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75 Years of Israel and the War



Bratwurst Boy
4 Jan 2024  #1921

but entirely uninterested in anything that happened in Chapters 1-23.

Well.....maybe a lesson of history? After Auschwitz and Leningrad etc., the world wasn't very much interested about the Treaty of Versaille or the reason for the rise of the Nazis either. And understandably so....to fresh were the horrors and to deep the shock!

And the argument that no matter what happened, no injustice suffered can be ever a reasoning for such monstrosities, is still a valuable one!

Alien
4 Jan 2024  #1922

BB who wants a svastika on his forehead

No, it was SS (for those who don't know, these were also such Defense Forces).

Novichok
4 Jan 2024  #1923

has turned into a neo nazi ,islam loving moron.......

That's why I dropped the a-hole.

Novichok
5 Jan 2024  #1924

Quoting RT:

b] 'Israel is killing us without mercy': As the fighting in Gaza continues, civilians are starting to lose hope
Amid a humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in Palestine that no international organization can cope with, locals tell their stories of survival[/b]

Israel is showing as much mercy to Palestinians as they showed to Israelis on 10/7.

Ironside
5 Jan 2024  #1925

. how could Israelis be Nazis you fool?

Zionists can, as they stem from the same fascist movement in the 30s.
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As for most of you here commenting it is clear that you lost or never had a moral or ethical compass in your life. It is sad as you seem to be blowing this way or the other with the wind. Small wonder that Western civilizations have been taken over by some woke morons and you just go along with that like.

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So

Your racial hate of some group or religion doesn't solve the problem. Not all residents of the West Bank and Gaza are Beduin or originated from those tribes, not even most of them. At that point, as I have said they recognized Israel's right to have a state there, and in the same spirit one could reasonably expect Israel to give them some land to have their state, especially since the Western Bank is a land that originally belonged to Jordan.

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No mercy, no forgiveness...

What a primitive emotion born from fear and aggression typical for insecure specimens with low IQ.
To answer your question - nothing - as there are no events that repeat itself time and time again in the same way.
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Israeli Nazis.

Is that a nice dead end? For you commie idiots calling everyone who disagrees with you nazis, you have reached your limits and nobody cares and thinks you are a crazy fool with rabies. They are not wrong.

Przelotnyptak1
5 Jan 2024  #1926

Your racial hate of some group or religion doesn't solve the problem.

Iron, I am not trying to solve problems; I cannot transform myself back thousands of years and start at the beginning.
As for hate, I express in my outlook it is a form of self-defense. I am not a sheep who blindly goes to slaughter.

Ironside
5 Jan 2024  #1927

Iron, I am not trying to solve problems,

Oh I see, you are like a spectator in the Colosseum you see a color of your chosen team or a gladiator you like and you simply cheer it on. Cool, I can understand that. I hope you like your bread.

Przelotnyptak1
5 Jan 2024  #1928

That was brilliant, Novi...

I concur; brilliant minds are brilliant for a reason. Now work on discovering a form of transfusion of your brilliancy into the heads of the suicidal libs

Przelotnyptak1
5 Jan 2024  #1929

I hope you like your bread.
@ Ironside

Iron, I have no problem with you.
The problems we face are beyond my or your ability to fix, but I can look into the future and see how it is connected to the past.

Not so much hate, awareness of the facts, and longing for self-preservation.Discarding the rose-tinted glasses and seeing the world in its true
colors are an asset rather than a sin.

Ironside
5 Jan 2024  #1930

Iron, I have no problem with you.

I don't have a problem with you, I said I can understand your point of view. Not that I share it.
Simple in my opinion you are deluding yourself as to the fact that you are not a sheep. However, most people have their misconceptions, delusions, and self-serving lies and I'm not one to judge.

Nevertheless, I believe I'm right here even though it is not Poland's or Polish business at all.

Novichok
5 Jan 2024  #1931

I express in my outlook it is a form of self-defense. I am not a sheep who blindly goes to slaughter.

I said this very same thing at a discussion meeting to explain why I will never spend a Saturday evening in Chicago mingling with black thugs who murder at a rate 17 times higher than whites. In this context, racism is survival, I said. Three days later, I was told not to come again.

What a primitive emotion born from fear and aggression typical for insecure specimens with low IQ.

Poor Israelis...They still remember Auschwitz, Treblinka, and other such resorts with bad food and mean personnel...

Przelotnyptak1
5 Jan 2024  #1932

[quote=Ironside]At that point, as I have said they recognized Israel's right to have a state

At what point? Who are they? When did they recognize the Israeli right to exist? The truth is if you listen to the chant" from the river to the sea," which translates to the elimination of the Jewish state from the map.13 million square kilometers is not enough; they want the tiny 22 thousand square kilometers of Jewish land too.13 mil sqr km is not enough to absorb 3 million Gaza Palestinians. What is your suggested solution? And please don't start with some imaginary "they." As a matter of fact,

at one time, Israel agreed to 95% of Palestinian demand, which included the Palestinian state in the area of the West Bank. The only demand from Israel was to retain possession of the Jewish part of Jerusalem. Madmen that he was, Arafat rejected the idea. So maybe it is time to reconsider "they and recognize Israel's right to exist in their ancestral land. I am glad we agree.

Przelotnyptak1
5 Jan 2024  #1933

Nevertheless, I believe I'm right here even though it is not Poland's or Polish business at all.
@ Ironside

I am not advocating the Polish view at all, I am speaking from my heart

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Simple in my opinion you are deluding yourself as to the fact that you are not a sheep.

Wow, what can I say in reply, but a delusional, beeeee :::)))

Novichok
5 Jan 2024  #1934

What is your suggested solution?

I tried that approach. They never, ever answer beyond some idiotic one-liner or equally idiotic joke...

pawian
5 Jan 2024  #1935

joke...

Coz we have a sense of humour which can`t be contained!!! Simple!

Novichok
5 Jan 2024  #1936

Memo to the moral equivalency idiots here: Watch this and STFU.



pawian
5 Jan 2024  #1937

Watch this

I never watch vids by azholes, rightists, putinists, crazies, mongrels, wankers etc etc. Life is too short.

Ironside
6 Jan 2024  #1938

At what point? Who are they?

Perhaps the most direct and formal recognition appeared in the Rabin-Arafat Exchange of Letters of September 9, 1993, drafted during the secret Oslo talks that culminated in the first Oslo Accord, titled the "Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements" (commonly termed "Oslo 1").

In his letter to then-Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, Arafat stated, "The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security."

In response, Rabin affirmed that "Israel recognizes the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people."


What is your suggested solution?

My solution is simple since Israel holds all the keys here they should set borders for the West Bank and declare that such and such strip of land is to be a Palestinian state, and let them do whatever. If that will fail - no big deal. won't be worse than it is now. If that works - well... it is better for everyone.

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The policy of Israel right now is clear, ethnic cleansing of the Gaza strip, and sometime in the future the same awaits the West Bank, they have no intention whatsoever to go with the so-called two-state solution. They will be a long-term disaster and they will keep the US bogged down in the region forever or it will lead to a nuclear war.

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Wow, what can I say in reply, but a delusional, be:::)))

You don't have to agree on of course that is just my opinion. Is not even personal, you started talking about sheep, It is just an indication that your take is not an original thought but a reflection of certain biases prevalent in some countries, circles, and so on...

I'm pretty sure I am providing a clear and true view of the issue, in terms of ethical and solution-seeking resolution.

Novichok
6 Jan 2024  #1939

and declare that such and such strip of land is to be a Palestinian state

How does that prevent rockets and another 10/7?

pawian
6 Jan 2024  #1940

prevent rockets and another 10/7?

Exactly. The war run by Israeli Nazis now certainly won`t prevent rockets and other troubles.

Novichok
6 Jan 2024  #1941

The policy of Israel right now is clear, ethnic cleansing of the Gaza strip,

The only ethnic cleansing Israel did was in 2005 when Gaza Jews were forcibly cleansed out of Gaza and into Israel.
There is no ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza now - only cleaning out Hamas. This can stop in 10 minutes if Hamas decides to stop shooting at the IDF.

pawian
6 Jan 2024  #1942

There is no ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza now

You are trying to conjure reality but facts are relentless.

Novichok
6 Jan 2024  #1943

What should Israel do to prevent rockets and another 10/7?

pawian
6 Jan 2024  #1944

Give the currently occupied West Bank to Palestinians. Simple.

Novichok
6 Jan 2024  #1945

What should Israel do to prevent rockets and another 10/7?

pawian
6 Jan 2024  #1946

Give the currently occupied West Bank to Palestinians. Simple.

Przelotnyptak1
6 Jan 2024  #1947

[quote=Ironside]for the West Bank and declare that such and such strip of land is to be a Palestinian state, and let them do whatever. If that fails -

You know that it will fail. Israeli leaders are not suicidal; they are aware of the dangers that creating a much bigger and more potent "Gaza "would create

to their security. Unless, of course, you are deluding yourself that Palestinians and Arabs will become peaceful and Jews-loving in an instant, something that failed to materialize in thousands of years. Dream on, my friend, and I will stubbornly cling to the bleak reality.

[quote=Ironside]is not an original thought but a reflection of certain biases prevalent in some countries.

I will give you a source of my "bias." My saintly, wise mother. In not a friendly atmosphere toward Jews, opinions about the Jews were expressed.

My mother always countered; I don't remember drunk Jews slipping in the gutters, nor a Jew publicly assaulting his wife in the public square. And yes

she was aware of the Jews and a plague of "LICHWA" that ruined many poorest of the poor lives, which at the time was considered a shameful sin.

Let me confess that she saved many Jewish lives, mostly temporarily, during "LAPANKI" Anybody who passed the gate of her possession, was temporarly free but she tried her best. So there you go, my bias exposed.

Novichok
6 Jan 2024  #1948

they are aware of the dangers that creating a much bigger and more potent "Gaza "would create

With access to it to see what the bastards are planning next...

Again:
How does creating a Palestinian state guarantee no rockets and another 10/7?

Bratwurst Boy
6 Jan 2024  #1949

The question of the region:

How do you make peace with someone who swears to exterminate you?

As long as Hamas exists Israel lacks the partner for worthwhile negotiations...fact!
As long as Hamas is supported by a majority of Palestinians and paid for by backers in Teheran and elsewhere they have the means to follow that plan.

Not to mention that every Pali who speaks up for peace, for a treaty, will be in grave danger to be killed by their own people.

At this moment there is no peace possible....as there are no negotiations possible. It sounds grave but its a fact: Hamas has to go first!

Everything else will be only an armistice...till the next massacres!

That conflict doesn't end with Palis having some land, as long Hamas rules there, that happened in Gaza. That idea is dead now!

Novichok
6 Jan 2024  #1950

How do you make peace with someone who swears to exterminate you?

Kill him.


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