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75 Years of Israel and the War



Bratwurst Boy
6 Jan 2024  #1951

...sometimes there just is no other option left, yes!

Przelotnyptak1
6 Jan 2024  #1952

[quote=Ironside]e West Bank and declare that such and such strip of land is to be a Palestinian state, and let them do whatever.

I propose Arab states open their hearts and express their love for Palestinian brothers by giving them what's theirs, the Sinai peninsula, which they own

and for all purposes is empty, instead grabbing part of biblical Israel

Przelotnyptak1
6 Jan 2024  #1953

The only ethnic cleansing Israel did was in 2005 when Gaza Jews were forcibly cleansed out of Ga

Your and my train of thought runs parallel. Almost posted an identical message, then read your post, thinking: OK Rich!

Ironside
6 Jan 2024  #1954

I must say I; am amazed as to the level the US citizens and as I understand it Americans are willing to fight the war of Israel. How invested they are with their body and soul.

I only hope that IF the time comes to defend Poland as a NATO country against Russian aggression they'll be supportive and invested at least in 1/3 of the support they show in the case of the Isreal.

pawian
6 Jan 2024  #1955

I must say I; am amazed as to the level the US citizens

They went to the dogs after you had spent 30 years as an immigrant in the US. hahahahaha They tried to achieve the same level as you to understand your antics better. In result. they are as dumb as you.

Or am I mistaken and one is Dumb and the other Dumber???? hahahaha

Bratwurst Boy
6 Jan 2024  #1956

But a better answer to THAT question of the region don't have the "smarties" either, don't they......

Only blaming Israel for not willing to roll over and to die! To make the way free for the "from the river to the sea" guys!

Novichok
6 Jan 2024  #1957

defend Poland as a NATO country against Russian aggression

So far, the only aggressor is NATO. See the 1990 vs 2024 NATO and Russia maps.
Russia didn't crawl up to NATO. NATO did to Russia. Yes, I know, ... to protect "freedom and democracy".

Przelotnyptak1
6 Jan 2024  #1958

My mother always countered; I don't remember drunk Jews slipping in the gutters, n

I am sorry for slipping on an otherwise solid word; of course, what I have been trying to say was sleeping.

Ironside
6 Jan 2024  #1959

So far, the only aggressor is NATO.

Are you calling the US an aggressor?

pawian
6 Jan 2024  #1960

Yes, he is. Always has. Were you born yesterday????

Bratwurst Boy
6 Jan 2024  #1961

Step by step, slowly but surely, the peace will come!

Israel reports complete destruction of Hamas structure in northern Gaza

spiegel.de/ausland/israel-meldet-vollstaendige-zerstoerung-der-hamas-struktur-im-norden-gazas-a-6e1dc41c-8f92-4867-b6b1-4a43a66798c0

"There are still terrorists, but they operate without a framework and without commanders": According to the Israeli army, Hamas is no longer able to organize itself in the northern Gaza Strip and can only shoot rockets sporadically.

pawian
6 Jan 2024  #1962

Let me confess that she saved many Jewish lives, mostly temporarily, during "LAPANKI"

Stop lying, feathered swine. :):):) Street lapankas started after Jews had perished in the Holocaust. You can feed such fake stories to you fellow dumb Ams, not Poles and Polesses here.

Miloslaw
6 Jan 2024  #1963

Street lapankas started after Jews had perished in the Holocaust

That is a blatant lie.That or you are an ignoramus.

Mr Grunwald
6 Jan 2024  #1964

@Miloslaw
He is probably unaware of the massacres of Poles pre-1941 and that Encampments with Jews were running production of war materials as long as possible right before a western ally or Soviet offensive unless failing in timing mass excecution of prisoners. So by logic he presents... There was only «łapanki" in last days of the war -.- *facepalm*

pawian
6 Jan 2024  #1965

logic

Exactly!!!! It is logic which is missing in your post. Let alone in mongrel`s post before yours.
Work on it.

PS. You are so fekking lucky that I have endless patience as an educator. Another guy or guyess would have dumped you long ago as worthless students.

Przelotnyptak1
7 Jan 2024  #1966

. Another guy or guyess would have dumped you long ago as worthless students.

Come back after finding a missing card from your incomplete deck, ignoramus.

Novichok
7 Jan 2024  #1967

Are you calling the US an aggressor?

Yes.
Ten aircraft carrier groups are useful only if a country is an aggressor against much weaker states like Iraq. The US was not attacked even once by another country after WW2.

In a conflict with China and Russia, only the subs and ICBMs are useful.

Novichok
7 Jan 2024  #1968

Since even the MICC cannot claim that it defends the US in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, the warmongers switched to defending "freedom and democracy" or "American interests" as their primary mission.

On that basis, they are entitled to go anywhere on the globe and beyond.

Novichok
8 Jan 2024  #1969

Every conversation between opposing sides should start with a test question to reveal if it is going to be a waste of time.

In this case, it's: Does Israel have a right to exist?

No? FU.

Novichok
10 Jan 2024  #1970

Why of the 200 countries out there only Israel is under the magnifying glass and has to account for every step it takes?
Did anyone urge the US and the allies to avoid civilian casualties in Vietnam?

Alien
10 Jan 2024  #1971

only Israel is under the magnifying glass

Because it's a Chosen Nation?

Bobko
10 Jan 2024  #1972

Why of the 200 countries out there only Israel is under the magnifying glass and has to account for every step it takes?

Because it is not independent.

Just like with Ukraine, the West has leverage over the Israeli government. Ukraine is not allowed to attack targets inside Russia, with Western weapons - otherwise it risks losing these transfers in the future. In the same way, if they ditch Netanyahu, he'll drown in his sea of Arabs.

Israel is dependent upon billions of dollars of American and EU aid. Its military industrial complex is closely interwoven with the American and European ones. It depends on the American veto in the Security Council, to avoid becoming an international pariah.

If the Jews paid for their own guns, and their own ammo, and could deal with the rest of the world without political cover from the West - then they could show everybody the middle finger.

As things stand, they are not independent... but dependent. This is why they have to listen to Jake Sullivan and Co.

As we say in Russia, who pays - selects the music.

Bobko
10 Jan 2024  #1973

I think the answer, Novichok, is that Israel's interests do not equal American interests.

Since Israel is in effect a military outpost, and a vassal of sorts, America has the final say over how the war develops.

For example, it is not in America's interest to fight Iran in a hot war. So they tell Netanyahu to not even think of a "preemptive" attack on Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon.

It's not in America's interest to become the enemy of the whole Islamic world, because the Israeli tail started wagging the dog.

Ironside
11 Jan 2024  #1974

Because it is not independent.

Is that not the Russian theory about big nations?

Mr Grunwald
11 Jan 2024  #1975

@Ironside
There several perspectives on how to look at independence at sovereignty. Russia tends towards a more Anarchistic approach of cutting of all possible ties in most possible sense when discussing sovereignty and freedom, not giving a damn about doing international or social "faux-pax" that other countries dread to even think about as not to be outside of the international good company of nations.

Which is why trade relations, unions and pacts are difficult with Russia, any Russian states that feels limited will cut of any chains of emotional, agreed or formal ties if necessary.

While a country like U.K will deliberate about the possible reactions of states like France, U.S.A, Iceland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and Sweden regarding any operation in the North Atlantic due to possible influence it would have on diplomatic relations, trade relations, domestic politics and others etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if a more simple and faster decision making is done in Russia. Basically any foreign policy with regard to reactions from statesmen's (not businessmen, not military men, not diplomats and not journalists) in U.S.A, China and potentially India or NATO as a whole. Which easily leads to ignoring Russia's smaller neighbours that have a much larger impact in a modern world then 200 years ago.

For instance Taiwan, nowadays is extremely vital due to certain type of production. Yet in 1800's would been insignificant due to it's too low population as taxation from a large population was more vital economically and militarily (allowing to have more military material and more men to arm for a military conflict)

Yet nowadays a large armed population can easily be killed (drones, bombs and machineguns) and demographics can change catastrophically over night, but also provide a risk of armed rebellion (numerous communist revolts at end of ww1, not only in Russia but, Germany and Hungary). Mercenaries recently in Russia and ex-veterans having enough of politicians (Italy, Poland and Germany as crown examples of this in interwar era, which is why many lump Poland as Fascist in those times)

Novichok
11 Jan 2024  #1976

As we say in Russia, who pays - selects the music.

I don't like analogies except my own.

Every library in the US has a no-guns-allowed sticker on the front door. OK, so who will protect my ass? Nobody. You are on your own. Not good.

Israel: Somebody has to protect us from the scumbags aka Hamas in Gaza. You, the world, or us? Not you? Then FO.

The fact that 6 million Israelis coerced 300 million Americans into being their protectors and benefactors is to their credit.

Or a testimony to American stupidity...One of these must be true.

Alien
11 Jan 2024  #1977

OK, so who will protect my ass? Nobody. You are on your own. Not good.

I thought that libraries in the USA borrowed books, not guns.

Novichok
11 Jan 2024  #1978

See Paulina if you want cute.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jan 2024  #1979

YESSS!

The Israeli Army has now taken full control of Gaza City and all of Northern Gaza.

twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1745367323253281182

Novichok
13 Jan 2024  #1980

Why did nobody object when Israel was ethnically cleansing Jews out of Gaza in 2005?

Are there two kinds of "cleansing"? One good, and one bad? What's the difference?


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