75 Years of Israel and the War

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"I major in queer post colonial astrology"

I almost choked on my coffee.


What actions in particular? What precipitated those condemnable actions?

Israel hasn't always been angels, but I find people say things about the actions of Israel without understanding why they were done in the first place.

at this point Germans have been reduced as a nation and are just serving as lapdogs. biggest mistake Russia ever made was allowing reunification.

6 Nov, 2023

Germans must protect the Jews - Scholz

Citizens should show "civic courage" by standing up to anti-Semitism, the chancellor has said



Vigil in front of a synagogue in Berlin, Germany, Oct. 13, 2023. © AP Photo / Markus Schreiber

German citizens must ensure the protection of Jews living in the country from the wave of anti-Semitic attacks sparked by the Israel-Hamas war, Chancellor Olaf Scholz has said.

"Anyone who is attacking Jews in Germany is attacking all of us. That's why we should all stand up for the protection of Jews in Germany. It's about civic courage," Scholz told the Mannheimer Morgen newspaper over the weekend.

Scholz added that Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck "formulated the position of the entire federal government very well in his video on social media."

In a ten-minute address published on Wednesday, Habeck said that "too few" German Muslims have taken a stand in defense of Jews at home and against the actions of the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which killed around 1,400 people, mostly civilians, during its October 7 incursion into Israel.

Habeck called on the Muslim community to distance itself from the manifestations of anti-Semitism which have increased dramatically following the recent outbreak of violence in the Middle East.

Speaking to Mannheimer Morgen, Scholz said Berlin is working with Israel and "using all contacts in the region to facilitate the unconditional release of all hostages" held by Hamas.

This week, Interior Minister Nancy Faeser announced a ban on the activities of Hamas, which is listed as a terrorist organization in Germany.

rt.com/news/586648-scholz-germans-protect-jews/

Germany: Government Cracks Down on Palestine Appreciators

dailystormer.in/germany-government-cracks-down-on-palestine-appreciators/

Read Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International reports for a start.

Another Civics 101 scholar... Where is my barf bag...

When your life is threatened and you are holding a very big gun you don't have to read any fvcking reports written by a couple of woke broads fresh out of law school.

This is very true.

I find those groups part of the problem. They operate from a pie-in-the-sky humanistic naivete that discounts important realities-realities that are often grim and existential. I trusted them in my teens and early-20's, I don't anymore.

I would cast a much wider net for information, and ask why.

As do I. There is a consensus amongst all those who have knowledge and experience of that region from a comparatively objective stance, that Israel has behaved in a fundamentally unjust manner for decades. For example let's look at Medecins Sans Frontieres. They are real human beings on the ground in the region, literally getting their hands dirty and bloodied. Will you accept their word?

"The 14-year Israeli blockade on Gaza means that the health system here lacks many of the things it needs to treat people even during normal times," says Dr Thurtle. "Yet every few years it is called on to deal with a huge influx of wounded: the 11,000 injured during the 2014 war; the more than 7,000 shot during protests in 2018 and 2019; and now the already hundreds injured in bombings and dozens killed since Monday."

Quote is from 2021.

You talk about grim and existential realities. I think that's the very stock and trade of the orgainisations you decry.

Colonialism facililated by ethnic cleansing and inspired by racism. Zionism is a foul ideology based on racial superiority.

The so called birth of israel manifested its self on the same table that saw these enlightened people cut babies from pregnant women and shoot old men and infants in the head so as to terrorise the people who had been living there for generations.

"The 14-year Israeli blockade on Gaza means that the health system here lacks many of the things it needs to treat people even during normal times," says Dr Thurtle.

Well, I call that a lie!

...Since the beginning of the 1980s, German development cooperation has pledged over EUR 1.2 billion for bilateral projects in Palestine. In addition, there is the German share in the development programs of the EU , the United Nations and the World Bank as well as commitments to projects with the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees.... ( UNRWA ).

auswaertiges-amt.de/de/service/laender/palaestinensischegebiete-node/deutsche-hilfe-palaestina/203632


de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1416977/umfrage/deutsche-hilfszahlungen-an-palaestinensische-gebiete/

It's definitely not some israeli blockade which keeps the health system from functioning! The money flow into Gaza and Westbank has been massive....since many years now!

Maybe the arabs should ask Hamas what they did with all that money....(and Germany should stop paying them immediately!)

@Atch

I'll accept it, but let's ask ourselves why the health care system is lacking. Is it only because of the blockade, does imposed fear and intimidation by non-Israelis contribute to the problem? Why is there a blockade in the first place? How many Gazans are treated in Israeli hospitals? How much of the aid given to Gaza is allocated to hospitals and medical care, as opposed to things such as underground tunnels? Talking about the wounded that show up every now-and-again, what brought about the circumstances that put the wounded in harms way? Has the good doctor and other Palestinians in Gaza questioned why the terrorist group they elected decided to house their HQ and offices within hospital (among other humanely sensitive buildings) complexes?

Who is this consensus you speak of? Do they have any biases that may create important blind spots?

Edited: Or, what BB said.

@Barney

OK, we get it. You don't like the Hebrews and you seem to be a neo-Marxist. Aren't you the guy who said you know a lot about America and called the practice of tipping a tax?

@Bratwurst Boy
Ah NAZI Boy is back with his sweeping statements...Palestinians blockade themselves is not a good argument.


Because Israel promoted HAMAS instead of negotiating in good faith with the PA

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I dislike Zionists and believe in a one state solution where all are treated equally.

The effective restaurant tax absolves the cheap owners from paying a living wage

@Barney

It's much much much better than the colonialism argument.

It was the PA who decided to drag their feet and not implement the Oslo thing in good faith. Arafat was constantly throwing up roadblocks. If I'm not mistaken Israel was willing to give up Goshen and even parts of Jerusalem and Yasser said no.

The international community has sent billions of dollars in aid to the Gaza Strip to provide relief to the more than 2 million Palestinians living there. From 2014 to 2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza, including $600 million in 2020 alone.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians

They could have a nice, well off country by now....but noooooo they prefer to blame and kill Jews!

Dumb and dumber!


...preferably with a Hamas government?

Do you know how many Jews live in arab countries as equals?

I'm nat a Marxist I'm a centerist who thinks that all people are equal and a fair days work deserves a fair days wage that a man/woman can live on.

I deeply dislike sweeping statements about people which are designed to dehumanise.

Quoting:

Yasser Arafat diverted nearly $1 billion in public funds to insure his political survival, but a lot more is unaccounted for.

They are all thieves. Dumb and dumber are the guilt-ridden whites at the top and the bootlicking, tax-paying morons like those we have here.

Who promoted HAMAS and undermined the PA...The Israeli government.

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@Novichok
Wouldnt point to corruption in Israel or Palestine at the moment. Bibi has used the conflict to extract gifts and favours to stay in power totally corrupting the Israeli body politic.

....well, that had come to an end now, I guess!

Still doesn't explain how you imagine this country that Jews and Arabs will share equally....

@Barney

Fair enough.

Who is making sweeping statements that dehumanize?

Do the anti-Zionists in Palestine ever make such statements?

What evidence do you have that shows your one state solution where everyone gets along will actually work? How deep is your knowledge of that region, because what I know about it (I'm no expert) is that your solution isn't plausible.

@Bratwurst Boy
I'm neither neutral nor an international diplomat.

I just have an opinion that the two state solution is dead and has been for a number of years. The Palestinians are going nowhere and the US's client state isnt either. so a one state solution it has to be.

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Well the alternative has been shown to be a roaring success.

Haha...haven't you hear? It's the other way around, the US is Israel's client state.

....but how could that look like? You must have an idea...otherwise you wouldn't be so convinced, right?

@AntV
You know as well as I do that if the US wants something to happen there they can make it happen.

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@Bratwurst Boy
I know what doesnt work

....I wish the US would want to destroy the Mullahs in Teheran....we would have peace in that region immediately!

@Bratwurst Boy
Again the US has a lot of blame associated with the rise of those particular nutters.

This is true.

People forget that it was Israel who proposed the two-state option and that it was so-called palestine who said no.

When I lived in London I knew a lot of Jews. I actually worked in a Jewish company ie. founded and managed by Jews and largely staffed by Jews. For the most part they were great guys. They were Londoners though. The arrogant ones were Israeli and South African. Makes sense doesn't it? Apartheid is their thing.


Like most Irish people. We don't like extremism.


I get the impression that you think you're addressing an American high school student. I'm an Irish adult. We are very well informed about the history of that region and have a long record of supporting the Palestinian cause. This is not a case of some lefty wokeism, jumping unthinkingly on the bandwagon of the latest cause.

Maybe a month ago, but I'm not so sure right now. Israel doesn't appear to be in the mood to follow every and any type of order regardless of where it comes from.

They are wary right now. Remember, it has been the two recent democrat administrations who handed Iran an Iranian-favored deal that came with pallets of cash.

The US is supremely consistent in Ukraine and Israel. Only the naive, by-the-book Civics 101 suckers see hypocrisy...
Here we go so pay attention...

The US is in business of ripping off US taxpayers - current and future - via a single-party ruling mob the naive voters "elect" every four years.

Ukraine and Israel are merely the oppos that are better than outright fraud and theft like those $1500 hammers and toilets. And those multi-million-dollar tanks we don't need.

Seriously?

Israel is a multicultural democracy....has been since inception! Calling that Apartheid is a hint where your support for the "palestinian cause" stems from!

...The Arab population in 2023 was estimated at 2,065,000, representing 21% of the country's population. According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics (May 2003), Muslims, including Bedouins, make up 82% of the entire Arab population in Israel, along with around 9% Druze, and 9% Christians....

academic.oup.com/book/5053/chapter-abstract/147600335?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Under Israeli law, Arab residents of East Jerusalem and Druze residents of the Golan Heights (both Israeli-occupied territories) have the right to apply for Israeli citizenship, are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights;

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

Wanna compare these numbers with Jews or Christians living in muslim countries? How many Jews would be left alive once the your Palestinians would take over?