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Trump admits America has blood on it's hands.



Lyzko
6 Feb 2017  #41

Trump's staff are right, even if the Donald Himself is loathe to admit it:-)
Marsupial
6 Feb 2017  #42

Most countries have blood on their hands. America both north and south is built on ethic cleansing of pre existing populations. Same here where i am, same just about everywhere in the new world and the old in a different way.
Lyzko
6 Feb 2017  #43

Paul Krugman in the end believes that with the rise of Trump to the White House, the US actually is NO BETTER than any other nation in history, and therefore, should quit patting herself on the back as some mythical bastion of freedom and do little reality check:-)
Marsupial
6 Feb 2017  #44

Well i am not sure how many people obama and hellary killed overseas but pretty sure it's more than 10. So will trump.
Lyzko
6 Feb 2017  #45

Innocent loss of life through bureaucratic thoughtlessness is not the same thing as with malice of forethought committing individuals to be put in harms way, solely for the purposes of personal gain or aggrandizement:-)
Crow
6 Feb 2017  #46

Just saying..............

what you said is that Poles prefer USA over Poland. You moron
johnny reb
7 Feb 2017  #47

you said is that Poles prefer USA over Poland.

No, I do believe that is what YOU said my Russian friend back in post #20 of this thread.
Let me quote it for you.

Poles depend on desire of USA and not on desires of Poland.

Now who is the moron ?
Crow
7 Feb 2017  #48

I said ``depend`` not prefer, as you claim. And I am right. Poles do depend on USA desires, rather then on Poland`s. USA interests are imposed on Poland and Poles. In that ``love`` USA is absolute commander.

Anyway, on that you said: ``Poland desires the U.S.A.``
Atch
7 Feb 2017  #49

I gave you my source.

That doesn't count I'm afraid. The following quote from you is presented as a statement of fact, not an opinion.

Many Poles don't trust America

When you state something as an opinion you are free to say anything you like but when you make a factual statement you have to support it with factual evidence. If it were an opinion, you would say 'I believe/in my opinion/from my observations, many Poles don't trust America' and that would be acceptable.

Now take note of my response to your original statement:

I would say the opposite is equally true.

I qualified my statement with 'I would say'. This makes it an opinion and not a fact. If I merely said 'the opposite is equally true' then that would be a statement of fact and I would have to back it up with evidence, which I did in any case because what I stated as an opinion, is in fact true, whereas what you stated is not.

They're getting trained to work on the new factory line that's going to be set up in the USA

Americans don't come to Poland to be trained in factory work. There is no technology available in Poland that Americans dont have in their own country and Polish factories rarely set up business in the USA.

One of our guys asked out loud "Who are those refugees?"

That didn't happen for two reasons. Firstly because there were no Americans and secondly because Poles are not ignorant yobs and there are very few twelve year old Polish boys working in Polish factories.

Poles think that Americans are dumb, undereducated and usually obese which makes them look and act funny.

Making statements of fact again.................No they don't, but if you bothered to read my link, you would find that a significant number of Poles surveyed believe that American people are more likely to be greedy, arrogant and violent whilst at the same time view them as hard working, optimistic and tolerant. So you see, life is not that simple. By the way, what you should have said is 'the other boys in my class think that Americans are...........'

Interestingly the survey found that 57% of Americans themselves agreed that about the greed aspect. How honest of them.
johnny reb
7 Feb 2017  #50

I do like to address people by name, especially when I'm reprimanding them -

What happened in the above post then ?
Did ya firgit or did it dawn on you that you were not reprimanding your 4 & 5 year old students.

How honest of them.

No Atch, the 57% were the dishonest ones.
In the same survey it said that nearly 100% of the people of Ireland have superiority complexes.
Atch
7 Feb 2017  #51

reprimanding your 4 & 5 year old students

Ah well now I've also taught older ones. You try shepherding 27 eleven year old girls up and down three flights of stone stairs four times a day. I've taught adults too. I trained Montessori teachers you know, for two years. Basically I treat people as they merit it. If you behave like a reasonable human being I'll treat you accordingly and if you behave like an idiot, ditto but always tempered with justice and mercy. Can't say fairer than that.

superiority complexes

Now, you have to remember that on this forum I'm 'in character' to a certain degree. I'm not quite as unbearable in real life. Believe it or not I often keep my mouth shut when I have a different opinion or express my contrary views in much milder terms and I don't always need to display the fact that I know more about x, y or z than everyone else in the room. And depending on the company, I don't always know more. But even in real life, if somebody carried on the way Nottykins does, then yes, I would slap him down firmly into the place where he belongs. The child needs to learn Johnny and we have a moral duty to assist him :))
NoToForeigners
7 Feb 2017  #52

That didn't happen for two reasons. Firstly because there were no Americans and secondly because Poles are not ignorant yobs and there are very few twelve year old Polish boys working in Polish factories.

It did happen regardless if you believe in that or not.

Making statements of fact again

You do yes. Go back to my first post about what we Poles think and read it again. I never said all Poles or even most of them think that. I said MANY and that's a fact.
Atch
7 Feb 2017  #53

It didn't happen. You're telling fibs and you're too young and inexperienced to realise how obvious your porkies are. You claim to be living in Zielona Góra which is a fairly small place with no significant industry. In fact the wider Lubuskie region is doing its best to attract foreign investment and nobody there is in a position to be setting up factories in the USA. The only item of any significance manufactured in Zielona Góra is vodka and whilst North America is a big market for it, there's no way they are setting up a distillery there.

MANY

The term many means 'a large number of' and that's not true. A small number would be truer. It's certainly a minority of Poles who don't 'trust' America, whatever that may mean. The truth is that when push comes to shove, if Vlad and his comrades came charging over the border, Polish people would be happy to have any assistance available from any quarter to turn him back.
NoToForeigners
7 Feb 2017  #54

In fact the wider Lubuskie region is doing its best to attract foreign investment and nobody there is in a position to be setting up factories in the USA.

Oh really? I am here right now and guess what, those Yanks are here too.

A small number would be truer. It's certainly a minority of Poles who don't 'trust' America

Not true again. Even if it is 26% out of almost 40 million Poles according to the poll you linked (which I am certain that it isn't accurate) it makes it almost 10 MILLION people which is very MANY.
Ziemowit
7 Feb 2017  #55

It didn't happen.

nobody there is in a position to be setting up factories in the USA.

NTF's claim about a factory in the USA being set up by a Polish company has been intriguing for me, too. The claim could be easily verified, should NTF give any names suporting that claim. But he only says:

It did happen regardless if you believe in that or not.

Atch
7 Feb 2017  #56

the poll you linked

I did not link to a poll. I linked to a survey which is quite different. It encompasses a range of questions regarding America and none of those questions relates to 'trust'. They do however relate to overall Polish perceptions of America. Those perceptions vary according to the question being asked which is why one can have wide variations which apparently contradict each other. For example almost 40% considered Americans to be greedy (a negative attribute), but 80% of the same group surveyed perceived Americans as hard working (a positive attribute). One can hold mixed views on a group of people.

26% out of almost 40 million Poles

Firstly I said the fact that 74% had an overall positive view of America doesn't equal 26% negative because there are some respondents who fell somewhere in the middle. The actual figure for those with an overall unfavourable view of America was 14%.

Secondly, it's not 40 million because not every Pole is an adult and for the purposes of surveys only those aged 18 or over are counted.

Thirdly and most importantly, young and middle aged Poles are overwhelmingly positive in their views on America with 83% of 18-35 year olds and 77% of 35 to 49 year olds basically liking America.

I am here right now and guess what, those Yanks are here too

Yes, in your imaginary world somewhere south of the Twilight Zone.
NoToForeigners
7 Feb 2017  #57

Yes, in your imaginary world somewhere south of the Twilight Zone.

Company's headquarters is in Denmark. They already own factory in the US. They are implementing the newest technology line there so they send people here to get trained since such line is operating here for more than 1 year already.
Atch
7 Feb 2017  #58

That's a bit nearer the mark. A Danish owned company. That's a possiblity.

One of our guys asked out loud "Who are those refugees?". Hahahaha It was hilarious.

No it's not hilarious. It's positively cringe-inducing. if such a thing occurred it was rude and ignorant and utterly the antithesis of what it means to be Polish. Have you so little respect for Poland and so little personal dignity as to make an exhibition of yourselves like that in front of strangers from a foreign country?
NoToForeigners
7 Feb 2017  #59

@Atch
It was just a banter. To be happy in life one has to have distance to everything including him/herself. I often laugh at jokes about Poles and see no reason to be politically correct about other nations.

utterly the antithesis of what it means to be Polish.

You should already know that Poles aren't exceedingly PC and it's who we are not it's antithesis.
Atch
7 Feb 2017  #60

Poles are not PC but they're generally courteous and welcoming to visitors. Polish people are not that friendly to 'strangers' but they are pleasant to 'visitors'. If they know who you are, you're introduced to them or you're vouched for in some way, they can be a bit shy and stiff at first, but they're generally nice. They don't make a habit of laughing at people and having private jokes about them. Poles are basically well mannered people.

I'm not PC either let me tell you. I do a mind blowing impression of a Nigerian guy 'ah am wantin' to deevoss ma wife in Lagos and marry ma Polish girlfriend.' - pay attention now, getting the emphasis on the correct syllable is very important when you're doing the Nigerian accent - but there's a time and a place.

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