IF EU let refugees to Europe

Yeah, and i told HUNDREDS of times that among the refugees there would be terrorists, but still you and your left-wing, political correct friends told me that i was racist.

That remember me that nice music from The Hives... I hate to say i told you so.

Just shows that hanging out with the Loudmouth leads to imitation: distorting some tiny speck of information and blowing it way out of proportion. That is another way of lying, so you'd best stay clear of PF's NO. 1 loudmouth, nitpicker and liar.

An interesting graphic here, showing the country of origin and destination
pejl.svt.se/flyktingstrommar-en/#ovr2010

Very intersting. This was from 2014. It'll be interesting to see the 2016 edition. Germany is No. 1 or near the top in nearly every case. Over 60% of stateless refugees are in Sweden. At this rate, those two countries will soon join the UK as Europe's top hellholes. But Italy, France and the Netherlands are also travelling the same road. The relative poverty and lack of lavish welfare hand-outs in the Central-East European countries are what will protect them from that fate. For the time being at least, because it's only a matter of time before Sharia law becomes the norm across the continent. Sometimes it pays to be poor!

Sweden is already a hellhole.

After Lesotho, is the second country in the world in chances of being raped.

You have obviously never been to the UK, otherwise you wouldn't say such a monumentally stupid thing.

Clever camerawork and seductive wording can turn any country into a toruist paradise. The UK has many historic landmarks, changing of the guard, Shakespeare and Nottingham festivals and suchlike. But the UK also has more and more no-go zones. Sharia pockets are emerging and unrestriaend multi-culti has made many inroads into the life of the indigenous population, not all of them postiive. Do you disagree?

There are no no-go areas or Sharia areas. These are figments of the imaginations of the extreme right. Where do get your information, Fox news?

I'm surprised you're unaware that Muslim no-go zones are popular topic of public disucssion in the UK. Here is but one voice in that discussion:

"One of the results of [multiculturalism] has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up and also to turn already separate communities into 'no-go' areas where adherence to this ideology [of Islamic extremism] has become a mark of acceptability." - Michael Nazir-Ali, former Bishop of Rochester.

Precisely. The last example given here is somewhere I spend time every month. Not a 'no-go zone' at all, and probably safer than the majority white estate next to it.

Roger5,

You are talking complete tosh - of course there are no-go areas for the Police or less street wise whites in the UK- you would be very nieve to suggest other. A study by Oxford Professor David Coleman showed that if current immigration levels continue, white Britons will be a minority in little more than 50 years.

There are none, except perhaps in your imagination.

There's a big difference between areas one would be wary of visiting after dark, which have existed as long as humanity, and real no-go areas where the authorities fear to go. These do not exist. If you'd like to list a few, go ahead.

"Muslim no-go zones are popular topic of public disucssion in the UK." Maybe in the Daily Mail. They are not seriously discussed by the British because they don't exist.

So you are saying there is no downside to multi-culti. Then bring it on -- the more the merrier! Maybe the UK should challenge Merkel's Fourth Reich to see who can accept more Muslims in a given period of time. The winner gets to resettle all the loser's Muslims in his own country,

The failure to integrate is a big problem, especially when radical religious nuts stir up disaffected youth. When I think back to my first twenty-five years in London I remember bantering about cricket with the Sikhs at the corner shop, buying hot salt beef sandwiches at the Jewish deli, waiting for samosas fresh out of the oven at a Hindu-owned newsagent, and being treated by doctors from just about everywhere on the planet. Poland is, of course, different. It just doesn't have the recent history of cosmopolitanism that the UK has. Frankly, the only people I'm wary of are asian and north-African muslims.

You get that on both sides, the jihadis on one side and cranks like Orban or Jaro appealing to football hooligans on the other.

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This is an article I read last night
nytimes.com/2015/11/18/world/europe/migrants-germany-culture-shock-in-the-promised-land.html

- When one of Berlin's most popular gay clubs recently held a fund-raising party for refugees, Vivien Roos took along a group of young Afghans and Syrians.........By and large she was right: The men politely declined alcoholic drinks and mingled happily on the dance floor. It was only when two German men started having sex in plain sight that Ms. Roos rushed her group outside. "One of the boys asked me, 'What's that?'" she said. "I just held my hand over his eyes."

-At a temporary home for male teenage refugees in the southeastern city of Passau, a German teacher recounted how a 15-year-old boy from Afghanistan refused to touch his food at lunch. Asked why, he explained that he would not eat as long as a woman was sitting at the same table.........."Dogs don't eat at the table, either," he said matter-of-factly.

- Sometimes there is little to laugh about. Near the German-Austrian border, an Arabic-speaking volunteer was translating when she noticed a woman with a badly bruised face. "Did you do that to her?" the volunteer demanded of the woman's husband. He did not answer, but he smiled with what the volunteer described as visible discomfort. "You're in Germany now," she recalled telling him. "You have to be a good man and observe the law."

- In Dortmund, an Iraqi refugee who was waiting to register his asylum claim got into a heated argument with another migrant about the Israelis and the Palestinians. The Jews, he concluded, were responsible for much of the suffering of Arabs. A charity worker of Moroccan origin explained to him, in Arabic, that such attitudes were not acceptable - particularly in Germany.

The Koran helpfully describes in detail the exact level of violence husbands are allowed to mete out to their wives. I think it's the only holy text to do so (it's certainly the only holy text to describe the acceptable protocals of sex slavery).

US Congress REFUSED the Obama's plan to receive Syrian Illegal Immigrants!

The Multiculralists sufffered a terrible loss today. Lets toast for that!

NASDROVIA!

And with that single statement, Levi proves that he knows nothing about Poland and that he's merely trolling on here out of frustration.

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Dude, each of them pays smugglers to get to the EU about enough to arm 10 people. Besides It's not Assad that's a major problem over there these days If you didn't notice...

Why don't you go there and find out since you're so confident?

@Johnny: once more, you talk about what you don't know about. I understand that you live in .... Jamaica so what the h... do you know about Europe and topic?? You keep confusing MUSLIMS and ISLAMISTS, is it ignorance or dishonesty from your behalf?? I suppose both. Where have you seen that Muslims don't read books, newspapers, don't go to movies, etc etc ????? How many Muslims have you met? I suppose ZERO.

Intelligent (excluding you ;)) people know that among Muslims, max 1% are islamists. Of course 1% are too many (how many terrorists last week in Paris???? Right now, they mention 8 or 9 guys and maybe they'll find 1 or 2 more) and they have to be eradicated by ALL means. If you knew what happens in the rest of the world, you would know that Muslims are by very far the no.1 victims since the no. 1 target from islamists but of course when we live thousands of miles away and one's only "culture" is Youtube and extremist sites, we don't know the reality...

It takes to be really stupid not to make the difference between Muslims and islamists!! Of course all islamists are Muslims but at least 99% of Muslims are NOT islamists. Just to stick to last week's attacks, how many Muslims were killed by these islamist terrorists? I don't have the right number but I can tell you that there were plenty of them among the victims (either killed or wounded).

I "like" PF because for me it's a trip to "ignorance and intolerance land"! ;)

@Polsyr: Don't worry too much about these jerks!!! As you know, they know absolutely NOTHING. Their only source of information are: youtube, Wikipédia, Daily S@@@t and consorts. It is even useless to "discuss" with them... ;)

InPolska, in fairness Johnny was referring to what he calls Muslim countries. Certainly in strict Islamic states it would be true to say that books, newspapers and movies are limited and heavily censored. Also whether you like it or not there are significant numbers of uneducated Muslims in those countries who probably fit the profile Johnny describes. Your average guy tending goats is not likely to be reading much in his spare time.


Where do you get that figure from? That's pure speculation. I've known plenty of Muslims because I've taught their children. None of them seemed to be anything other than ordinary people, for whom religion was an important part of their lives, much as it was to Irish Catholics thirty or forty years ago. However, I would say that 1% fundamentalist/fanatics seems a very low estimate.

Take Christianity as an example, look at the vast numbers of fundamentalist Christians in the world, in America alone. Some of them have quite extreme views. Have you ever heard of their ideas on womens' role in the world and what they call the Titus II woman? There are many American Christians home-schooling their daughters with no intention of letting them attend university or have any further education and indeed not even allowing them to work. Their only goal is marriage and having as many children as possible. Now that's in the 'sophisticated' West and it's a fairly archaic attitude for this part of the world. So now imagine the attitudes which exist in certain sections of a much more conservative society which the Muslim world certainly is.

@Atch: if you read Johnny and consorts on a regular basis (I know I should not ;)), you'll see that they put everybody in the same basket. You have taught a few of them and I have lived among them for close to ... 40 years ;) and never any problem but never mind.

As to the socalled 1%, I'm talking about terrorists and potential terrorists. The Algerian government for instance claims that there are 0.03% of them in Algeria. Never mind, if they are 0.03%, 1% or even 10%, there are too many of them and they need to be eradicated by ALL means.

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Muslim majority countries in general have very low social capital due to low levels of education and very low levels of social trust. Arab countries generally score very low in international test scores and are mostly plagued by low literacy due to insane language policy (Modern Standard Arabic is official but no one speaks it very willingly and it is dead weight anchor against raising literacy and education).

I've read that Greece publishes more translated works in one year than the entire Arab world put together (and the gap is not to be found in original writing in Arabic either). There's some pirate publishing but still Arab countries remain mostly low literacy and bibliophobic.

I would personally say the number of potential terrorists is quite high, much higher than a fraction of one percent. Like I say if you look at the number of fundamentalist Christians in the world who are absolutely intolerant of anyone with different views and apply that same logic to Islam, the figure would be nearer 15-20%. (Not all evangelicals are bigoted and intolerant, there are some who call themselves progressive or non-conservative and disassociate themselves from those very right wing political views. For them it's about their personal relationship with Christ or whatever). But as you say any number is too high.

@Atch: when I say around 1%, I'm talking about those who really ARE and who really ACT. The rest is pure speculation .... One can be a religious nut (in all religions) without using violence against others only because they are different. Futhermore, in our democracies (such as France and Belgium because most concerned countries in last week's attacks), people are not arrested because they "might be" but because they "have done" ;)

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What DO they speak willingly -- their local dialect?

Yeah. They pay enormous lip service to the standard and talk about how great it is and how everybody should give up their local dialects... and continue to use the various colloquial forms (that differ from each other about as much Polish Czech and Russian do.

One problem is that research shows that reading habits are fixed very early and by the time most Arabs are literate enough to actually read Standard Arabic they're already accustomed to not reading.

But that's just one problem on top of the low social trust and superstition (strong religious belief tends to correspond with strong belief in other supernatural things).

I'd put links but don't want to get squabbled at by the moderators, but google witchcraft and saudi or evil eye.... People who live in fear of their neighbors casting spells on them do not create much in the way of liveable societies (and there's no real evidence that they stop believing in them once they arrive in Europe).