IF EU let refugees to Europe

Whereas I don't think the current humanitarian crisis is destroying Europe at all, I certainly agree that the only person responsible for the way it is turning out is Angela Merkel.

That is because IT IS NOT A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS !
It is an invasion of Muslims to take over Europe with Islam which the Koran instructs them to do.
How many times do you have to be told this jon ?
Europe will be destroyed by this within one generation, two at the most.
Let's stop it now while we still can.

@Jon, since then, Europe has turned into a total mess, EU countries have become hostile towards each other, populist parties have been on the rise (well, not new, but much stronger since the migrant crisis), in Germany, everyday there is at least one refugees's center blown up... I heard this am a speech made yesterday by Tusk in Brussels and he expressed his fears that EU stop being what it was used to and what "we (?) have built"... Merkel/Germany have made a huge bs (how could Germany accommodate 1 million persons per year????) and now, it's everybody's problem.

To take in genuine war refugees, 100% ok, but not to take in half of the 3rd world because they can't eat where they are from. It is not a matter of being generosity but a matter of being realistic. EU cannot take in millions of people. EU countries have unemployment, poverty, homeless people and we just cannot.

I don't see any bright future.

"we (?) have built"

Maybe he referred to his grandfather from Wehrmacht. There's some continuation indeed...

That is part of the Muslims game plan to take over Europe.
Back at the beginning of this thread when all the liberal do gooders were going to each take a family in their home and all thought what a good idea it was we tried to tell you but were met with the typical liberal lingo calling us bigots, haters, racist.

People with working brains said, just wait and see and since those first days things have progressively got worse by the day.
How much longer is it going to take to "wait and see".
Oh, and we told you so, we told you this was going to happen.

Going to get a whole lot worse as climate change occurs. Vaste swathes of the 3rd world will be desert. The human escalator will move to Europe; 100s of milions will overrun us at borders. And those already here will outbreed and exterminate us.

Its the dawn of a new dark age.

@Johnny: af first, it was supposed to be a few thousand war refugees per country and I'm still in favor of helping people who really need help but now because of German greed (they don't have kids so they'll need people to run their economy), the whole European continent has turned into a chaos. Germany has invited EVERYBODY so of course everybody from the whole 3rd world is coming (logical) and now NOBODY knows what to do. A few days ago, they were even talking about a special "migrant tax" in EU. Merkel is completely lost and forces other countries to share her burden. Among EU countries, there is increasing hostility. Even small peaceful countries such as Austria, Slovenia, Croatia are getting ugly to each other (I would have never imagined that).

Personally I'm very scarred. EU cannot take in millions of people. Saying the opposite is a lie.

Firm borders needed, patrolled by the army and no camera's or pesky news reporters.

Unprecedented times require leadership and action.

This is the best summary of the world in 50 years as i saw until now.

Extremelly realistic, unfortunately.

Sounds plausible but what can be done about it. The worst thing is precedent. When one group achieves a once seemingly unattainable goal, legions are likely to follow. The refugee invasion seems to be causing once extremely democratic-minded post-war Germans to revert to totalitarian ways. Someone posted on PF an item about a private hotel in Halle whose employees and guests wwere ordered to vacate so refugees could be housed therein. Makes one wonder where this is all going!?

Tough times call for tough measures, the rhetoric, nice fluffy words from the PC brigade not wishing to appear ''racist'' or a ''bigot'' just tell it how it is, they're not welcome, Europe is full, enough is enough. 1.2billion people live on the continent of Africa, what if they all want to come on Monday?

Not sure when this ''invasion'' started, maybe April? so its taken the EU 6 months to come up with a plan, more support (cash) and stopping the smugglers at source, wow, talk about incompetent, I would be spoken to if I overspent my budget by a 100 quid. if any of us performed that badly in our jobs we would be fired within a week, these are the best people we could find to look after 500 million people, sorry, 501 million and counting.

As Inpolska has stated, we now have some of the smallest countries within the EU falling out with each other, everyone blaming someone else, looks like the plan is coming together already, even ''happy'' Austria have stated that they are ''full'' and thinking of building a fence.

Another thing I have noticed on this thread is how quiet the leftie tree huggers have been lately, what happened to all the, ''I could lend them my spare flat'' ''I have a spare room'' comments.

As billy9999 states, they will outbreed us by the factor of 4 5 6 to 1, within 1 maybe 2 generations life as we know it in Europe will be finished, just look at the pictures on TV, they can't even put rubbish in the bin, the places they are travelling through look like waste lands, if your ''invading'' someone else's country at least try to be polite and respectful and pick up your rubbish when you leave.

Well, they love to meddle behind the scenes, as we all know. Their biggest blunder was the Treaty of Versailles, the second one their insistence on a common European currency because they couldn't stand the idea of a strong and powerful Germany.


I suggest you check who is actually occupying the top positions in the EU and in Brussels. Hardly any Germans. Instead they had little "Napoleons" like the French Jean-Claude Trichet who - as head of the ECB - had a big part in creating the mess in Greece. So stop whining and coming up with nonsense like


France is as much to blame for the crisis in Europe as Germany, and the Brits aren't innocent either. This finger-pointing and backstabbing which is currently going on amongst European nations for sure doesn't help, but makes it even more difficult to solve the problems.


Is that why France has so many Algerians? Greed and low birth rate? Think before you talk.

Agree. The Brits have been providing free first-class ferry service all summer long in the form of two warships to deliver these people, free of charge, from Libyan coast straight to Italy.

People forget that the crisis was already there BEFORE Merkel opened her stupid mouth. Europe, including France, didn't care about what was happening in Italy and Greece.

Indeed.

But Merkel, with her fairy tale of open borders, made it much worse.

@The other: I don't have time now but just to answer quickly ;). Do you think anyone can be appointed without the kommandantur's approval? Anyone in Europe who dares being against Germany is out. One example among so many: Y. Varoufakis, the Greek former Minister of Economy. Germany did not like him so out! The EU has become a German dictatorship and most peoples want to get out (I do too but I am aware it's technically very difficult).

As to Algerians in France, what's common with current migrant crisis???? ;). First of all, Algerians were French citizens until 1962 and France did not force other countries to accept them???? What's the comparison with today's crisis???? Were other countries forced by France to accept Algerians? Which ones? Tell me so I can "laugh"!!! Furthermore for your info (of course your only "knowledge" is ... Wiki ;)) Algerians are not that numerous in France since the largest "foreign" (yes, because some got naturalized) community in France are the Portuguese, who arrived during their dictatorship. Well, I know you don't know anything but you talk..

As to birth rate in France, it's good and it's number 2 (inspite of huge use of contraception and easy abortion, both free of charge) just behind Ireland. The reason why the birth rate is good in France it's because of French system helping families to have and to raise kids and enabling women to have kids AND to work whereas in Germany for instance, women have to choose between having kids and work. Germany has a low birth rate, France does not....

In the meantime, thanks again to the Germans, whole Europe is once more in a big sh@@@t and your friend Merkel demands everybody to help. Who else has invited migrants? Only Merkel (who thinks she owns Europe and Europeans) has and everybody else has to manage.

Nobody in their right mind can deny that the responsible of all this is Germany. Only Germany has invited them. I say Germany and not Merkel since all politicans and and the majority of Germans are behind Merkel. Unfortunately Germans against her are minorities.

What does your good friend Merkel suggest to solve HER problem?

The EU definition of what qualifies as asylum are so wide we may well be talking about several millions of people over the next few years.

What percentage of births are by native French and what percentage are by those that dress/act as if they were still in Africa?

@Maf: once again, you prove that you don't know ;). In France, statistics based upon ethnic origin and religions are NOT allowed. Sure, some fascists make speculations but there are nothing but pure speculations. However, I can tell you that catholics do have a lot of kids too

You're blinded by your patriotism and unable to accept any critical view of your country, InPolka, but hey ... that's what the French are famous for (apart from eating frogs, that is) ... ;)

Look at the demographics and then tell me, is France greedy to let all those foreign women into the country to keep the birth rate up? That's what you blamed the Germans for.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France#Fertility


No, they are not. The largest group (first and second generation) are the Algerians, followed by the Moroccans and the Portuguese.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France#Today


Some Algerians were. The rest were slaughtered while they were fighting for their independence from their colonial overlord France...


How about you use your brain instead of your mouth occasionally, mademoiselle? And try to keep your naive xenophobia under control. Are you voting for Le Pen by any chance?

Not a good idea, it's hard to make policy if you don't know who's doing what to whom.....

Of course there are numbers available. Check these:

insee.fr/fr/ffc/docs_ffc/ref/FPORSOC11d_VE22Immig.pdf
wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France#Fertility

back to the topic of the thread please


Then why do you talk about Germany? You clearly have no clue what's going on there.

Look, Merkel was plain stupid and I have no idea what got into her to invite all these people, but to claim that the Germans opened the flood gates because they needed cheap slaves and "child producers" to run their economy as you do is simply naive. Let me repeat myself: the crisis was already there BEFORE Merkel chipped in. Nobody in Europe, and that includes France, gave a f*uck about what was going on in Italy and Greece.

Are you really french???

Because if you are, i am surprised how illiterate you are to say such a false information.

There are WAY less portugueses in France than Algeriens.

There are only rough estimâtes (normal as per international standards). Just check "statistiques ethniques et religieuses INTERDITES" and you'll see. A few months ago, there was a controversy because some FN officials wanted to do so (ex. Robert Ménard, in Béziers and he got in trouble with law). Some left wing people would also like such statistics in order to fight against discrimination of minorities.

I suppose you have such a long experience in France that you know better ;)

@Maf and the other: I've got re law;) for instance: ;)
lci.tf1.fr/france/societe/statistiques-et-fichiers-ethniques-ce-que-la-loi-interdit-8604757.html
cf. Law of 6.1.1978, Chapter 2, Article 8, Paragraph 1. As per law, only place of birth and parents' nationalities can be asked.

What re Poland?

@Maf/The other: to finish, as per Article 226-19 of Criminal Code: 5 years in jail+300,000 euro fines if non respect of Law of 6.1.1978. Hence only estimates. Forbidden to ask people re religion(since 1905 in fact and even in Alsace-Moselle where they have Concordat), ethnics, political opinions..... Of course, you guys "know better";). A few months ago, an extreme-right wing mayor (Robert Ménard, in Béziers) got in serious trouble for ethnics statistics in town's schools and as he risked the above punishments, he gave up ;)

Stick to what you know ;). Believe me, I'll always find relevant info, contrary to you ;)

Allez, sans rancune ! ;);););)

But that's exactly the information that was used in the statistics that you claim are either wrong, rough estimates, or do not exist. What is it then?

Allez, sans rancune ... indeed ... ;)

Merkel is part of the problem

For a long time now the German Chancellor has been regarded as the great authority within Europe. But her refugee policy has turned her into a burden for the Union

dw.com/en/opinion-merkel-is-part-of-the-problem/a-18809382

"Until late this summer, that is, when Merkel reacted to the incoming flow of refugees with two disastrous sentences: "There is no upper limit" and "We can cope." She still stands by these assertions. They were accompanied by selfies with refugees, and a unilateral decision to stop abiding by the Dublin regulation. In Merkel's eyes, building fences to keep refugees out is not only futile but reprehensible. She accepted the state's loss of control over its borders with a mere shrug of the shoulders. And as if all that weren't enough, she stood up in front of all the other Europeans and declared her personal view of things to be the only one that was morally right."

Thanks for posting this. Really interesting, because this is the very first time that I've seen open criticism of Merkel in an official news channel. They are preparing to get rid of her, it seems.

Re deporting up to 200,000 rejected refugees from Germany check out:
wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/23/refu-o23.html

Makes sense, it's not like major French cities are surrounded by vast slums full of a violent non-French underclass.... oh, wait.

A few days in, they already "out-foxed" those Germans!

> On Friday October 23, the government suddenly announced that the new rules would come into effect the very next day, a week ahead of time, a move that was heralded by Angela Merkel's newly-minted refugee crisis coordinator Peter Altmaier as a "good signal."

And yet, even as speculation about a sudden spate of mass deportations circulated in the German media, it turned out that German bureaucracy cannot be shifted out of its normal pace so easily, and in the weekend's news shows there was distinct absence of pictures of refugee families being herded onto airplanes - possibly even military transporters.

> "We look at them, and if they're sick or if they're injured and obviously can't go on the flight, then we take them to the doctor and have them examined," he told DW. "But we have one principle that stands above all:No deportation at any price. No deportation is worth threatening the health or dignity of the individual."

And the scenes can turn ugly at the airport, as Berlin lawyer Oda Jentsch knows. "There are a lot of cases where the deportation simply can't be carried out by force," said Jentsch, who represents many asylum seekers.

> there are some 193,000 people in Germany whose applications have been turned down - but some 140,000 of them have "tolerated" status

dw.com/en/germanys-fast-tracked-deportations-hit-trouble/a-18809153