75 Years of Israel and the War

Israeli animals have to stop killing civilians. Simple.

@Bratwurst Boy
You should remember that due to lack of interest or feelings of close relations, all or most atrocities committed on Poles (but, also on Czechs, Gypsies etc) are not much mentioned or understood in the west but, also in Germany.

Most young Germans are quite apathetic towards holocaust, now how's their view on west Slavic casualties? Minimal

Most will more likely know of and have feelings of victimhood towards those air raids, forced displacements and relocations and family members who died from imprisonment in the Soviet Union etc.

Also blaming Poland for shifts of Germany's borders easterwards and treatment of Germans post 1944. As if no German did anything to Poles or Slavs in general, expectations however were quite different from German soldiers during ww2 cause they knew of the atrocities and the extreme circumstances on the eastern front.

Civilians were rather uninformed about it

Of course, if these hundreds of thousands of bombs had been dropped on military targets and not on cities, the German army could have been destroyed already in 1944, which could have led to the liberation of Poland by the Western Allies. Maybe Poland would have avoided the Warsaw Uprising which was Poland's Gaza.

Well....how do you destroy military targets build directly in, beside and under a....say.....hospital?

Do you truly believe the Nazis would had been destroyed without the full occupation of Germany? With all the civilian victims that included?

Westwards*

The occupation was necessary, but maybe Poland would have been liberated by the Americans. Unfortunately, I don't know what Poland's western border would be like then.

....and with that all the german civilian victims of this war!

But that doesn't put the Allies on the same par as the Nazis. Without the crimes of the Nazis against the civilians of their neighbours they wouldn't had needed to die, that's the point here!

And all people trying to sell it that way are just dishonest and they know it, especially when they look back to their own history!

No, I explained that civilians could have been spared by bombing military targets and not cities of no military importance like Dresden.

....and I asked if you put the Allies on par with the Nazis because of that!

Of course, if you do that would explain why you judge Israel for defending itself in Gaza....but it wouldn't make it more true still.

@Bratwurst Boy
Do you even listen to news in a language other than Hebrew? For example, I've been watching the BBC all morning and I'm just repeating what I heard.

Hebrew? I wish....mostly it's german media plus some internationals (in English).

...maybe you should try some other media too, not only the BBC?

nournews.ir/En/News/153433/Gaza%27s-war-and-the-latest-scandal-of-the-first-in-line-claimant-of-media-neutrality!

the-media-leader.com/raymond-snoddy-can-the-scandal-hit-bbc-endure-another-15-months/

telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/19/bbc-report-mistake-ahli-arab-hospital-israel-hamas-war/

So what? How do you have a war without killing children?
Even the super smart Americans with super smart bombs didn't know how to do it in Iraq.
Any ideas?

Children are some of the most heartless criminals. Adults don't torture animals. Little boys do as they lack conscience and the ability to feel empathy.

Sweet German boys who were 8 years old in 1939 were happily killing Americans in 1945 when they were 14-year-old boys with rifles. The same in Iraq.

It takes a moron to say this:

America's strongest condemnation of Israel's war in Gaza yet as Blinken declares 'far too many Palestinians have been killed'...

If the current number is "far too many", was there a number that was just right? What an a-hole...

I've got Sky News on and they are reporting the march and the counter-march today very carefully and well.

The point is proportionally.

And, let's not forget that your everyday German was accused of culpability for allowing Nazi aggression and atrocities.

Why do we not assign the same culpability to Gazans for voting in and supporting Hamas, who has never hidden its mission, y'know, the from the river to the sea mission.


How do you suggest Israel be proportional when its enemy shields itself in hospitals, schools, and hundreds of miles if underground tunnels?


Good question. Is it just me or does Blinken look like this is all just too much for him to handle. The guy looks like a deer in the headlights half the time.

Many do, however it's telling that people in Gaza are beginning to turn against Hamas who they (rightly) blame for the current situation.


I'd say they are being proportional and are certainly observing the rules of armed conflict.

I hope that is indeed the case. If it is, there is a chance for peace and stability there-that's if Israel finishes the job.

I know what disproportionate looks like

@Barney

What about proportion? You are calling for proportion, what are does it look like?

Pie in the sky wishes usually don't translate on the ground of reality. So, again, what dies proportion look like for Israel to defeat Hamas?

It look as if that is their goal and news reports today suggest that they are getting closer to achieving that.

Yeah....till today.....if it fits the argumentation....


....maybe Hamas is losing its grip on these people and more just dare to speak out?

For them israeli occupation, and later maybe some international overseeing, would be a blessing!

There is an old german saying from our grandparents: "Lieber ein Ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne Ende!" (Better an end with horror than a horror without end)

I could fit for Gaza too....

@Bratwurst Boy

Yep, it's a schizophrenic world.

Proportional is pure crap when the other guy wants you dead. If he has a knife and you have a howitzer, fire your howitzer and be done.

We were proportional in Vietnam and we lost. We were disproportional in Japan in 1945 and Japan is still grateful for it. The bastards won't admit it but that's another matter.

@Novichok

It's not crap. If you get hit with a single howitzer, you don't nuke. The big question I'd like to hear from these folks crying for proportionality from Israel is exactly what they mean by that. Hamas' idea is to eradicate Israel; what is proportionality for that?

The US did exactly that in August 1945 when Japan was on its knees. For the record, I like both - H and N - and wish the US had more of them earlier.


Eradicate Hamas. So simple even my cat knows the answer.

I hope Israel will not go soft and finish the job.

I think you are oversimplifying with that analogy. There was no indication that Japan was going to surrender and there was a calculus involved in the number of American and ally soldiers and Japanese lives would be lost if allies invaded Japan. So, one could argue there was a proportional element to dropping the nukes on Japan.


I hope they root that evil out, as well. Might even be all in for eradicating Hezbollah. Of course, that would really really p!ss off Iran.

Agreed 100%.
I'm all for pissing off Iran....

And all Biden does is try to appease them. Our military bases have been attacked over 40 times and all he does is bomb 2 empty warehouses. Trump took out Solemini!

Our enemies are embolden by the feckless leftist Biden.