IF EU let refugees to Europe

Well said... but worrying the number of leftists, marxists in upper echelons (etc) still trying to stifle open and honest debate with insults and accusations of "racist" and "bigot" (an oft used but worn-out overused tactic) despite the predicament we have been forced into (did we vote for this?... No!).

The answer to a humanitarian crisis such as this is to provide support at source. Fund the camps for those who have been displaced. From those camps allow refugees to apply for asylum and have a controlled process to allow those in most need into not only Europe but also other parts of the World such as South America, USA, Asia.

The current scenario ensures that those in the most need who cannot make the trip to Europe receive little support and are left in dire circumstances. Whilst others who perhaps shouldn't be eligible join the refugees march and arrive into Europe. This means we misallocate vital resources away from those who most need it.

Any forward thinking state has an obligation to help, but help doesn't have to mean allowing anyone asylum who reaches it's shores.

This is global problem that needs global co-ordination. Not a bumbling Merkel dictating to Europe.

Well thats really how all social justice warriors think. Their goal is just and everyone who disagrees is either wrong or racist/bigot/homophobe/whatever.

Quit spewing your made up racist propaganda jon.
No one hates Muslims in the sense you are trying to convey, we hate what the Muslims goals are and how they are going about to achieve them.

We hate that our children will never have the opportunities that their parents and grandparents have worked and sacrificed so hard for all their lives to build a country and culture with live in.

We hate people from other countries who force their way into OUR COUNTRY and demand FREE welfare when they have paid zero into it or tell us that they do not approve of in OUR COUNTRY.

You damn right we hate this and aren't going to sit down and be pee'd on while they do it.
Go back home and build up your own country like other countries have that have worked hard to get what they have.
Get out, go home, have a nice day.
My children do not need to be exposed to the ilk of a bunch of Muslims who's goal is to take over OUR COUNTRY !

Sorry jon but you are one of those Passive Aggressive Muslims yourself and glaringly stand out so can it.

And he wears those curly slippers, the bastard.

The truth does sting sometimes dunnit.

In what way does the current humanitarian crisis in Europe which we are discussing and you are trying to discuss involve people trying to 'force' their way into America?

It's not a humanitarian crisis. No one in Europe is fleeing war anymore (nor were they fleeing war in Turkey).

so Maf, you think that the thousands of people who are walking across Europe and sleeping rough outdoors with their children, are doing it for the hell of it, ?

MCR: "This is global problem that needs global co-ordination. Not a bumbling Merkel dictating to Europe": 100% agree! Yesterday I heard the spokesman of a German employers' association (sorry I did not pay attention to his name but through Google possible to get it ;)) requesting a ... lower ( ;););) minimum salary in Germany in order to facilitate "refugees' integration".... (....)

True face of "generosity". Clear: cheaper labor for German bosses while Germans shall be unemployed.... Not only they are cynical but also they are as stupid as one can ever be. Do they think that Germans shall accept that?????

I felt sick when I heard the guy...

They do it for the free apartament and thousands of euro promised by Merkel. They even admit this on camera.

First it IS NOT a humanitarian crisis as only 30% of the people are coming from Syria.......
Why aren't they going to other Muslim brothers countries ?
Because they don't want them either.
It is an economic invasion to spread Islam throughout the world jon.
That has been repeated over and over yet you insist on denying the obvious and what the Koran teaches.
You keep on trying to color us stupid with your propaganda.
America has taken more then their share of the people that brought down the World Trade Center that killed over 3000 Americans.
Who is showing/showed the hate here ?
The Muslims are "forcing" American's to give up their culture and accept theirs just like they are doing in Europe jon.
We can't 'wait' for it to happen before it is to late to stop it.
Europe is already fukced and in 20 years they are going to wonder why they let this happen.
I was at our U.S. Immigration Center within the last six months and 70% of the people that were sworn in that day as U.S. citizens were Muslim.

Only one person from Poland.
Once Obama our Muslim president is out of office all that is going to change.
It's an invasion of people who are unhappy in their Muslim nations that once out and once they get to freedom they are unhappy there too.

Call it what it is jon, "Humanitarian Crisis" is just a disguise to make it sound humanitarian and acceptable to keep it going until it is to late.

70% of the invaders (of that 90% men of fighting age) have nothing to do with humanitarian.

They think they're gonna get these people to work? According to one source 70 % of those accepted for apprenticeship training don't finish because they think it's "beneath" them.


You're paying attention to the wrong thing - while journalists go out of their way to show women and children these are over 70% young men of fighting age.

Secondly, they clearly want a lifestyle that their values will never bring about. Why is civil war in Syria Germany's problem? (though again the great majority of those hoofing it are not Syrians).

Not an employers organization, but the ifo Institute in Munich (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifo_Institute_for_Economic_Research)

tagesschau.de/inland/fluechtlinge-arbeitsmarkt-107.html

Translation:
"Most refugees are not qualified for the German job market. We worry that many of them will not find work even for a minimum wage of EUR 8.50, simply because their productivity is too low. The institute therefore recommends to lower the minimum wage."

No one of the rich countries of the gulf (including the one where i live) accepted a SINGLE refugee.

Instead, they offered millions to build more mosques to those refugees, in Europe!

KSA has accepted 2.5 million Syrian refugees.

But don't let facts get in the way of your emotions.

Hahaha No! They are not refugees! They were there even before the war broke. And they are labourers. They produce and they contribute to the economy. If they don't work they get deported.

Very different from those that Mama Merkel is OBLIGATING Poland to accept, that will live on benefits.

Call them refugees is the same as call myself refugee! (While at my case would not be completely untrue, since my country was screwed by a left-wing government and that obligated me to come here).

Oh rly? So they're there just for fun then....


Here?

So in fact you're an economic migrant who couldn't find a job at home...

1 - I could, but i would receive in a worthless money (Since the first thing that all Left Wing government do, the same that you support, is destroy the currency of their countries).

2 - Yes, i am an economic migrant.A Legal, law abiding one.

Those jumping borders at Hungary to arrive to Germany to suck off benefits are the Illegal ones.

So you're an economic migrant - something that you're accusing refugees from an oppressive regime of being.

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So in other The Others words (pun intended) "We are going to lower what is already a German family of three can't survive on and lower the wage further and give that job to a Muslim with six kids, a wife and himself to live on."

Makes perfect sense to create economic refugees into welfare refugees. And the point of that is ?

So you are calling Assad regime as the "Oppressive" one?

You know that this statement says a lot about you, Jon?

A Bit more and you will call Al Nusra and ISIS as "Freedom Fighters" like i see some imans do here.

Actually, there is significant opposition to the minimum wage in Germany - this is just an excuse. The German government only introduced it because one of the coalition partners made it clear that it was a red line in any negotiations.

What that institute proposed is exactly the opposite. They want to save money and avoid paying benefits for the refugees by getting them employed. To find an employer who's willing to hire them though, you'll have to lower the hourly wages because they have no training/education whatsoever. That was the idea.

You are totally right of course that this doesn't make any sense. Nobody can feed a family on EUR 8.50 or less an hour, so in the end, the people will be dependent on government support anyway, which will cost billions upon billions of Euros with no end in sight. Especially when asylum is granted and the refugees are entitled to family reunification. We won't be talking about 8 million people then, but about - I don't know - 50 million, 60 million, 70 million folks of which the vast majority will probably never integrate and never find work. That's suicide for every society.


That's true.

Recent research by 2 Swedish professors over the last 4 years, 92% of the ''refugees'' in Sweden are unemployed, I'm sure it's actually a case of them being unemployable, not a lot of call for some goat herder from Eritrea, so johnny reb your right, there's your welfare refugees and at what cost. jon357, someone told you earlier, get your head out of the sand.

Lets cut to the chase, when they landed in either Greece or Italy, how many claimed asylum or refugee status, both of those countries are ''safe'' of course not, not enough free stuff even though they have contributed ZERO.

Many have said it on this thread and only now the EU have decided to do something (although not all agree) stop it at source. When this ''invasion'' started some months ago why was nothing done then, did Merkel's mob think it would be finished within a couple of weeks, pure stupidity.

I also agree with an earlier post, funny how the media are now concentrating on the crying child, the mother with no shoes, the old man carrying his wife of 50 years. To begin with there were only young, fit men, almost like they were sent to ''test the water'' now it seems to be a case of ''I made it Fatima come over with the kids''

I can see that this is going to end in tears, I just hope they are not mine.

When Iraq is better than German refugee camps: A growing number of refugees are going back

businessinsider.com/when-iraq-is-better-than-german-refugee-camps-a-growing-number-of-refugees-are-going-back-2015-10

"When I first entered the camp I was shocked to see the difference between the Berlin I had in mind and what I was seeing," Mr Qadir, 24, said. "I was looked at as a second class citizen, I didn't feel respected. When I walked into town it was clear I was a camp guy - a refugee."

Mr Qadir had spent two and a half months in a transit camp on the outskirts of Berlin. He had hoped to open a pizza shop, make enough money to help his family in Erbil, marry and raise children in a European country.

Alias paid a smuggler $20,000 to help him and his ten-year-old son travel to Germany by land. After weeks on the road and a 13-day stint in a Bulgarian prison, they reached eastern Germany where they shared a room with two other asylum seekers.

"The German government offered food and 540 euros to me and my son but it was not enough," Mr Alias said. "My son was sad and scared, he didn't have any friends or relatives and it was hard to find someone to speak to in Kurdish or Arabic."

Now he is back - his tent in Dohuk preferable to poverty in Germany. "My community welcomed me back," he said. "My friends came around to drink beer and smoke together, like before."

@The other: I do NOT know who the guy is but I have heard him clearly. He could well be from an employers' organization since who else would like to lower the minimum wage in order to hire cheaper labor? I really felt sick when I heard him. Does he think that Germans will agree to it? Our "elites" are completely disconnected from the real world and most cynical. Abject!

That guy's from Iraq, not from Syria. I'd bet that his application for asylum was therefore rejected and they sent him home. Together with the other 50 Kurds that were mentioned in the article.


Agree. They are in the pocket of the big corporations, as we all know.

@The Other: what guy????? For sure, not the one I'm talking about because "mine" is as German as Merkel is ;)