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75 Years of Israel and the War



Novichok
12 Nov 2023  #1111

if allies invaded Japan.

They didn't have to invade Japan.

Deprived of imports Japan would surrender eventually. PH was about Japan being pis*ed off at the US for interfering with their plundering of other Asian countries.

Even if they didn't surrender, Japan was no longer a threat to the US. Selective conventional bombing would be enough to strip them of any ability to harm the US for decades.

When the US nuked H and N, there was nothing there of any military value. It was terrorism - pure and simple. And well deserved...so it's clear where I stand.

Mr Grunwald
12 Nov 2023  #1112

@Novichok
Japan was invaded (Iwo Jima) was considered Japanese soil (therefore holy and sacred to them)

Check out the bloodbath of that battle, then you can begin to understand why invasion of main Japanese islands wasn't wished for.

Novichok
12 Nov 2023  #1113

Mr. G, I wish I knew what you are trying to say.
What happened to simple declarative sentences...

Mr Grunwald
12 Nov 2023  #1114

@Novichok
Ill try to make it easier for you:

You not understand, it is complicated. Please don't share anything with me or us. It is 90% below anybody's dignity to read. You misunderstand most things and side with evil to fight other evil and try to paint it as a holy fight which is total BS for any educated&inteligent person on this forum regardless of sides or relations or background or knowledge level of English

AntV
12 Nov 2023  #1115

@Novichok

I believe your proposal would have been untenable and most probably would have drawn out the conflict. But, I get what you're saying. Continuing to question the morality of dropping nukes in H and N is valid, IMO.

In regards to the current Israel-Paleatinian conflict, I think the appropriate historical lesson to be drawn from the Jap-US conflict of WWII is Whether or not Israel should occupy Gaza and how such an occupation should be shaped. The way the US occupied and shaped post-war Japan is a possible blueprint for Israel should it win and decide to occupy. Although, the differences between imperial Japan and Islamic Palestinian arabs are significant. If any of that makes any sense.

Novichok
12 Nov 2023  #1116

why invasion of main Japanese islands wasn't wished for.

Passive tense? What kind of crap is that - in English or Polish?

Novichok
12 Nov 2023  #1117

Although, the differences between imperial Japan and Islamic Palestinian Arabs are significant. If any of that makes any sense.

Yes, it does. But there are similarities.

Both the Japs and Hamas were and are fanatics. Fanatics never surrender or see the evil in their ways. The only thing that works is overwhelming power combined with a staggering civilian loss. The US did just that. My only regret is that the US had only two and not much earlier. Killing civilians is how you win wars. It demoralizes the army and stops the flow of supplies.

The US was right to use the nukes in 1945 just as Israel is right in flushing fanatics from hospital basements in Gaza today. There is no other way.

Hey, Mr. G, is there anything in this post that is wrong, illogical, or unclear?

AntV
12 Nov 2023  #1118

Agreed-there are similarities as well as difference. Fanaticism being one.

Bratwurst Boy
12 Nov 2023  #1119

....and Japan wasn't supported by outside allies after Berlin fell.

Hamas on the other hand is bought and paid for by Teheran and Co....also the main manipulators are sitting wealthy and safely in Dubai and Doha.

Just nuking this special snake's head would be difficult!

AntV
12 Nov 2023  #1120

Good point, Beebs.

I hope and pray nuking isn't in the Israeli cards. That would be more damaging than helpful for Israel. Besides, they don't need to do such a thing.

Bratwurst Boy
12 Nov 2023  #1121

Agreed!

Nuking would be a point when I know the enemies are overwhelming me and I'm going to die but I want to take as many of you with me. When I have to die, you will die to! And afterwards nobody will be able to live in that holy land anymore! My revenge from the grave!

So yes, I hope and think the IDF is better than that and will show them again where the frog has the curls, as so often before.

Novichok
12 Nov 2023  #1122

I hope and pray nuking isn't in the Israeli cards.

I would never suggest THAT!
What Israel is doing is making Gaza uninhabitable and in the process driving a wedge between civilians and the Hamas terrorist wing.
That's the stick. The question is: Where is the carrot?
In Japan, after two sticks, the US made Japan a better place than it was before they went stupid in 1941.

jon357
12 Nov 2023  #1123

I hope and pray nuking isn't in the Israeli cards.

They have always implied that they would never carry out a first strike.

AntV
12 Nov 2023  #1124

@Bratwurst Boy

Exactly.

I would never suggest THAT!

Phew! I thought for a second you were, which isn't what I'd expect from you. You desire peace more than anything.

@jon357

Yeah, and I think it's a non-starter for the Israelis, unless they are put in the position BB described.

jon357
12 Nov 2023  #1125

a non-starter for the Israelis, unless

If it ever happens, the last place they'll drop on is there. Iran however is a less unlikely target.

AntV
12 Nov 2023  #1126

@jon357

Agreed!

Novichok
13 Nov 2023  #1127

Iran however is a less unlikely target.

Learn simple English.

Iran is a more likely target.

jon357
13 Nov 2023  #1128

Agreed!

Iran, after all, is the reason they have them and of course one of the main threats to world security in general.

simple

Yawn...

Novichok
13 Nov 2023  #1129

the main threats to world security in general.

Yes, genius, China, India, Japan, and Russia are shaking in their boots ... so scared. Oh, and Africa, Central America, North America, South America, Europe, and Australia. They all are on special meds ... trembling...

What a moron...

call1n
13 Nov 2023  #1130

Iran is going to come in. Are there is nothing anyone can do.

jon357
13 Nov 2023  #1131

there is nothing anyone can do.

I'd say that there is plenty, and that Israel have gamed all possible scenarios over decades.

Novichok
13 Nov 2023  #1132

Iran is going to come in.

Is this some new mental disorder? Saying something and nothing at the same time...

Bratwurst Boy
13 Nov 2023  #1133

Soldiers from the 1st "Golani" Brigade of the Israel Defense Force have Captured and raised the Israeli Flag in the Hamas Parliamentary Building in Gaza City.

twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1724136241317265544/photo/1

twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1724136241317265544

....so....where to next? :)

AntV
13 Nov 2023  #1134

@Bratwurst Boy

The tunnels, that's where the sh!t is going to get thick.

Novichok
13 Nov 2023  #1135

The tunnels, that's where the sh!t is going to get thick.

Pump gas.

jon357
14 Nov 2023  #1136

The tunnels

And that's where the feckers are keeping hostages.

call1n
14 Nov 2023  #1137

Is this some new mental disorder? Saying something and nothing at the same time...

Just the mental disorder that you think 6 million Jews died in the holocaust and I want to have a catholic burial and don't want my penis mutilated by Jewish urologist who want my temple and my body to support Zionist Israel.

jon357
14 Nov 2023  #1138

6 million Jews died in the holocaust

Do you think otherwise?

don't want my penis mutilated

Circumcision is indeed a useless and often harmful practice however it is not unique to any one faith.

I want to have a catholic burial

You'll get what you're given, unless you plan and pay for it. Not that it makes a difference either way.

Novichok
14 Nov 2023  #1139

Just the mental disorder that you think 6 million Jews died...

Iran is going to come in.

I am sure those two connect. I just don't know how.

AntV
14 Nov 2023  #1140

@jon357

Yes. Hence the sh!t gets really thick.

@call1n

You might be scandalized to know that there are many circumcised Catholics. In America it's common practice at birth to cut the foreskin.


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