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You're right. There were quite a few minor Fuhrers who managed to die peacefully. Not in our part of the world though. Europeans are more cruel and unforgiving than any other people in the world. We don't let our Hitlers, Mussolinis and Ceausescus live long when they fail us.

I don't count Franco, Salazar or Kaczynski as Fuhrers because they were/are Catholics and a leader who bases his power on Catholic ideas cannot be considered totalitarian (only perhaps authoritarian).

Oh....

Could Deng Xiaoping then, as an exponent of the Confucian system of values, not be totalitarian either - since it is the Will of Heaven that a country be run by an efficient scholar bureaucrat? Also, would you call Deng a mere "minor Fuhrer"?

In reality - what you just said is the very foundation of the Russian autocratic tradition. An Orthodox ruler can only be an autocrat - not a tyrant. As every family must have a head, so the nation must have its father. Bla, bla, bla...

Oh, come on - what are they supposed to die for? Putin's stolen billions? Oligarchs' golden toilets? Cleptocracy that treats them like cattle and canon fodder? It's hardly a great, patriotic war, in defense of poor treacherously attacked Russia, is it?


So, what changed? When did you become a putinist?


Good point.

As for the difference between Catholic dictators and those who follow different value system, I can only refer you to Adam Wielomski's "Hiszpania Franco" and Słęcki's/Szklarski's "Franco i Salazar. Europejscy dyktatorzy". Perhaps there are Russian/English editions.


But Orthodoxy is a schismatic religion (i.e. a false one) - if you base your authocracy on a false religion, you are bound to go wrong at some point (it's better than atheist/marxist one, but still).

Don't let his tears fool you Ptak, he is reading ever damn one of our posts.
He is just upset that we haven't marched to his beat and stooped to his demands.
People that he use to work with called him a "Control Freak".
We still like him though no matter how many times he repeats himself.

Salazar and Franco - maybe, but Kaczynski is a puppet with protestant puppet master hand inserted into his azz. ;)

And, Medvedev is still right about patented degenerates, jus too optimistic to expect to see it into "elite" only. ;)

I did not become a Putinist, but I became a convinced Marxist. Through the lens of dialectical materialism - Putin is completely explainable.

You can't jump over your head. Even America - shining beacon of democracy - needed its own "Cincinnatus" in the beginning. George Washington led the United States for almost 30 years through a Revolution, creation of the American government, and then two terms as President. When he died, people cried in the streets like when Stalin died.

FDR was elected to 4 (!!!) terms. He was so close to becoming an American king - after saving the country from the Great Depression and taking it through the World War - that people decided to change electoral laws.

When there is a lot going on, things are volatile, it may be that stability - however it smells - is better than the alternative.

@Velund

As for Kaczynski and Russia - he was willing to extend his hand to Russians even after the Smolensk air disaster - in which, he still believes until today, Russians killed his brother.



So, I wouldn't denigrate him. He's a c*nt but a principled one, who is willing to forgive even his brother's death if it's for the greater good of Poland.


*profoundly shocked*

And you serve American capitalist imperial dogs and their banking system! Unbelievable...


Hmm... another good point.

Nothing about being a Marxist (intellectually), prevents you from making as much money as possible. You may even be a little more clear eyed about how best to do it.

It's the interpretation of history which makes the most sense to me, though it does have some obvious flaws.

Of course not.

But being a Marxist and working for American capitalist banking system is a bit like being a pacifist kumbaya singer and working for Waffen-SS.


Oh, right. So you're not really into Marxist economy?

Pope, by definition is more Catholic than anyone, the rest is various degrees of heresy. ;)

Not these days, he isn't.

I'm not going to bore you with Vaticanum Secundum, Archbishop Lefebvre, sedevacantists, Traditioni Custodes and all this stuff. It's complicated. Orthodoxy is noughts and crosses, Catholicism is chess. Different levels of complexity.

It's quite normal for people to have Marxian economic views, without being politically Marxist. Orthodox economic schools of thought, in many aspects rely on Marxian analysis for certain moments.

There is no "Marxist economy". There are Stalinist-Leninist economic systems, Maoist systems, the Juche system, etc... but not a Marxist system. Marx lived during the wildest days of capitalism, and didn't get to describe too many practical prescriptions. What he did supremely well was explain how everything works.

Economies have changed dramatically since the 1850s, and not everything he developed as analytical tools is still relevant. However, the way in which he described how we got from being cavemen to being the way we were in the 1850s, is definitely a better explanation than anything in the Bible, Kant, Rousseau, or Nietzsche.


Bureaucracies will generate complexities to equal their staff numbers.

Simple. Everybody is a capitalist at home - even Pelosi and Obama. Do you think that Pope believes in "miracles"? He prays for them but never saw one.

Many are simply tired of an extreme liberal left-wing agenda which
has long left out the majority white electorate in favor of third-worlders
whom the gov't. feels it owes a favor and/or a living. When people from
one's own turf feel ignored, they're more than likely to lash out with a vengeance.

Rather reminds me of Trump, only I would have thought America ought
to have known better, given our anti-dictatorial past.

The idea of original sin alone describes pretty well the reason for the state of the world, and there's much more about human nature in the Bible that's still perfectly relevant today.


Sounds accurate :) Is it from Marx?


Comrade Bergoglio? I have my doubts.

Yes. As my crazy Christian friend always asks me, "The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, Bobko - what will you do about this information?". I always tell him I will await further instruction from him, because I am afraid to make a mistake.

The Marxist interpretation of history is a history of continuous struggle and exploitation. From these struggles between classes - progress arises. It's very simple.

Actually, this one did see a miracle: he is Pope.

@maxalyx, did you ever receive my private message from the other day?

I am tempted to post pictures of my hands but then my middle fingers would get me suspended.
Those two are forum parasites. They wake up only to get on another poster's case with patronizing advice and fake concerns.
I had enough of this crap so both are now invisible. What a relief...like taking a good dump...

I think it's hilarious there is a Pope. God's deputy.

Even in this life, we can't deal directly with the man in charge.

Fred Harrison says something similar in his The Traumatised Society. The problem (for Marxists) is that all the patterns Harrison mentions have already been described in the Old Testament. After the Bible not much more can be said about human nature, course of history and economy as well; a guy called Gary North wrote an economic commentary on every book of the Bible (around 9000 pages in my edition :)) and there's a whole movement of theonomy/Christian reconstruction that interpretes everything pretty well in the light of the Bible alone. And don't even get me started on the Jews and their study of economics they draw from the Tanakh and Talmud. Different levels of complexity ;)


...a miracle indeed. *rolls eyes*

Anyways, we are talking about economy and religion in a thread about Russian invasion of Ukraine and Poland's heroic support for the attacked. I sense mod intervention and 28739 seconds of suspension for everyone involved. :)

When did we have an "extreme right dictatorship"?
Fascism is just as left as communism so don't go there. Both are oppressive and totalitarian - one brown and the other red. Two drug gangs fighting for a street corner in Chicago are still gangs.

"Rightists" want a small government, no protected classes, closed borders, and voter IDs. See "affirmative action". Just to add some clarity to these concepts...

...because we said everything already. My own posts are boring to me by now.


I talk to me daily after breakfast.

I know what you mean. And nobody seems to have managed to convince anyone from the other side to his views.

Aren't internet boards quite useless? :-/

You mean I wasted all that creative energy for nothing? Then I want my money back...
Hey, Putin, do something we can argue about...

This is truly depressing.

Maybe some "silent" readers of the forum had their opinions shaped in some way.

What's trully depressing is that good men are dying for bs. All wars end where they started minus the dead and disabled for life. I hate it.

If all men were like me there would be no wars - only the middle fingers up in the air...That's why I really don't like "patriots" and heroes.

Some would say... the best.

While others sit in New Yorks and Londons, or are bribing officials for deferments, suddenly deciding to enroll in college, or having a sudden urge to go backpacking in Georgia or Kyrgyzstan.

You never know who is really replying to you - trained dog or God himself. ;)