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Priority of Buildings signals what matters to a Nation - Germany



Slavictor
12 Feb 2019  #1

World's biggest intelligence headquarters opens in Berlin

The Stasi never left.

theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/08/worlds-biggest-intelligence-headquarters-opens-berlin-germany-bnd




  • Mousey Milkmaid Merkel in commie drag

Tacitus
12 Feb 2019  #2

Priority of Buildings signals what matters to a Nation

I guess Germany than really is the country of culture again.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbphilharmonie

TheOther
12 Feb 2019  #3

That's one cool building. Have you ever been there, Tacitus?

Tacitus
12 Feb 2019  #4

Not yet, but I'll be attending an performance this year.

johnny reb
5 Mar 2019  #5

Germany is in the process of building an empire to take over the E.U.
They have already sucked France into the scheme by giving Macron hopes of being the "strong man" leader of it.
He won't get the job however.
Germany needed France for their nuclear weapons to strengthen their military force to become a world's super power.
Germany is now getting involved with the eighth largest economy in the world, Brazil.
Once Germany gains this economic power along with nuclear power they will terrorize the world.
Poland will become a door mat to Germany again.

Bratwurst Boy
5 Mar 2019  #6

Germany is in the process of building an empire to take over the E.U.

Look at that:

Chubby rat managed to get stuck in drain cover in German town of Bensheim and was rescued by firefighters

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6748581/Fat-rat-got-wedged-manhole-cover-freed-nine-firefighters-Germany.html

German firefighters rescue a stuck rat instead of killing it...wouldn't that be a cute empire??? :)

johnny reb
5 Mar 2019  #7

I don't know but to get back on topic about Germany's new building signals what matters to a Nation.
This so called "World's biggest intelligence headquarters" is far from the cutting edge of intelligence compared to Israel and that may be one reason the United States makes Israel it's number one allie.

Israel has the best intelligence of any country in the world by far.

Lyzko
5 Mar 2019  #8

To this day, a number of formerly Nazi-era buildings still stand in Berlin, among them, the country's finance ministry.

johnny reb
5 Mar 2019  #9

Which further re enforces Germany's intentions of ruling the E.U.
German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz today welcomed French President Macron's vision for Europe, saying Germany would stand by France on reforms to ensure that Europe is capable of acting and that the euro is stable.

Macron ego is so big that he can't see the trees in the forest. (Politricks)
It's no wonder the French people want Macron gone just like the German people want Merkel gone.

Lyzko
5 Mar 2019  #10

French arrogance though positively PALES before German megalomania, apparently (quite) alive and well...and living in Bankfurt, whoopsidaisy, Mainhattan!

TheOther
5 Mar 2019  #11

If the Germans wanted nukes, they would build them in six months and put them on top of an Ariane.

To this day, a number of formerly Nazi-era buildings still stand in Berlin

And?

johnny reb
6 Mar 2019  #12

Will Europe attack America if they become an economic power with Germany being the head of the snake ?

Bratwurst Boy
6 Mar 2019  #13

Nah, we all are islamized pussies....go with the program!

Lyzko
6 Mar 2019  #14

Merely an observation, TheOther.

Ziemowit
6 Mar 2019  #15

The Palace of Culture stilll stands in Warsaw and and the Fernsehturm still stands in Berlin ...

TheOther
6 Mar 2019  #16

Will Europe attack America if they become an economic power

They are an economic power already with a GDP that's larger than the US's.

Tacitus
6 Mar 2019  #17

The Palace of Culture stilll stands in Warsaw and and the Fernsehturm still stands in Berlin ...

We have purged quite a lot of the remnants of both the Third Reich and the GDR (e.g. the Palace of the Republic, the Chancellory and so on). But tearing down perfectly serviceable buildings just to make a point seems like a waste of money to me (The Palace of the Republic was destroyed because it contained a lot of asbestos).

dolnoslask
6 Mar 2019  #18

have purged quite a lot of the remnants of

How about GDR commies?

Bratwurst Boy
6 Mar 2019  #19

Palace of the Republic

....and good riddance! :)

Tacitus
6 Mar 2019  #20

How about GDR commies?

Same. Most of the high-ranking commies were tried and sentenced for their responsibility for the deaths at the Berlin Wall and other crimes. The SED successor party (the Left Party) remains quite strong in East Germany, but there is little you can do about it if people still vote for them. Arguably the biggest problem was that it was impossible to purge all the SED sympathizers from the schools and other public facilities, which is probably one reason why the democratic conscious in East Germany is still underdeveloped.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Mar 2019  #21

I'm not sure why you can call it "underdeveloped" after the peaceful revolution which brought an undemocratic system to fall down.

What exactly have you Wessies ever done to fight for democracy? You were lucky to grew up in the western zones of occupation, you were gifted the democracy and all what it entails...you never once had to fight for it, the Ossies have.

Where is your arrogance coming from?

Tacitus
6 Mar 2019  #22

why you can call it "underdeveloped" after the peaceful revolution which brought an undemocratic system to fall down.

Well, election turnout is relatively low compared to West Germany, and roughly half of the population sympathize with 2 parties (AfD and Left Party) that have a questionable attitude towards democracy at best. Those are no indications for a mature democracy.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Mar 2019  #23

Or maybe many Ossies have a better bullshit detector and don't think they live in a democracy anymore, because they recognize similiarities like a "gleichgeschaltete Median...Journalist with "Haltung" etc....ever thought about that one?

And please, not playing by the rules of an elite is not necessary the same as "undemocratic"! Or maybe you feel threatened by the Oma with her rollator at the Pegida demonstration? A totally democratic process, after all...

Not at least it was Merkel-bootlicker Altmeier who stated officially that people should better stay at home and not vote than vote for the AfD...great, huh? What a democrat! "I don't like your opinion so I wish you would better shut up (and when you don't we make you)"

No...you can take your "The Ossis need to learn democracy" crap and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. The people in East Germany had been the ONLY Germans in history staging a successful and peaceful uprising against an undemocratic, opressing regime.

THE ONLY ONES EVER!!!

Lyzko
6 Mar 2019  #24

Neither "dictatorship" is preferable, neither a stifling leftist agenda nor a repressive, no-holds-barred right-wing program. Balance is the key here:-)

Bratwurst Boy
6 Mar 2019  #25

Well, after so many years of the Merkel+Mainstream Media Combo, the balance has been lost. The watcher didn't watch and guard anymore but cheered from the sidelines, objectivity and criticizm was supplanted with pro-government "Haltung".

It will need a good shock to the system to bring it back...the AfD might provide just that!

It is horrible, but please...who had let it come so far?

Lyzko
6 Mar 2019  #26

An excellent question, B.B.

Frankly, I don't feel any one person or party is to blame entirely. Merkel though has made oodles of embarrassing missteps, that's for sure. However, she alone isn't to blame for how things have spiraled out of control, this I must say!

Bratwurst Boy
6 Mar 2019  #27

I agree...alone, she couldn't had done anything.

In my totally personal opinion the CDU had made a deal with the devil (I'm of course totally generalizing here)....Merkel promised them the power to rule, the government, the victories in the voting booths and in turn the CDU had to change till the party was not recognizable anymore...the whole party system in Germany destroyed, leaving only a dark hole behind where once the CDU was, with millions of Germans now homeless and worse, voice less.

Cheered on all the wayby a in their majority left/green leaning media, which didn't do their job anymore, which put their political bias above everything....without all this support she would never had been in power for so long.

Now the bill for this deal is being written and the devil will demand his pounds of flesh in the coming years...the SPD has been sunk already, now the CDU will sink...and the void on the right will be filled by the AfD, which wants to play another game.

In hindsight historians will not be nice to Merkel and her sycophants!

Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't had been better in the long run if Merkel would had chosen the SPD to become a member of after the "Wende"....

delphiandomine
6 Mar 2019  #28

Arguably the biggest problem was that it was impossible to purge all the SED sympathizers from the schools and other public facilities

Not only that, but I think the overnight destruction of the DDR was a horrible mistake to make. I did quite a lot of research on the topic, including speaking to people in East Germany, and it's painfully obvious now that the West Germans didn't understand the attachment that people had to their state. To kill East Germany without putting it to a referendum was an awful idea - especially as the March 1990 election wasn't really fought on the issue of unification.

Had East Germany entered into economic and social union with West Germany as it did, but remained a partner to West Germany until the country had been stabilised (therefore preventing the abusive Treuhand practices and keeping the Treuhand under East German control), I think things might have been different. West Germany would have paid up to stabilise East Germany regardless, after all.

I'm definitely a firm believer that unification shouldn't have taken place until after elections in 1994 and until the East German people could decide without emotion. As it was, the process from around late April until October 3rd was like a runaway train.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Mar 2019  #29

To kill East Germany without putting it to a referendum was an awful idea - especially as the March 1990 election wasn't really fought

With whom did you speak?

As I remember it the motto was "If the D-Mark doesn't come to us we are going to her!"

West Germany would had needed to re-build the wall to keep the people from leaving...how on Earth would a GDR no matter the reforms be viable? You think East Germany today is depopulated? Imagine it would still be the GDR....

Who told you that a GDR would had have a chance of survival???

TheOther
6 Mar 2019  #30

unification shouldn't have taken place until after elections in 1994

If Kohl hadn't taken this golden opportunity, German reunification would've never happened. Too much opposition - first and foremost the Brits, French, Dutch and Poles. Only the Russians and Americans were on Germany's side at that time, remember?

Who told you that a GDR would had have a chance of survival?

They had none. Their economy wasn't able to compete with the west, and extremely high unemployment would've been the likely outcome. Followed by a mass exodus to West Germany.

West Germany would had needed to re-build the wall to keep the people from leaving

Exactly.


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