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Trump admits America has blood on it's hands.


NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #1

US President in defence of Putin over claims that he is a murderer tells truth about America not being any different.

Finally President that wasn't brainwashed and blinded by American propaganda (see Polonius).

thesun.co.uk/news/2788834/donald-trump-defends-vladimir-putin-over-claims-russian-president-murders-his-enemies-with-shocking-suggestion-us-does-the-same

Good days
Crow
6 Feb 2017  #2

Finally some honest USA president. Not a hypocrite

I personally on this forum expect apology from many members of forum who molested me for years, when I pointed out that official USA lie and have double standards and how media such a CNN represent false media which spread propaganda of just some financial circles.
Atch
6 Feb 2017  #3

Not sure what this thread has to do with Poland. The section USA/Canada is supposed to be for Polish matters that relate to the USA and Canada, not for general news items related to the North American continent. There seems to be an awful lot about Donald Trump on this forum at the moment.
NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #4

@Atch
It is very relevant. Many Poles don't trust America and maybe with Trump things will start to change.

If you aren't interested in the topic you are free to ignore it.

Bye.

Edit: Looking at your warnings you seem to be the least one to decide what is and what isn't on topic.
johnny reb
6 Feb 2017  #5

There seems to be an awful lot about Donald Trump on this forum at the moment.

Plus one Atch
What does this thread have to do with Poland ?
Nothing is the correct answer.
It is just another trolling thread to post personal opinions of irrelevancy.
rozumiemnic
6 Feb 2017  #6

totally agree. This has nothing to do with this forum.
Plus the apostrophe in 'it's' is really annoying me, sorry to be pedantic.
I wouldn't normally care.
NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #7

@johnny reb
Since USA is a global power its internal affairs are very important to every country in the world including Poland. So you are wrong Johnny. Somehow I can't imagine you talking about irrelevancy if the thread was about Putin confessing he's country is murderers.

It must hurt you really bad that your country isn't the righteous among righteous and is indeed responsible for many many more deaths of innocent people than great majority of countries on Earth.

I'm not sorry for you.
Harry
6 Feb 2017  #8

US President in defence of Putin over claims that he is a murderer tells truth about America not being any different.

Shall we play a game of naming opponents of the previous US president and of the current Russian president who were poisoned by government staff? I'll start: Alexander Litvinenko. Your turn.

Isn't it strange that your post contains multiple errors that one would not expect from a native speaker of Polish but which are absolutely classic for native speakers of Russian.
NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #9

Shall we play a game of naming opponents of the previous US president and of the current Russian president who were poisoned by government staff? I'll start: Alexander Litvinenko

How is this relevant to Trump admitting USA murdered innocents? Is it ok for USA to murder people BECAUSE Russians do that too?

Like I said. I ain't Russian. I dislike that country almost as much as I dislike USA but since Kacaps are Slavs too we have something in common with them. On the other side we have nothing in common with Muricans.
NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #10

Isn't it strange that your post contains multiple errors that one would not expect from a native speaker of Polish but which are absolutely classic for native speakers of Russian.

You know nothing about both of these languages so it's impossible for you to point which errors are common to which language lol
NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #11

Finally some honest USA president. Not a hypocrite,

I know what you feel. It's just American way to act like World Saviours and Freedom Fighters denying all evil deeds they're obviously guilty of.

With Trump we actually may be to witness big changes in their mentality and view of the world.
johnny reb
6 Feb 2017  #12

So you are wrong Johnny.

Really ?
Wanna bet this thread will go to the back page soon ?

your country isn't the righteous among righteous and is indeed responsible for many many more deaths of innocent people

Who is disagreeing with you numb nuts.
THE MANY CLINTON BODY BAGS. . .
This is important for those who are just now becoming aware and concerned about our federal government and those who have been running it. Some of us remember clearly.

copy/paste deleted
nothanks
6 Feb 2017  #13

Supposedly they found a M.A.P.A. hat in Lewandowski's locker. More info as it streams in.
NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #14

@johnny reb
Thank You Johnny.

Now you won't disagree with me if I'll say that many "Clinton Body Bags" have accounts here on PF? There are Poles who think like that too and there are Poles that hate USA simply because USA govt never had courage to admit to crimes. That way threads like this one are relevant to Polish situation on global scene. Many Poles after Trump's speech shook their heads in shock thinking "Well maybe Trump's America won't be that bad at all".

It requires balls and honour to admit to stuff like that and Poles respect people who have both.
Atch
6 Feb 2017  #15

Many Poles don't trust America.

Actually I would say the opposite is equally true. Poles are certainly attracted by many aspects of American culture and plenty of them are happy to buy American products, watch American movies, listen to American music, eat at MacDonalds, drink coffee in Starbucks, holiday in America and work for American companies with offices in Poland.

Looking at your warnings you seem to be the least one to decide what is and what isn't on topic.

Oh I'm perfectly capable of deciding that but it doesn't mean I have to adhere to it. My soul is my own, unlike yours which you had to hand in at the Kremlin Trolling Academy - by the way when do you graduate? There are two major differences between us. Firstly I don't start irrelevant threads for the purpose of pursuing some weird agenda (actually in fairness it's probably your homework assignment from the Dean of Trolling) and secondly when I go off-topic I acknowledge that I've done so and don't try to make up flimsy excuses.
nothanks
6 Feb 2017  #16

Poles love the capitalistic freedom until their grandchild ends up mixed
NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #17

Actually I would say the opposite is equally true. Poles are certainly attracted by many aspects of American culture ...

Firstly you are just guessing. You're not Polish. You don't think Polish. You don't even know Polish.

Secondly. American movies, music, McDonald's etc. are popular in Poland. That's true but ask any Pole what they really like it for and you'll learn it just for entertainment. You will learn that most Poles think about those being shallow, empty and having no real value.
nothanks
6 Feb 2017  #18

Secondly. American movies, music, McDonald's etc. are popular in Poland

Increasingly less. Rap was quite popular 10-15 years ago. Decline since. There was a cultural revival in the past 8 years - sporting Polish heritage is cool again......

For example. There was an American film #1 all over Western and even Asian markets but NOT in Poland. Instead it was a Polish film
NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #19

For example. There was an American film #1 all over Western and even Asian markets but NOT in Poland

Exactly and it's for the reasons I've pointed out in my previous post. I really love to see a Polish song or movie topping charts here.
Crow
6 Feb 2017  #20

Not sure what this thread has to do with Poland.

A lot of

Poland is part of NATO. NATO is led by USA.
Poland is member of EU. EU is influenced by USA.
Poland is influenced by USA.
Poles depend on desire of USA and not on desires of Poland.
nothanks
6 Feb 2017  #21

Exactly and it's for the reasons I pointed out in my previous post. I really love to see a Polish song topping charts here.

What's wrong with discoteca? Music is a losing battle. We just need to focus on being computer literate. Film and literature will remain quality
nothanks
6 Feb 2017  #22

Poles depend on desire of USA and not on desires of Poland.

Looking unlikely in our lifetime. Slavic nations still in exist mode, not combine and manipulate. Media is a key piece but ultimately $$$ talks
Atch
6 Feb 2017  #23

ou are just guessing

Not in the least. Everything I said can be checked from numerous reputable statisticsal sources if you want to go the trouble of doing some scholarly research, but of course you don't because you have no interest in the truth. I must say I am puzzled by people such as yourself, who clearly have some intelligence but no genuine intellectual curiosity about anything.

You don't think Polish.

Naturally I don't but I do know how Poles think, or rather how different groups of Poles think.

You don't even know Polish.

Do you mean Polish people or the Polish language? I certainly don't know the Polish language at all well which is a disadvantage as I can't fully get a handle on the Polish media etc but I know a lot of Polish people of different ages and social classes.
nothanks
6 Feb 2017  #24

Naturally I don't but I do know how Poles think, or rather how different groups of Poles think.

My brother is being harsh. Think/put Polish 1st and you are with us.
NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #25

Everything I said can be checked from numerous reputable statisticsal sources if you want to go the trouble of doing some scholarly research

Surveys can be easily manipulated just like yourself. I get my information from Poles by talking with them in Poland, in person and in Polish.

Naturally I don't but I do know how Poles think, or rather how different groups of Poles think.

No. You don't and you never will.

I certainly don't know the Polish language at all well which is a disadvantage as I can't fully get a handle on the Polish media

Yup. That's what I said. You are UNABLE to know what/how the Polish think.
mobile.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/magazine/29language-t.html
nothanks
6 Feb 2017  #26

Yup. That's what I said. You are UNABLE to know what/how the Polish think.

Interesting
Atch
6 Feb 2017  #27

Surveys can be easily manipulated

Now you see, that's the common excuse trotted out by Friends of the Kremlin (and they should certainly know, seeing how good the old Rooskies are at obfuscating the truth). First of all you look at the source of the survey, who took it, what's their background and history, what was the methodology used etc. You then cross reference it with other surveys from other reputable sources and see if the general picture tallies. Now, as to other statistics, figures regarding trade and industry for example, they would all have to be faked on a massive scale by numerous government departments and by governments in other countries. Now I know the Rooskies are quite happy to waste their lifetimes on elaborate deceptions not only of the world, but of each other. However Poland is a bit saner than that.

I get my information from Poles by talking with them in Poland, in person

Ditto.

You don't

Oh I do.
Atch
6 Feb 2017  #28

Took the time to read the article linked. A load of waffle, which sums up in the final paragraph as:

'The habits of mind that our culture has instilled in us from infancy shape our orientation to the world and our emotional responses to the objects we encounter'.

Wow! What a revelation.

Incidentally if one takes from that article the rather different interpretation which you place on it, then by the same token, you, not being a native English speaker, would not be able to fully comprehend how an English speaker thinks and therefore are in no position to comment on America.
Atch
6 Feb 2017  #29

And now I present for your delectation, the following information from the Pew Global Research Centre. Firstly here's their methodology and you'll be relieved to see that they conduct their surveys in Poland face to face po Polsku, so no chance of cultural misunderstandings:

pewglobal.org/international-survey-methodology
Views on America, largely positive, 74% of those surveyed having a positive view of America:

pewglobal.org/2016/06/28/americas-international-image

As you can see younger Poles are more likely to have a high opinion of America, senior citizens considerably less so.
NoToForeigners
6 Feb 2017  #30

@Atch
You link surveys lol?

Tell me what surveys said before Brexit referendum. Or before Trump's election. Or before PiS coming into power in Poland. Or the ones about Scotland leaving UK. Tell me what would a survey done on those 250 thousand Poles marching on Independence Day say.

Please tell me.

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