IF EU let refugees to Europe

Sorry, I was referring to the article that NoThanks linked in #2596. You posted right before I posted my answer to NoThanks. Happens sometimes.

@The Other: No sweat ;). I posted between 2 other posts so suddenly I did not know who was who... Then I got the idea ;). For sure, Mama Merkel has brought Europe a big sh{{{t. The problem is global and most complex and too difficult for her (the proof she can't handle situation and now forces the other 27 to help her). I expect the new Polish government to give her a rough time and I'm looking forward to it ;)

I know someone who's living in Erbil and he says (or did last time I talked to him before the summer) that it is stable and peaceful.

I think that guy was Kurdish and therefore not in the same bottom basement league as the other 95% jihadists. Good luck with trying to convince that lot to go home :)

The Germans really have a problem on their hands. They can't keep these people locked up in compounds indefinitely, sooner or later they'll exercise their human rights and privileges.

The authorities will be forced to give the migrants better education and jobs than their own indigenous people. They will have to positively discriminate or it will cause riots and sacking of inner city areas.

This will be the 3rd time the Germans will have totally messed Europe up in 100 years. So record of achievement that.

@Billy: here, I agree with you! For the 3rd time in 100 years, Germany has "messed up" Europe... Merkel is maybe as dangerous as Adolf was ...

Don't forget that Italy and Greece were already overrun by refugees from Libya's coast and Turkey before Merkel interfered. At that time nobody in Europe seemed to care, so now it's of course very covenient for politicians all over the EU to point the finger at Merkel. She was stupid enough to open her mouth - that's what will ultimately cost her her (political) head. The Bavarian CSU is at her throat already, and the rest will follow very soon. All Germans I know are totally upset and do not agree the slightest with their government.


Nonsense (see above). And it's not "the Germans", but Angela Merkel and the idiots from Brussels.

Germans don't seem to be fulfilled (as a country) unless they're antagonizing everyone around them as much as possible.....

I apologise and stand corrrcted...It is Merkel that has messed up, not the German people.

It beggars belief that one insane individual can do this against the wishes of her people. She's as bad as Adolf maybe worse as she's done the same in one summer unlike Hitler who took 6 years!

Germany as a whole is unwilling to accept/realize they are destined to be just another Western European multicultural nation if they hope to continue evolving into an Economic Power

The 'Birth Rate' fallacy has been shoved down their throats for a couple decades now. I remember my Muslim/Turkish-German born friend discussing it to me in the early 2000s.

Remember the witch?


What do you mean? Germany has been one of the top three economic powers in the world for the past 50 years.

Japan aren't going down this route. They are comfortable with shrinking from 120million back down to 40million people.

Yes it will be hard until the baby boomers die off, but the result will be a lovely unified country, still with its culture and nationhood intact. And it won't be having a civil war

They should because it makes sense. I've said it somewhere else already: in our day and age of globalization, the argument that you can only preserve economic power by keeping or increasing your population is void.

More easily done on an Island than mainland Central Europe. But beyond that, yeah I completely agree.

It's puzzling and rather disheartening to see the White Race act so irresponsibly. Maybe these are issues Socialist Europe would face eventually, so better now than later. Resentment towards immigration has been publicly brewing for at-least 5 years. IMO as the gates are being shut, Liberal Politicians saw their final opportunity [in our life-time] to reel in 1 more exodus of cheap labor/votes.


Germany fails to reel in educated and hungry immigrants. In comparison to USA/UK and i think language plays a large part in this.

I personally studied Deutsch in College in the hopes of working there. I always knew I would earn more money in the USA but superior German culture than USA/UK [as well as it's proximity to Poland] was the difference maker to me. But now I'm supposed to earn less while paying for refugees AND experiencing a declining German society? I might as well stay in melting pot California at that point.

Well it's considered "racist" to criticize non-white immigration so white people who care about their jobs are forced to keep quiet. Search "barbara spectre" on you youtube. People like her are pushing for multi-culti.

Maybe, just maybe the Germans are getting more than a wee bit sick and tired of carrying the dead weight from certain of their lardass neighbors to the South:-) "New markets" opening up to them?? Frankly, it's no longer the sheer presence of emerging economies, but rather the quality of their infrastructure and what they are producing of commensurate value for a high-octane over-achiever like Germany!

"Maybe, just maybe the Germans are getting more than a wee bit sick and tired of carrying the dead weight from certain of their lardass neighbors to the South"

Yeah, that's why they go crazy whenever any member state start discussing EA/EU exit... EA/EU is for Gerries, by Gerries, to Gerries. It's 4th Reich. I doubt we will be able to leave it without war.

But it sure feels good to get all that money, doesn't it? LOL!

At a time when EU pressuring Poland (and not only Poland), Serbia, with its open and wise policy on Russia, securing Polish eastern borders. As long as Serbians have good relations with Russia Poland don`t have to worry. Elegantly, from Serbians. Serbians bringing balance. They influence Russia and keep Russia far from any wrong deal, behind back of Poles, with sinister western Europe.

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Vucic and Medvedev

Now is different.

Just heard now on TV, Austria to build a wall on their border with Slovenia. Bravo, Frau Merkel! Thanks to your greed, we have a big sh]]]t in the EU.....

Merkel has gone quiet.

The first duty of any leader is to protect borders and look after their own people.

Just wondering how long it'll take for the backlash and what her bosses, the Saudi's will make of it (the sooner their oil runs out and they disappear back into the sand, the better for all of us).

@Lyzko

A quote for you and other pro-EU's

"Leaving aside the larger questions about currency manipulation via first the Euro itself and later the depressed exchange rates due to the ongoing and artificial crisis, Germany has, just since 2008, saved €100,000,000 on debt refinancing as a consequence of the various Greek crisis points alone. Much of that debt has 10 and 20 year maturities, and Germany will therefore realize a much greater return as their debt matures.

There is also the cost of contagion to Germany in the absence of the various bailouts. Given that the rationale for the bailouts has always been that it prevented a European and possibly worldwide Minsky Moment, the cost of German loans to the periphery should be included as well. This amount comes to nearly €750,000,000 which brings the ancillary savings alone to nearly one trillion euros.

It is precisely because of US transfers to Puerto Rico that you don't hear about it in the news.

The Eurogroup was, and is, not an administrative body. It had no legal basis at all when they negotiated the first bailouts, and today has only the authority to meet and discuss, but not to set, policy. It is as undemocratic an institution as any western state or states has maintained since the middle of the 20th century. You may be interested to know that Sarkozy opposed the implementation of the Eurogroup on the grounds that only elected officials should make policy on such a scale. He was overruled by Merkel.

Finally, you seem to suggest a relationship between the bubble period and the growth of debt, about which you claim opponents of austerity have no thought to repay. It was Varoufakis's main point that austerity made it impossible to repay the debt, a point on which every economist agrees to some extent or another. His plan was ignored for, among other reasons, the fact that it would force Germany to reform its economy - i.e., give German laborers a well deserved raise.

This last point is also the means by which the various Eurozone bubbles could be created at all: Germans recycled their lost wages into capital exports, which boosted wages in neighboring states, which in turn facilitated increased German exports, and in turn more capital exports, and so on. It is no coincidence that Germany became briefly the world's largest exporter in absolute terms - an advanced economy of 80 million exporting more than China's developing economy with 1.3 billion. Germany today exports a far larger proportion of its overall GDP than China does, and has done far less than China to rebalance its economy.

In short, the means by which Germany finally recovered from its long malaise since reunification was through the generosity of its neighbors, who generally imported far more from Germany than they exported to it - as well as by running consistently higher inflation. Now Germany demands they do as it did, all while increasing its trade imbalances, artificially restraining inflation and wages, destroying the industrial capacity of its neighbors through austerity, and lashing their future generations to impossible debt, ridiculous primary account surpluses, and permanently reduced productivity due to unemployment.

Thus, the point isn't to leave the European Union or even the Eurozone, but to rescue both from the German hegemony."

Years ago Germans tried to take the world over with brute force now it seems they're trying to do it with economical ways. Heard an interesting opinion that the immigration wave and an invite from Merkel was 100% on purpose because German population is predicted to drop by 2 millions by 2020.

Nice try, but Germany was already the world's largest exporter long before the country introduced the Euro in 2002. You are aware of the fact that the Germans didn't want the Euro but had to introduce it because otherwise France wouldn't have supported the reunification with the GDR?

It wasn't just about the EZ but about all the years after EU was introduced. I'll paste some more after work since now I'm busy. Also do you know that Slovenia is the biggest contributor per capita? An underdeveloped country?

Slovenia is a net recipient, just like Poland: telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/11221427/EU-budget-what-you-need-to-know.html

What happened to the German enthusiasm for bringing hundreds of thousands of muslim men into Germany? The girls in this video sound a little concerned...

youtube.com/watch?v=-VJyKRwQHHM

France has the worst foreign policy in Europe, at times it's worse than American foreign policy (and that's saying something).

Thanks France....... for NUTHIN'!!!!

It had been a long time since underclass Anglo tabloid readers had not done any French bashing ;);). The current problem that has destroyed Europe comes from Merkel. Once more, Germany has destroyed Europe.

AKA "Reality"


AKA checking the historical record...

spiegel.de/international/germany/the-price-of-unity-was-the-deutsche-mark-sacrificed-for-reunification-a-719940.html

@Maf: don't make us cry! Whole Western Europe has paid for the price of reunification! Germany is the sole responsible of non only current migrant crisis (who has invited them?) but also of the whole messy situation in EU. Germany governs EU, as we see it for instance everywhere since national governments cannot decide anything that does not fit the merkelian kommandantur. National governments HAVE to do what Germany wants them to do and Europeans are more than fed up (= rise of nationalist parties everywhere).

@Levi: if my post is "good" as per your criteria, I may worry! ;). However, yes, Germany is the only responsible country in this great mess. It seems to be worse and worse. How is it going to finish for ALL OF US? Merkel should be judged by international justice (if any ;)).

This is what happens when bleeding hearts leftie do-gooders let culturally incompatible people into our midst -

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3294234/Terror-threat-highest-ve-seen-says-MI5-chief-Britain-faces-unprecedented-risk-ISIS-Al-Qaeda-fanatics-warns-Andrew-Parker-rare-public-speech.html