Let's debate American Politics

I will have to agree with you Mark, he sounds just like one of those democratic liberal millenial street protesters.
I still support Trump but have lost all faith in the Congress and Senate.
Trump is slowly draining the swamp and I personally hope he fires them all.
Especially lying McCain who for SEVEN YEARS said that obama care should be repealed and what does the lying ass hole do today but voted the deciding vote not to repeal it. I am so glad he will soon be gone.

If the Dems can put together some good candidates for 2018 I think the Republicans are in for some serious trouble.


Why do they have to drop out to get a job ?
I worked at a full time job while I attended high school and my university and am still working in my retirement even though I don't have to.

The government has made these losers slaves to the government by handicapping them with free handouts and welfare in return for votes is the problem.

America is going on the forth generation of this now.
With people refusing to work there is no tax base for welfare, no one to support social security, no one to financially support America.
The free money is running out as the losers are crying for more.
This is what Trump is trying to change and since he took office there are now less people on food stamps than before he took office.

Illegal border crossings are down by 78% since he took office.
Give the man a chance.

Because (as far as I know) they will only be counted towards the labor force participation numbers once they have a full time job. High schoolers can't and retired people certainly shouldn't need to work. Leaves us with college students. How many of them are able to finish their studies in time when they are forced to slave away in a night shift job? I know you can both study and work at the same time (did it myself), but it is really hard and it takes away jobs that are much more needed for other, less fortunate folks.


And with massive tax breaks for corporations, there would be even less...


He looks like Agent Smith from the "Matrix" movie. Creepy.

Why can't they ?
In high school I worked five hours after school five days a week for 25 hours and then 8 hours on Saturday & 8 hours on Sunday for another 16 hours to make my 41 hours a week for a full time job.

In college I scheduled my classes on Tuesdays & Thursdays with a couple of night classes.
That gave me Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday to work ten hours a day for my 40 hours.
Now in retirement I have a side job that I enjoy along with my day trading.


Damn right it was hard but I wasn't born with a silver spoon and I wanted to be independent which I always have been.

I have NEVER collected any kind of welfare in my life.
The "less fortunate" are slaves to the government welfare and won't work because they would lose their welfare benefits which pay more then any job that they are qualified to do.


So you agree that Corporate America supports the losers since over half of Americans pay no taxes at all unless you count cigarettes, booze and lotto ticket taxes.

That's the beauty of America my friend, if you want it, you have the opportunity to get it.
Nobody said it would be easy though.

I was referring to a fulltime job which is a prerequisite to be included in the labor participation rate. As far as I understand it, part time jobs don't count.


Not necessarily. Think of highschool dropouts, people less gifted when it comes to job skills, folks with larger families that have to work two or three jobs to make ends meet. They want to work, they actually do work - but they are still dependent on help from the government. Welfare queens are not the norm, but the exception.


What I'm saying is that a corporate tax cut is like burning money that is desperately needed elsewhere (for infrastructure projects for example). Trickle down doesn't work because companies will not invest in jobs unless there is an increased demand for their products. Where should that come from all of a sudden? Tax cuts are only good for the quarterly result and the bonus of the CEO.

"I have NEVER collected any kind of welfare in my life"

Didn't you tell us about your social security welfare checks not so long ago?

Yes he did. But you can't expect Jimmy to be consistent, one minute he's boasting about his millions and then next he's telling us that Trump can't have cut welfare payments because the cheques he gets are still for the same amount.

So was I.


Then these people should be reward with welfare help because they are trying to do the best they can.
In fact those are the ones that deserve help.
Social Security taxes are being taken out of every paycheck so when they reach retirement age they will have built up a nest egg that the government returns to them in a monthly payment for the rest of their lives.

Able bodies that pay NO taxes of any kind including Social Security Taxes yet sit with their noses in the public trough.
It's those that keep making bad choices after bad choices because of the welfare mentality of four generations as a way of life.
And the government encourages that to control it's people and to get votes.
The United States Government has criminalized INDEPENDENCE in every and anyway that they can to control the people.


Not all true as companies are always looking at ways to increase their profits by being competitive in varies ways.
Take the automotive industry for example, every year they come up with new idea's in what to do to make their product more enticing then the next guys to make their product in demand over the next guys.

Now I will agree that any tax cuts should require a GUARENTEED flow back into the economy which many of the big corporations have not done.

Some take these tax cut profits and shuttle the money to some off shore account in the name of greed.
That is what screws up the trickle down effect.

Will never for the life of me understand how a war hero like McCain, a person of intelligence and character, could have silently withstood the slings and arrows of outrageous Trumpness, to have the unmitigated audacity to accuse McCain of being "a loser" because he was unfortunate enough to have been captured and imprisoned!! Methinks like our Tweeter-in-Chief's projecting a little.

What scum the Donald is.

Well, he is a hero. Thanks for your service and all that! However i wouldn't overdo it with a person of intelligence. He is clearly a political idiot. Which is kind of a complement if you think about 'Washington swamp'.

Social Security is not a welfare program...... Dip$hit! LOL


Yes, Sir!

"The Maverick" has been a horrible Senator for Arizona and is a poster child for term limits. His run for presidency was a joke as well.


And they can sleep all day, hang out and drink all night and commit crimes.

Percent of welfare recipients who are black 39.6 % 26,884,000

They've been conditioned not to work by the Democrats, this has been happening for decades, Obama made it worse!

Regarding welfare recipients, please don't let's allow a few bad apples to ruin the entire batch:-) Same for anyone who collects unemployment. Forty-million of 'em out there can't all be moochers. Just wait and curtail your pride a little; through no fault of your own, you too might some day be among that lot.

Trump has made the need for pull, connections and black-market bribery more necessary then ever! Jobs through skill and pluck alone???! Not any more.
Just fall flat on your butt and then you'll see how it is by the time you've reached bottom.

People who collect unemployment pay into this program just like Social Security. It has nothing to do with welfare.

Stop distorting the facts! Lyzko

Who's distorting? I was merely conflating, not distorting. There's a difference.

Yes, but they don't create new jobs first and then implement new ideas. They make changes using their existing staff, and only if demand picks up will they hire additional people. Simple cost benefit analysis.

And usually only very minor changes.

Is there anything that you are not an authority on jon ?

Very little

The question of the week....
Will Trump pull the trigger on N. Korea or Iran first ?

Hey, that crazy chink is threatening to Nuke Chicago. I don't know about you, but when someone is threatening me or my family.......

If I lived in South Korea I would be going on an International vacation about right now.
If I lived in North Korea I would be digging a very deep hole to crawl into about right now.

I suspect the military will very sensibly advise him never to push the nuclear button first, and relieve him of office if he ever tries.


The situation there is unlikely to improve any time soon. China will probably emerge as the ccool head here.

@delphiandomine

Yes ur right..much is simply wasted... Somethings are just mind boggling numbers. For example a simple park bench w table costs 10k.. Or at least that's what the park district in this city claims.

Also some salaries are way out of proportion. For example a nurse at the Illinois jail rakes in 250k a year. The manager of an impound lot makes 144k. Illinois spends roughly 10 billion on just salaries for q few thousand ppl. The teachers union is by far the largest expense at around 3 bil a year. A state uni admin makes 250 300 to even 400k and I'm just talking about admins not the president of the uni or the dean etc. Small village managers all make around 250k 200k. Police abuse it too from high ranking ppl to beat officers they bill overtime and oftentimes their overtime pay is way more than their regular salary. Speaking of which Delphi u should teach here ud make around 100k in the suburbs no b.s. you could work here a few years, save up, and return to Poland and live like a king.

@TheOther
I've referred to a specific chart the bls puts out. It shows the reasons ppl give for not being in the work force. The largest group of people by far were those who weren't looking for a job and didn't want to work. Other categories included early retirement, disability, school or training, taking care of family - all good reasons for not being in the work force. Although i know many people are on disability for bogus reasons. For example I knew a neighbpr who purposely attempted suicide so he could collect disability despite being totally able bodied.

@Lyzko
The FDR years are loooong gone. Perhaps his policies were appropriate atm - idk I was neither alive nor did I research this topic in detail. Nonetheless, us culture, economics, and even the world at large have significantly changed since then. We didn't have the enormous deficits, low labor force participation rates, and a huge trade imbalance. Keep in mind though that unions are now a terrible burden to taxpayers and corporations alike. One of the several reasons why the us auto industry tanked is bc you have people with a high school or GED level education demanding $30 an hour for pressing a button for 8 hours. I could train a German shepherd to do some of the jobs people were getting pilskdnm

And as far as the teachers union? Its an utter travesty. They constantly demand more money despite already having excellent salaries and will shut down schools and refuse to teach students till they get their way. Meanwhile the students suffer because they just sit at home till the teachers are done with their hissy fit. We spend 14k USD per student here and already low graduation rates keep declining. Unless you go to one of 3 high schools in the city chances are you will be severely unprepared for college. Also it's nearly impossible to fire a union teacher even if they do totally unprofessional things like say drink on the job or verbally abuse students. They just get transferred around. The teachers union vigorously fights charter schools bc they dont like the competition and the fact that charter schools spend half the amount per student than teachers union schools and have basically 99% grad rates and 90% plus go on to college or a trade. Furthermore bad teachers can be fired. This totally unheard of at public schools...

Watch stossel - he has a great episode on the teachers unions. If you go on YouTube and type in stossel teachers union I'm sure you'll find it.

In s. Korea and Japan there are instructions what to do in case of a n. Korean attack. The only way that Kim would attack would be if the us attacked first. He wouldn't hit the us esp not the mainland but he would def attack Seoul. He's just a big baby w a temper tantrum showing off his toys. Why trump is so obsessed w Kim is beyond me. Yet he's playing right into Kim's hand. He ought to look at the precedent and realize that the Kim family has always made these empty threats. They're n9t stupid though they know that the us would utterly obliterate n Korea if they attacked the us

@jon357

Kim doesn't want to end up like gaddafi or Hussein that's why he will never give up his nukes. Gaddafi said the worst decision of his life was to trust the Americans. He gave up his nukes and not a full 10 years later he ended up being sodomized w a bayonet w the help of the us, cia and a huge backstab from France despite the fact that gaddafi gave millions to the then presidents (Sarkozy??) reelection campaign only to be totally backstabbed. Thanks a lot now Libya is a warlord fiefdom and traffickers paradise. His demise helped spark this enormous migrant crisis. When he was alive he held back the hundreds of thousands of Africans that wanted to migrate to Europe. He explained this in detail at the un yet people laughed at him... Except for perhaps the Italians who understood what gaddafi was saying is true. Now Europe suffers w a deluge of African economic migrants sleeping on side walks and parks, leaving trails of trash wherever they go, killing europeans, demanding money and housing but not to keen on working for it, bringing in diseases like scabies, raping women claiming they can't control themselves bc the woman wasnt covering her hair hence its her fault she was raped and countless other problems. Now the eu wants Poland to accept these people when we had nothing to do with gaddafis downfall. This is neither good for Europe of the Africans that are migrating over. Now finally France is going to set up facilities in Libya to help guard the coast, process real refugees fleeing war, and preventing human trafficking. Ita about Dan time - why didn't these geniuses do this 2 3 years ago or even station troops there after gaddafi was killed

China is the key to not going to war.

They dont seem like they are very eager to help stop this situation either. I hope they change their minds soon!


I think Trump won't hesitate to use the military if Noko keeps provoking us or our allies.

All those Russian investigations won't be such a big deal anymore after he drop a nuke on Pyongyang.

Oh, I guarantee you he would love to push that little red button. Second US president who used nukes - would secure him a place in the history books and distract nicely from all the crap that's going on in his administration. He's just waiting for one wrong move of the North Koreans to start a war.

And as the New Deal fades ever faster, kindly don't wonder why we read such unthinkable acts in the paper such as a 50-something high school teacher masturbating in front of teenage girls etc., kindly refrain your shock at a kindly, single, middle-aged, Casper Milktoast-like white male suddenly swinging a machete at random innocents for "no apparent reason", and please keep silent about vicious rants over the Internet, usually by men who should know better

etc...

It's going to get a lot worse under this bloke in the White House, believe me.

Motto???! EVERONE'S GOT A BREAKING POINT.

This is a very good thing as the industrial revolution is long gone which outdates it.
We have discussed this a hundred times now with the conclusion that you are in denial of this so no need to rehash it again.


Trump will never use nukes first.
He has more then enough fire power to silence pajama boy without using nukes.
Now if pajama boy lobs one on one of our allies........ Trump will turn N. Korea (or anybody else who does) into glass.


Our last president was a limp wristed pansie waste with balls the size of grapes.
Well Mark, it's the new dawn and we now have one with balls so big he needs a wheel borrow to haul them around in for the next seven years so please quit your crying about it as you have become beyond annoying with your dissatisfaction over crooked Hillary's loss.


Just wait until Trump goes after Crooked Hillary and Loretta Lynch......now that is going to be a MAJOR distraction and make Trump look like a boy scout.

...and we'll discuss it a thousand times,ifI that's what it takes, why when you rob a people of the solidarity with their own which once was so abundant, you remove that sorely needed backbone upon which any society necessarily must rest.

Deprive one of such, and you have what you see now. No such outcroppings of errant violence against people occurred during the height of the New Deal Era.

Our President needs an edit button.

Does threatening us and shooting missiles at our direction constitute a wrong move? Don't you live in California? Then you're on chubby`s target list also.


They've been planning an Noko invasion for years. We've been hoping the Chinese would help but they have alternative motives and cant be trusted.

The reunification of the Korean peninsula will be the best outcome, much to Chinas dismay, they had their chance.

Trump is getting tired of China`s two faced sided games!


There is actual evidence against them, not like the fake news the left pumps out.

I still crack up about when Liar Bill Clinton said "we were just talking about our children" when he met Lynch on the tarmac...lol

The North Koreans might be barking, but they would never be so stupid to attack the US directly unless they are attacked by us first. The "wrong move" will most likely depend on Trump's understanding of "wrong". One missile test too many, Kim Jong-un farting ... you name it.


They tried that already.