Why AfD is the most important party in Germany

My country does not need to be part of the European Union to know that I am in Europe.

Where do you stay jon, please remind me? Are you in Zanzibar? Do you live in Burundi, Botswana or Burkina Faso?

So basically nothing. 87% of German voters chose better parties.


Hahaha


I live in Warsaw and travel; it broadens your mind...

No need to, the "better parties" copy AfD style, close down muslim Kindergarten, stay silent now and let others do the dirty work at the boarders.

Yesterday polls came in about Saxony.

AfD is at 25%. CDU marginalized to 28% and SPD and Greene virtually dead.

What scares the CDU most is, that in all polls, AfD usually is 3-5% below the results it achieves then in election.

Which means AfD has chance to become strongest party in Saxony.

In my state Thüringen its same.

I´m so excited about the election result then. :D

As for travel, i too travel alot and it does broaden the mind. I saw what ********* countries are where no europeans are,.

Most extreme difference is in South America,.

Peru and Bolivia are *********, full of savages.

Chile has almost no non europeans. Almost all people there are european and you see it. The country is clean, modern and with high standards.

In Madagascar it was most extreme. They exist like savages there. As a european you feel like a god there.

Of course, such propaganda should always be sourced.

wahlrecht.de/umfragen/landtage/sachsen.htm

The actual polls show the CDU on 28%, AfD on 25%, Linke on 17%, SPD/Greens on 9%, FDP on 6%.

In other words, the AfD are nowhere near power.


Do stop telling lies. In fact, the AfD are in third place there: wahlrecht.de/umfragen/landtage/thueringen.htm

What effect does it create when a party that did not exist 6 years ago now is at 20 to 25%?

Explain please so i understand.

Does it lead to some change in politics or not?

If not, why is Merkel not the migrant loving ***** anymore, had to step back from party leadership and her own party members treat her like a paria.

You say AfD did not cause this, so tell me what caused all this?

Also explain me why Merkel has to battle in her own party against her interior minister who more and more copies AfD positions.

According to you AfD has zero influence on the political chaos we have in Germany now. So explain, what caused all this rift and change in politics.

Nor ever will be without a violent putsch. Which will not happen.


Ideologically there since your hero back in the 20s and 30s...

Stop connecting AfD with Hitler. AfD is, what CDU was 15 years ago under Kohl. Patriotic and conservative right.

The party most close to Hitler are the Greens. They follow his bizarre economic politics, his grotesque love for Islam. Alot of their program is 1:1 NSDAP program.

I see the duty of AfD to fight facism. To support Germany to fight green and leftist facism.

Same politics, same inadequate and paranoid creeps.


That is actually hilarious...

Show where AfD has political ideas as hitler.

Take a point from AfD program and show something similar in NSDAP program.

And prove this with scource.

Also show where Helmut Kohl was a Nazi.

As for Greens, they have same environment politics as Hitler. Thats a simple fact. Their origin is actually from Nazi leftovers.

jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/The-Nazi-roots-of-the-German-Greens-318973

en Party's legislative action to label Israeli products from the West Bank has cast a spotlight on the role that former Nazis played in creating the party.

Academic and journalistic research over the past five years shows the key role of Nazi figures in the party's founding and development.

Show where they doin't!

That's not how it works. A small minority can very easily control the outcomes when two major blocks are about even. The US, just as an example, is such a case.

In Germany we call them "Königsmacher". When a tie happens between two big blocs and a compromise can't be found only a few votes from a third party can sway the decision. Especially in a multi-party system. So this small party could in such a situation actually wield more power than the big parties.

Why, then, does Weimarer get s*** here for claiming this very same thing?

I doubt the AfD has any plans to invade Poland for once...quite the contrary, they might find the anti-immigration policies by polish PiS quite admirable, a possible ally.

Nor is there any talk about to fight the Jews or to re-claim once-german territories.

All this Hitler-Talk concerning the AfD gets lame...and it won't help in the long run either. After all Hitler had nothing against muslims or an alliance with muslims...

PS: Not to forget the general sympathy for Putin's Russia....no thoughts about war or invading there either.

@jon357

The AfD is a strong supporter of Israel.

The German Greens are an enemy of Israel.

While the Greens boycott Israel the AfD is te only party in the German Bundestag that stands 100% for Israel.

What now Jonny? A Hitler Party that votes for alliance with Israel and has a jewish group called "Jews for AfD2 running?

Meanwhile the Greens want boycott Israeli products.

But all that aside, while we chat here your beloved obsoletes are stuck in Libya and Mama Merkel turned her head away.

Where is the sad violin music?

The rule here is simple: when out of arguments, bring up Hitler or Katyn. Case closed.

Basic fact is, under Merkel, Germny drifted more and mroe towards facism. I dont say Hitlerism, i say facism.

Merkelism is the 21st century version of facism.

A pseudodemocracy, where all parties support an unquestioned leader. Merkel ruled without any oppossition. All her decissions were called "without alternative". Internal critics got silenced.

Merkel replaced most seats of important offices with her minions. The media did not critisize her. Infact they praised her. You could found almost no critical articles about her. Nothing got questioned. I´m not just talking about her miserable asylum politics.

Her idiotic "Energiewende" her failure to adress the absolute collapse of the military.

We did not get critical reports but what we got was interviews about her favorite soup, and how she shops in markets. There was an absolute uniform form of journalism towards her.

If you dont believe me, ask Bratwurst.

And AfD changed that. Thats what i´m proud for. The AfD crushed the crust that started to develop.

It's almost as if you half believe that!

Why should he justify and explain himself? you lefties never do apologize for Stalin, Mao and others? You don't make assurances they you are not like them ....

If you have some fact not feelings and opinions to support your baseless claims bring it on. If not don't talk rubbish.

He can't explain much very well. They don't want to; they just want to whinge and whine and make up for deficiencies of their miserable lives by extremist politics.


A false equivalence if ever there was one. Stupid, even by your standards.

Jon, all these illiberal democracies developing, be it Poland or Hungary or now Italy, have the support of a majority of their peoples. They have the elections to prove it. The won Brexit-referendum was a sure sign too. Even Trump could possible be gain a second term.

These people aren't all mad fascists or Hitler-worshipper!

To always bring Hitler or the Nazis as an argument is so useless..bring better ones!

Weimarer, it was a suffocating crust of political (media-supported) consent all over the country, I agree but please...fascism it was not! Not even a true dictatorship, most of this happened quite voluntarily....

We all should better start to discuss without all the time harking back to a time which won't happen again, it besmirches the true victims of this time.

Weimarer, I hear a lot from your posts this idea that Germany today has become a leftist instead of a right-wing "dictatorship"!
And you believe that garbage?

Admitted, the pendulum swung after the end of the war, starting in the early '60's, towards the far left in Germany, as well as throughout most of Europe at the time.

Surely though, even you can understand why!

@jon357

Miserable lives. You are an old fart living in Warsaw and fight for obsoletes, while i travel to Seychelles. With all due respect.

You are a clown.

The only reason you fight for obsoletes is because propably some african ***** is your only chance to get laid.

I guess HIV has already destroyed your brain.

I understand your desperation though. I guess your uga buga girl is stuck in some libyan camp.

Countenance!

Fascists are never happy by definition.


That makes all the difference!

@Bratwurst Boy

I dont know but it felt more and more like a dictatorship. Even now but an impotent one.

I cant say it in english properly but in the last years, Merkels rule felt like an endless stagnation. You actually can feel the excitement now, that all this starts to break up.

The AfD brought politics back to life.

@jon357
Oh i´m absolutley happy. My life goes good. In politics wer are sucessful. I see real change in politics and i have the feeling, that democracy really can change things for the better.

Oh and one thing, you should stop calling me facist. I´m clearly not.

An impotent dictatorship isn't one!

In that moment when you are scared to say what you think, when you have to fear snitches within your family, friends, collegues, when you have to fear a knocking in the night from the secret service because of a post you have written in some political forum the day before, THEN you will know you are landed in a dictatorship.

Germany is alot of things, but you are able to rant, to criticize loudly, to even vote for a party of your choice....that this party even exists and sits in the Bundestag is a sure sign that we are still living in a free, democratic country.

And yes, the AfD brought politics back to life! :)

And yes, Merkel is a strong argument for a term limit for chancellorships! (I like the two times of the US)

Really? Your ideology or if you want to call a philosophy or political perspective is based on Marxism ideology. Marxism ideology has been a basis for Communism i.e. Mao Stalin and Nazism and fascism i.e. Hitler Mussolini.

So it is really YOU who should explain himself not some people you call 'far right'. Anyone with any knowledge knows very well that the Nazis were left not right. If you want pretend that it was not so or if you deny it or somehow dismiss it to propagate a false narrative here you can but that makes you look foolish.

Yes really.


That is one of the daftest things ever to appear here. Even from you.

Jon, did you ever read the 25 point party program of the NSDAP?

You could be surprised...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

Especially the points 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, and 21

If that isn't socialist then what is? And it's in their name after all...