Random Chat 2

You are even stupider then they are.....

So why do you always come back at 10 pm and never during the day???? Doesn`t your wife allow you to use the PC before that hour????? hahaha

You mean Dumb and Dumber??? hahahaha

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Becuse, although I am now retired, I have better things to do during the day than arguing with leftard Polish apes!
I can do that in the evenings.....

Starting regularly at 10 pm. Very interesting........

You hit the nail on the head!
Welcome dumber!

Really?

I don't think even you can read too much into that.

Same here. His credit must be shot.


Haha

Good! How much do you pay for the net in that trailer park of yours??? Any discounts???


You may have a flat rate for the net but certainly take advantage of cheaper electricity.

With Green Energy UK's Tide tariff, power used between midnight and 7am is charged at a much lower rate. Users can also lower their bills further by avoiding using electricity between 4pm and 8pm on weekdays.


Exactly!!! Milo is a joker. hahahaha

Yes, yes... And even to erect Bandera monument on a Red Square...

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This is his retirement..... Isn't it nice to be successful instead of being confined to your house?

Very good, he is a national hero.

Of course we know you'd prefer Lenin statues as the orcs have erected...

And excellent that Ukraine are now striking targets deep in r*SSia.

@Novichok
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The US understands this, clearly you do not. Like France understood it when the US was fighting for its own freedom from England. I just thought I would break out an antiquated point to help you feel good about all of yours.

@Velund
It was great in the early 90's watching all the Stalin and Lenin statues get removed. They should have melted them all down instead of packing them away. But they can now be used as targets so there is that one positive note.

Bandera was no more than a C list mass murderer, unlike mass murder Superstar Stalin.... who's getting a new monument (private school, but still pretty sick)

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...and a genocidal maniac. I feel sorry for a nation that chooses such figure to be their national hero.


100 thousand Poles in Volhyn and Eastern Galicia would beg to differ.

Coz that is their history - their heroes either fought against Poles or RuSSians - both were occupiers to Ukrainians. If you ignore it today, it means you are a narrow minded nationalist.


How many thousands Ukrainians died at Polish hands over centuries??? They died only because they wanted to be free. And Polish elites were trying to force them into slavery or turn into Poles. Just like RuSSians are still trying to do now.

Stop being narrow minded nationalist and try to see the whole perspective.

If that

People forget that when the Wolyń massacres happened he was imprisoned in Sachsenhausen and had no contact with the UPA-B people who did it.

Their "heroes" slaughtered pregnant women and toddlers. You are free to consider them heroes, but I shall still consider them murderous sickf*cks.

Yes, they were. But Poles also have such controvercial heroic murderers who are honoured today by rightists and nationalists.


Yes, Poles also did it. Each nation has such acts in history.

It doesn't erase or justify what UPA did. And there's a difference between fighting against an uprising and an ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is much worse. I'm saying this as a member of a nation who fought for independence too. I have no problem with acknowledging all the wrongs that Poles did to Ukrainians, but it doesn't mean we can whitewash what UPA did and it doesn't mean it's OK for Ukrainians to idolise mass murderers.

We should all be able to condemn the black pages in our history. The fact that Ukrainians didn't mature up enough yet to do that, doesn't mean it's OK for them to not do so. At some point they should do that. It can't be swept under a carpet.


You're seriously going too far with this.

The massacres were probably orchestrated by his biggest enemy in his movement.... so he's a minor figure (in terrms of mass murder) bloated up to mythic proportions by modern russia as a justification for or distraction from russian atrocities.... pay attention to Bandera! Praise Stalin who killed many, many, many, many more!!!!


See above... (and again he had no direct involvement (or even prior knowledge of?) the worst excesses carried out in his name, but by all means accept the current russian version of him...

I have to agree here.

I didn't even mention Bandera. I was writing about UPA.

Of course. I only try to be fair, as always - Poles weren`t so innocent as many believe. But Polish murderers who killed innocent people in the name of Great Poland are venerated as heroes today. Pointing the finger at Ukrainians is simply unfair.


Yes, and Poles did it, too.

I don't see any movement in RuSSia supporting the wiping out of the surname of Kalinin from "Kaliningrad". Do you?


By whom are they venerated in Poland?
As for pointing fingers - it depends. If I am able to point the finger at Poles, then I think I have the right to point the finger at others too... No matter if those "others" are Ukrainians, RuSSians, Serbs or Turks.

Quite. Much the same with Petliura's people. He wasn't a mass murderer though some of his officers certainly were

It's noticeable that the gentile Poles here who can't get past the actions of UPA-B don't express the same outrage about the pogroms against Jewish Poles under Petliura's men.

Bandera was a hero who fought against genocidal oppression of his people by r*SSia. And heroes of course are always flawed.

All this is in the past though. Now the common enemy is r*SSia. They aren't bands of desperate partisans in the past; they are something far worse in the present.

@jon357, who said that we don't feel the same about what UPA did to Polish Jews? Do you have no shame, jon357? Maybe you'd like to discuss how Ukrainians were aiding the Nazis in killing Jews during World War II? lol I bet you don't want to go there... 🙄


We all know that. And we're all for supporting Ukraine. It doesn't mean though that I'll let anyone whitewash or diminish what UPA did and I won't pretend that I'm not bothered by idolising mass murderers. Especially considering how Westerners here get all worked up about ethnic cleansing and rapes perpetrated by Serbs.

The same people who have been boring me for the last 30 years with their (always unprompted) opinion about Bandera. All the stuff they'd been fed by Pro-r*SSia Communists and toxic nationalists. I also heard the Ukrainian view (though they've never tried to hector me about their sense of victimhood as Poles have, even though they have more cause to) and their line makes more sense historically.


Jewish Poles. Are Jewish and gentile Poles not the same nation?


Or be realistic about a point of view that differs. The Ukrainian national hero Bandera (about whom most Ukrainians have a highly nuanced opinion may not be liked by many Poles, just as Pilsudski is disliked by many Ukrainians.

@jon357, there's no "point of view" on ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is EVIL. No matter who is/was perpetrating it and who are/were the victims and how the perpetrators are/were justifying it.


You were the one who singled them out, as if they were not part of the Polish society. And it makes no difference to me, btw, if Ukrainians were killing Polish Jews or Ukrainian Jews, Poles or Eskimos - they were all people and killing them was equally evil.

There is


Yes, the Germans who were ethnically cleansed from their lands by Polandb after WWII and the Palestinians who were expelled en-masse Kuwait after after the first gulf war say that even now as do the Lemkos who were ethnically cleansed from their own lands and deleted against their will to Gdańsk. There are however sometimes very practical reasons for it.

I would not hesitate to boot the r*SSians out of Kaliningrad either (or from the three Baltic States) and wouldn't raise a finger to stop Bhutanis relocating the Nepalis in Bhutan.


Looks as if you misunderstood that one by a wide margin. And no, "the Ukrainians" were not killing any group. Small factions of individuals were, and far less than propagandists would have people believe.