocities.

Novichok
7 Dec 2022  #1579

A fair comment.

A stupid comment because I didn't say I was angry about THAT. I am angry about my taxes being wasted on YOUR stupid war so that the top .1% here can get even fatter.

If the US ever collapses it will be from overspending or by getting dragged into a war it cannot win because a sh*ithole like Albania, Estonia, or Poland invoked A5 and the US had to get involved.

RussianAntiPutin
7 Dec 2022  #1580

NATO is basically the only thing preventing nuclear war right now.
China is trying to take over the world. Look at what they're doing, not many are noticing.
We're all going to die soon, the world is destroying itself.
The River Euphrates is drying. That means end times could be as soon as 2040. All of you repent before it's too late.
Seriously do you want to go to Hell? THE WORLD IS DYING, DON'T DIE WITH IT!!!

cms neuf
7 Dec 2022  #1581

But you are always bragging on your limousine on other threads, so a small contribution to global freedom shouldn't bother a wealthy man like you

pawian
7 Dec 2022  #1582

Poland invoked A5 and the US had to get involved.

How can an unimportant country like Poland drag the US into a war? Do you ever use reason or not???? :):):)

Joker
7 Dec 2022  #1583

I like this kid! Haha


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Joker
7 Dec 2022  #1584

I am angry about my taxes being wasted on YOUR stupid war so that the top .1% here can get eve

The House holds the purse strings. Less than a month away:) Let the EU pay for it.

Miloslaw
7 Dec 2022  #1585

but certainly take advantage of cheaper electricity

You have a very vivid and rather weird imagination.
Have you ever thought about writing children's fairy tales?
You have a talent for fairy tales, must be the fairy in you....

So, here I am, online at 8pm UK time.

Another lie from the fat Polish ape......

Now I will go elsewhere, only Joker knows where I go....But I may be back later to tease you again!

Lenka
7 Dec 2022  #1586

only Joker knows where I go....

Ok, sorry Milo but that part sounds so lame!
As if we were all trembling with anticipationto find out what you are up to.

pawian
7 Dec 2022  #1587

So, here I am, online at 8pm UK time.

You came deliberately to dissipate our doubts about your late appearances in the forum.

Look, Milo, don`t get me wrong that I am attacking you for saving energy or sth. It is a very reasonable thing to do now. We mustn`t allow RuSSists to prey on us with their resources.

That is why I don`t get it why you are so insecure about the whole affair.

Now I will go elsewhere, only Joker knows where I go

Yes, we can guess easily, to the toilet and Joker knows about it coz you are streaming to him live what you are doing there. Ha!

Milo, have nice crapping! Joker, have fun watching it! hahahaha
buhahahahaha

Guys, I only beg you - don`t describe your fun in detail to us later on. Ha!

Lenka
7 Dec 2022  #1588

Let the EU pay for it

And then we will have a prove how worthless American word is :)

Novichok
7 Dec 2022  #1589

Treaties can be entered and abrogated. Nothing to do with "word". That's chick talk.

jon357
7 Dec 2022  #1590

But they weren't at war with Poland! Poles weren'ta threat to them.

They obviously very much felt they were and that Poles were somehow a threat to them. The only other possibility is that they were inherently inhuman which no humans are.

Hard to do when

Yes, hard to do, however it happens the world over unfortunately,

Who did it though? Today, we've had "Ukraine" and "the Ukrainians". I'd say it was a relatively small group of individuals, all now long dead and acting for themselves.

Paulina got very worked up (and atrocities do get people worked up) however it's essential to move on, however challenging that may be.

I don't like it that France has streets named after Bobby Sands, however I can do no more about that than Poles can change the attitude of right wing people in Ukraine to the UPA-B.

And of course the massacres happened when Bandera himself was 1,000 km away, locked up in a concentration camp.


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