75 Years of Israel and the War

.....I guess the notion of "innocents" doesn't work anymore with many people world wide who watched arab civilians partying and dancing around the broken bodies of murdered women....who held their kids up so that they could better see the crying, bleeding victims....even filmed with their smartphones as other spit at them and insulted them and laughed about their suffering.....

There is stuff shown at "X" that isn't even humanly anymore!

There was this news about a raped jewish girl who could flee and now did run along a street screaming for help...all bloody clothing...as another of these "innocents" caught her and brought her back to her torturers....

Might be lotsa people just stopped caring about what now happens to these "innocents"! They might only see "fair punishment"....

You must be the stupidest of the millennia. Israelis "occupied" more than today's territories for thousands of years.
Do you comprehend the meaning of Hamas's primary goal? They tell you thousands of times every day; you just have to listen,
FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA. This means there is no room for Israel in their ancient ancestral land.No room for 22 thousand sqr km in the 13 million sqr km of Arab land. I guess fixing stupid is next to impossible.

You are thinking like a woman.

You are emotional.

Think. Use logic and reason as your allies.

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If a women holds her child up to see a mutilated body, what should that tell you?

Should I explain to you, what a woman is, and what the relationship between a woman and her child means?

Something extraordinary must have happened, for we carry each in ourselves a common blueprint. People are the same - I truly believe this. To do what they did, they must have had reasons - however flawed.

I'll go further, and say something which is almost impossible to say in Russia... even then the thought occurred to me that the Chechens must have gone through horrors to be doing what they were doing.

It's easy to give in to emotions, but as a man I think you have to be able to see all sides and make a cold and calculated decision which takes you out of the conflict.

If Ukrainians and Russians persist in hating each other, only Maf and CMS Neuf win. Everybody else loses. That's why I try to open my eyes, even to unpleasant truths.

Hmm....okay.....independent of the massacres, that is a fight David (!) against Goliath, and with no other stake in the game I just want David to kick Goliaths balls....HARD!

Not to mention that all the leftists supporter of Hamas and the Arabs generally see Israel and the Jews as some kind of white Westerner, who needs to be destroyed just for being that....so another reason to stay by "our" kind!

@Bratwurst Boy

David is Gaza, right?


I think this is the main reason this subject gets you so excited.

...don't play dumb, Bobko....

To us, safe and comfortable in our secure homes... maybe not.
To the IDF? Hell yes!!! And that ratio of 20 is still low.
Hamas can stop this war in the next 30 minutes. Their end is non-negotiable.


My words from not long ago. Nothing else matters.


You slimy Polish pos...Enjoy the fact that BB is too nice to respond to your idiotic insults.

@Bratwurst Boy

I think you are playing dumb, by cheering the death of tens of thousands of people that are in essence prisoners.

If you were honest with yourself, with your conscience, you would say that no man should live in the type of conditions the Jews imposed on those Arabs living there.

It was a living, breathing, walking Warsaw Ghetto, but only in 2023.

I don't care about Hamas. I don't care about the Jews. Just the facts.

Of course not. I am with Rich on the ratio, which should be at least one thousand to one. Correction: I didn't see innocents among the stoneage criminals.

Idiots like you are the first to get killed in war. By their own side.

F*cking John Wayne wannabes.

A "Warsaw Ghetto" with elections and billions of support streaming in steadily....Israel pulled out totally and left them alone...they could had made something out of that...in peace....with all that money and sympathy.....and look what they did instead, THAT are the facts too!

The people in the Warsaw Ghetto never had that chance!

Educate yourself about this liberal market paradise you described.

No such thing existed. Their fishing boats can't even go out beyond 12KM, and they can't import aluminum and glass properly because they are classified as dual use goods.

Gaza was a fancy prison.

Zelensky complains every day about his blocked sea corridors. These poor motherf*ckers have never had any access to international shipping. Hello.

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Bobko, what should Israel do to make sure 10/7 will not ever happen again?

First a Ghetto, now a prison....with it's very own UN organization....alone Germany paid Billions for years into that bottomless pit! Every other community on Earth would be happy to get that kind of money, support and attention!

Well...probably, possibly, hopefully that ends soon....I can't imagine Israel going back out and leaving the same problem fester till the next massacres.

Ideally, go back to what they got, through the good grace of the big boys, back after the war.

Their little war with the Arabs has been nothing but a global pain in the ass, since. It sours relations with our Muslim population. Same in France. Pretty much any place with a lot of Muslims.

The whole world, does not center on their stupid self inflicted issues. They wanna re-enact Apartheid, they should do it within 1948 borders.

Otherwise, continue as they are, and get wiped out sooner or later - in one conflagration or another.

Because for the clever and agile guy, it's important to execute every move perfectly. While for the big stupid dummy, it's only necessary to do it right once.

That's all they ever wanted....to be left alone by these Arabs....in case you missed that, it have been the Arabs who kept shooting missiles at them and invading them to kill their civilians...

That Israel pulled out of Gaza and "got back to what they got" had brought them no peace but more barbaric killings!


Really Bobko? The muslims in Israel are quite happy there...Israel is the only modern country in that whole region....democracy, equality...the whole shebang....also a reason why Israel is supported by so many who know what that means, instead of the stoneage killers from Hamas, supported by countries who jail, torture and hang their women should they not hide as ordered under enough cloth!

Boohoo, poor European and American Jews that just wanted to be left alone by some feudal era Arabs.

Let's not forget that because you slaughtered them like in a sausage factory, your country alone felt obligated to send billions in aid and weaponry. Oh yeah, and France helped them develop a nuclear program and everybody sorta went along with it (Iran standing confused in the corner).

Let's not even discuss America.

Otherwise yes, poor Jews. How unfortunate.

What now Bobko? Did a hooknosed Jew steal all your money? Is that the underlying plain "truth"?

Well, have to leave now....till tomorrow

*takes helmet*

Gaza will become a place where good Palestinians can live in peace if Israel kills all Hamas and inflicts enough pain on the good ones for the good ones to sincerely hate Hamas and prevent it from reconstituting itself. It worked in Japan and Germany.

Or be permanently occupied by a power Israel will trust.

Very funny. So be it, let us call them Israelis.

The point I was trying to make, perhaps clumsily, is that they are basically Europeans and Americans. That is, people that were vastly more equipped to set up a modern state. Regardless of where it was, in Judaea or in Antarctica.

What's more, by writing "Jews" and not Israelis, I was again perhaps inartfully trying to draw attention to the fact that these were EXCEPTIONALLY qualified people in comparison to the Arabs living around them.

When these factors are taken into consideration, this supposed epic achievement of fighting off countless enemies seems much less impressive. This is coming from a Russian.

Oh yeah, also - nobody ever asked the Arabs if they were open to moving. Just a small little nitpick there.

Otherwise, thank you for accusing me of antisemitism. I thought we respected each other.

P.S. The Celts would also like to reclaim their ancestral lands, shamelessly occupied for two millennia by various German occupiers.

....well...you said I was a girl!

@Bratwurst Boy

Ok fine, we're even.

But in my defense - being an antisemite is almost as bad as being a girl.

...na gut....even! :)

But I really have to leave now....*runs*

Typical leftist femtwat uses "racist" and "nazi" so many times they have lost their true meanings. Hes like the Whoopi Goldberg of PF..Haha


Its as simple as that. Im glad to see who's side the leftists are on. They really are dumb as a box of rocks, especially the LBGQ******* idiots that support them. I wonder how long a blue haired freak would last in Gaza.

Not repeating the same steps that allowed for it to happen, by coincidence you think?


Look, you are the one who was whining about taxpayers' money wasted in Europe. When in fact that money is just peanuts if you compare it with the amount of tribute America sent to Israel for decades. Somehow you are all right with that. Not being left-wing doesn't ensure you are not being dimwit.

A CO to an IDF brigade: Guys, do not repeat the same steps that allowed for it to happen! Any questions?
IDF brigade: Sir! What is "it"?

Pulling all the security personnel despite intelligence warring about potential intrusion. Is that answer your question dimwit?

No, as*hole. My question is:

What is Israel supposed to do to prevent another rocket from Gaza and the next 10/7?

If your answer is: Be nice.

...shove it up yours...

I generally value your opinion, but I fail to understand what drives you to speak nonsense of biblical proportions. The Palestinians living in the West Bank

enjoy higher living standards than Palestinians living anywhere else. For the deplorable conditions of their lives, you should blame Palestinians and their adherence to the rigid interpretation of a stoneage belief. After a thousand years of the diaspora, Jews returned to their ancestral lands and made the barren desert bloom, voluntarily giving Gaza. Thousands of acres of greenhouses with intact irrigation systems, so what did the crazy nomads do? They destroyed

the gift from the Jewish people and turned the piping into killing machines, of course blaming the West, mainly America, for their starvation.
I know you are brighter than your arguments.

But not the useful idiots like you? So far, I have not used insults in our exchange of opinions, I have other tools in my vocabulary, and I am sure you do too.

Let us be civilized in disagreements.