Why AfD is the most important party in Germany

*nods*

But as it is now such images will only gain more votes for the extremist parties across Europe. And they want a totally closed border...

I wonder when the moderates will accept that truth.

I will help for free.

There is a UN scheme (involving resettlement in Europe, mostly France, Germany, Spain and the UK). It's hard to get onto, however I'm helping someone right now who has a genuine case.

It's why I think there needs to be a sane compromise. A closed border, but one which also treats people humanely. If you get picked up at sea after coming from...I dunno, Nigeria, then there's a simple choice: accept that you'll be living in a detention camp with no prospect of ever being released, or go back home. If people know that there's no milk and honey waiting for them in Europe, and that life in a detention camp in summer in Greece is going to immensely suck, they're going to think twice.


That's exactly why there needs to be much more resources in general. The whole situation now where people wait months/years for a decision is utterly intolerable and unacceptable. Again - I have nothing against it, but the claim needs to be verified quickly and efficiently, not "come back in 12 months and btw, you can't work or do anything with yourself in the meantime".

@Bratwurst Boy

I dont want a totally closed border.

What we had was absolute madness and suicidal politics.

What we need is rationality. Asylum for those who really need it. Those who come illegal have no chance for asylum. Strict secure borders and no welfare for them, just housing and food in closed centers.

I don't think that would make much difference long-term.

It's hard to say really. On one hand, such a policy would certainly get back to those considering the journey, but then there's the problem of people simply believing rumours and gossip over actual truth. Apparently one major issue in Syria was that people were claiming all sorts of nonsense to relatives back home, such as that Germany was providing refugees with huge amounts of cash.

But of course, we also need to accept that funnelling cash into dodgy dictators pockets is also a no-win policy.

@jon357

It changes evrything and works.

Fact is, that the harsher methods already dropped migration on very big levels to almost zero. Installing the AfD system would put it down to zero. The australian model works.

Where there's a deficit of accurate information, cognitive dissonance runs free. Those inadequates from the 'afd' thrive on misinformation.

It's very similar, really. There's no difference to misinformation being spread within the AfD circles and within lower educated circles in the Islamic world, really.

There's a key difference. The neo-nazis act from malice and impotence. The desperate act from desperation.

We see in reality. In Australia before 2012 arrived 13.000 migrants per year.

Then the new law passed. No migrat was allowed on land. Those who made it were brought to Papua Newguinea in camps on island of Manus. Numbers dropepd down to 250 in 2013.

Same can be seen in Europe. As laws get harder and harder, less and less come.



In reality some even try to go back, because its getting harder for them.

A tiny number (and one that Oz can easily absorb).

Big mistake. They will lie and, in the meantime, you are stuck with them and their kids who need medical treatment, education, and money. After two years, even if proven liars, they are going nowhere. They are all yours.

Plus, they cannot legally claim the refugee status from a safe country like Bulgaria or Greece. Even the UN says so.

I can agree with all that!

I think most moderate could agree to that...why are they fighting?

@jon357

This tiny number felt on zero now since they stored them all in Papua Newguinea.

Australians dont want those obsoletes. We were in Australia last year. Our driver told us about all the scum.

P.s. Seeing them on their desperate jungle camp is amusing as well

What's fascinating is that they have such fantasies about power. It's easy to see how a strong leader could brainwash them, which in turn explains why they have such fetishes for people like Putin.

Of course, they should all be kept under close observation, because these will be the first people to betray their country.

Due to their inherent weakness


I'm sure that cranks like the 'afd' are watched closely.


Why do you use that odd expressuion? Do you not think that every human being is of equal worth?

No, i dont see evry people at same worth.

I see those as obsoletes. You could find other words but i think obsoletes is quite moderate.

For sure. The German BfV will be watching them closely, especially after the recent revelations that one of the MP's is almost certainly a Russian stooge.

What do you actually mean by that term?


I read that today. It's been known for a long time that Putin funds these fringe groups, however it will be hard for them to live this one down (and hopefully there'll be a treason charge).

No education, no value, no german language capability. Bound on welfare and parasitizing on german tax money.

They drag us down.

We cant function as welfare office for african excess population.

@delphiandomine

The BfV is a weak thing and can do nothing. It even was banned by law to call the AfD Prüffall and was forced to delete this.

The German state is a weak state. If you believe something like BfV will change anything, then you are naive. Do you think one person will not vote AfD because a paper tiger like BfV says so?

Time to educate, cherish their values, and encourage language proficiency; after all, they're the future.


Nutty fringe groups like the Russian-funded afd manage that already.

They have no future. They get integration lessons and german courses since 4 years. thousands of € invested...yet cant even say their name, street and age in German.

All indications show they end in eternal welfare. They cant work, they dont have the morals to do so.

Research shows they move into Ghettos where they people are, live on welfare and thats it. 2/3 of german welfare reciepients are migrants.

I wouldn't speak to soon...


You sure about that....

Yes i´m sure about that.

They are not used to have discipline. Standing up each day early. Follow work orders, perform on high tasks.

They get sleepy easily. come each day different or dont come at all.

The results of their integration are devestating. And thats a simple fact. When 2/3 of a nations welfare reciepients are migrants, you do something wrong. We can agree that?

The german system is incredible weak. There is no sanctions for them.

I ask you honestly...when a person goes 3 years to german class and cant say his name, age and adress in German...what worth has this integration system?

Wait until the imminent fasting season...

What about the future of THEIR home countries?

Of course the West profits from the brain drain and the cheap labour, but there is not much difference to the long gone slave trade of old, isn't there.

Only that the new slaves beg to come. But that will never better the situation at home, that is not a sustainable solution. In our countries it strengthens the extremist far right and their homes fall further into chaos and poverty.

Europe and the whole West provides the safe outlet for an ever growing desperation. Safe for the war lords and tribal chiefs there of course...they see the unhappy young men rather go than to turn around and fight for a better live at home.

So, tell me...where will it end?

I speak German at a low intermediate level, and I've never met a migrant in Germany with a worse level than me.

Desertification for some, huge future wealth from rare earth metals for others.


I sometimes speak with people from Africa at Hasenheide or Gorli and am always impressed by their English.